Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 11/17-11/18/14 In recess

[bznbear]

I totally agree. This is the bias I spoke of. I don't know how much she truly believes, but she is being PAID to twist things up. She looks like a decent person which makes me believe she will concede some things to JM. I don't think she is going to commit professional suicide like ALV did. I may be totally wrong. Maybe I am hoping too much that common decency will prevail and be triumphant over all that is sordid and twisted in this trial that is CMJA.

I hope you're right. It would be a refreshing change to what we've seen so far. :seeya:

 

[TartLemon]

Easy enough to discredit this psych witness since she's never spoken to anyone who actually knew Travis for more than a few months. Everything the diagnosis is based on is information given to her by psycho who deemed him worthy to be butchered.

 

[Nosey Parker]

If any of you have ever had a Worker's Comp claim, the Defense sends you to their experts for an evaluation. Their experts are being paid to find some reason to say you can work, even when you were crawling into their office in pain.

I don't see much difference here with Dr. Fonseca. She is being paid to look at voluminous amounts of material to frame the relationship between TA and CMJA with a bias for the Defendant. She is being paid to find some mitigators for CMJA and that obviously means victimizing TA.

I have faith that JM will show the other side of the story. He speaks for Travis and the truth as we see it. I can't bash the witness for doing her job. Do I think some of what she is saying is misguided? Yes. But she is doing her job. So is Nurmi. I have a feeling she will concede certain points to JM, unlike ALV, who was too busy being right. JMV IMO

I wish I could agree with you, Zuri. You are obviously a very compassionate person, but I'm afraid I'm just an old cynic when it comes to defence expert witnesses.

I do agree Nurmi is just doing his job. It's my understanding he was appointed to this case (although I sometimes suspect his whining about being removed might be simply a backdrop to the ineffective counsel appeal).

As for Dr. Fonseca - this is not her 'job'. She has a full-time practice as a therapist. She, and her like, choose to serve as expert witnesses, as a very nice source of extra income. Their purpose is made clear to them at the get-go. In this case, it's to show the victim in as bad a light as she can, from the material she is given. She deserves the upcoming spanking from Juan.

All just :moo:

 

[AZlawyer]

AZLawyer, I believe the last JM motion that we had prior to today was his Motion for Sanctions, it was dated the 16th. The Motion to Strike, dated on the 18th is a new one I think. Wish these filings were labeled as to the party filing them. Also, have been meaning to ask if anyone knows what those code numbers indicate?

OK, looking at a tiny version of the docket on my phone I do think the Motion to Strike is new. Juan's motion was titled "Motion for Sanctions" but was really a Motion to Strike, so I thought that was his...but counting the motions on the docket there does seem to be one extra.

As for the codes, there is a code number before each minute entry that tells you which form the judge used to create the minute entry, a code for which defendant the document concerns (always "001" in this case), and in theory a code for the filing party which would be awfully helpful but the clerks seem to use it only on random occasions.

 

[bznbear]

I wish I could agree with you, Zuri. You are obviously a very compassionate person, but I'm afraid I'm just an old cynic when it comes to defence expert witnesses.

I do agree Nurmi is just doing his job. It's my understanding he was appointed to this case (although I sometimes suspect his whining about being removed might be simply a backdrop to the ineffective counsel appeal).

As for Dr. Fonseca - this is not her 'job'. She has a full-time practice as a therapist. She, and her like, choose to serve as expert witnesses, as a very nice source of extra income. Their purpose is made clear to them at the get-go. In this case, it's to show the victim in as bad a light as she can, from the material she is given. She deserves the upcoming spanking from Juan.

All just :moo:

I have to agree, Nosey. I don't have much faith in this witness. She knows/works with ALV and Geffner, and that makes me quite suspect of her character and credentials.
BRBM - I first read that as she and her ilk, lol!

 

[Nosey Parker]

I have to agree, Nosey. I don't have much faith in this witness. She knows/works with ALV and Geffner, and that makes me quite suspect of her character and credentials.
BRBM - I first read that as she and her ilk, lol!

Oh! That's a much better word. LOL

 

[elementary]

I think Nurmi should have definitely read the jury better as far as this witness goes. She seems totally disconnected from today's societal norms. I'm no spring chicken by a long shot, and I find her thinking terribly antiquated, especially in terms of her profession.

I don't think it's antiquated. She's proffering outright lies. No self-respecting mental health professional does what she does. Her real profession is paid liar with some fancy sounding letters after her name.

 

[ShadyLady]

Has this been posted before? JA and Lisa Schilling phone call:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xWv_ebKxgs&feature=youtu.be

Is Jodi on speed or something??? She talks a mile a minute. Can more calls come out? And Maria, ugh, knee deep in working as Jodi's personal assistant.

"bi-laws"...."trusts"??? Wow.

 

[elementary]

I totally agree. This is the bias I spoke of. I don't know how much she truly believes, but she is being PAID to twist things up. She looks like a decent person which makes me believe she will concede some things to JM. I don't think she is going to commit professional suicide like ALV did. I may be totally wrong. Maybe I am hoping too much that common decency will prevail and be triumphant over all that is sordid and twisted in this trial that is CMJA.

With respect, I disagree. She is paid to distort reality, and to lie, and to destroy the life and legacy of a truly decent and heinously murdered victim (and in front of his grieving family). This isn't the mark of a decent person. It is the mark of a mercenary, a gun for hire, a paid liar in sheeps' clothing. Have we set the bar so low that everything can now be rationalised as merely 'doing their job' (especially because they are 'professionals')?

 

[bznbear]

I don't think it's antiquated. She's proffering outright lies. No self-respecting mental health professional does what she does. Her real profession is paid liar with some fancy sounding letters after her name.

I agree about mental health care professional. No self-respecting one tries to do damage to another person's character. They're supposed to help heal. And if she is lying, they are very poor lies. By antiquated, I mean saying no one texts late at night, the personal grooming, etc. Those ideas are so out of date. And she totes doesn't "get" texting and other SM, imo.

ETA: I wonder how much actual counseling she does, and if she's really just a paid consultant or speaker. One would think she'd stay more abreast of current trends. After all her expertise is "sex", yes? She doesn't seem to be aware of today's sexual social mores. jmho

 

[steelman]

Thank you! I am so glad to see you post this. Finally! It is unbelievable that anyone thinks JA is running the show and telling her defense team what to do. I know she wants to! But all this sleaze, slime, trickery, vulgarity is all on Nurmi. He is the lowest of the low, right there with Baez. He says he and Wilmott will be scrutinized for years to come. No. They will be forgotten, like the gum on your shoe that you toss away. I cannot stand what this man is doing to Travis and for those of you who didn't watch the guilt trial, he did it then too and enjoyed himself. This is all on him. He can turn down the dial any day he wants to.

:yeahthat: :yeahthat: :yeahthat: :goodpost:

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

Totes agree KCL, it seems as if the court system has gone out of it's way to protect the rights of defendants. Hey I am all for a fair trial, BUT there has to be something done about the way defense attorneys are able to basically present "evidence" based on pure conjecture, or worse the heresay of the defendant. It just makes me get so darn frustrated, angry and despondent. We have the power to change things, now we just have to figure out HOW TO DO IT! Okay I will step off of my soap box now:blushing:

And they should not be able to knowing lie in opening or closing statements either like Baez did in the CA trial with no repercussions. It truly is disgusting what defense attorneys can "get away with" in order to have a so called "fair trial" for the defendant. Fair would be being able to bring anything like prior actions of a defendant in since they are basically doing the same thing to the victim that cannot defend himself any longer.

 

[Zuri]

With respect, I disagree. She is paid to distort reality, and to lie, and to destroy the life and legacy of a truly decent and heinously murdered victim (and in front of his grieving family). This isn't the mark of a decent person. It is the mark of a mercenary, a gun for hire, a paid liar in sheeps' clothing. Have we set the bar so low that everything can now be rationalised as merely 'doing their job' (especially because they are 'professionals')?

I guess I try to rationalize as it makes it less painful for me. I am trying to take the emotion out of it and look at this more from that viewpoint. I also am trying to see this from a juror's viewpoint as they have not heard the other evidence.

I am not "setting the bar so low". I am trying to see this from another viewpoint. At times, I think we pile on people because they dare to have a different POV.

 

[elementary]

I agree about mental health care professional. No self-respecting one tries to do damage to another person's character. They're supposed to help heal. And if she is lying, they are very poor lies. By antiquated, I mean saying no one texts late at night, the personal grooming, etc. Those ideas are so out of date. And she totes doesn't "get" texting and other SM, imo.

ETA: I wonder how much actual counseling she does, and if she's really just a paid consultant or speaker. One would think she'd stay more abreast of current trends. After all her expertise is "sex", yes? She doesn't seem to be aware of today's sexual social mores. jmho

IMO, she pulled that out of her you-know-what. Totally arbitrary. There are no stats to that effect. It has nothing to do with antiquated thinking. It's merely her attempt to shape the perverted narrative.

 

[Zuri]

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[bznbear]

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You are truly a wonderful person! Thank you!!!!!

 

[atthelake]

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[bsk]

If any of you have ever had a Worker's Comp claim, the Defense sends you to their experts for an evaluation. Their experts are being paid to find some reason to say you can work, even when you were crawling into their office in pain.

I don't see much difference here with Dr. Fonseca. She is being paid to look at voluminous amounts of material to frame the relationship between TA and CMJA with a bias for the Defendant. She is being paid to find some mitigators for CMJA and that obviously means victimizing TA.

I have faith that JM will show the other side of the story. He speaks for Travis and the truth as we see it. I can't bash the witness for doing her job. Do I think some of what she is saying is misguided? Yes. But she is doing her job. So is Nurmi. I have a feeling she will concede certain points to JM, unlike ALV, who was too busy being right. JMV IMO

I think it's a little different when it comes to expert witnesses. I believe they are supposed to be unbiased and just presenting their opinions in their area of expertise. It came across loud and clear when ALV and Samuels were crossed that they had a certain pre-determined outcome they were trying to "force" regardless of the facts. That makes their whole testimony a waste to me. We'll see what happens with this witness when Juan sinks his teeth into her. So far it sounds like more of the same as ALV, twisting everything in a certain direction by (for example) ignoring obvious context. If she is as contentious under cross as ALV, that should tell the jury a lot as to whether she is offering expert opinions or biased, bought-off, scripted "opinions".

 

[Nosey Parker]

Is Jodi on speed or something??? She talks a mile a minute. Can more calls come out? And Maria, ugh, knee deep in working as Jodi's personal assistant.

"bi-laws"...."trusts"??? Wow.

Unbelievable! This weird and evil creature, caught slaughtering an innocent human being; caught in wicked and devious lies; and facing the possibility of a death sentence, is loving every minute of being the CEO of her own corporation, controlling and manoeuvring her lackeys! I really don't know what to label her. Devil incarnate comes to mind.

 

[elementary]

I guess I try to rationalize as it makes it less painful for me. I am trying to take the emotion out of it and look at this more from that viewpoint. I also am trying to see this from a juror's viewpoint as they have not heard the other evidence.

I am not "setting the bar so low". I am trying to see this from another viewpoint. At times, I think we pile on people because they dare to have a different POV.

I think that people like her and Nurmi want us to buy what they're selling, including this extremely utilitarian view of relationships and community. IMO, everything can't be reduced to moral equivalence. This is not about emotion. Some POV's are unethical and wrong. Look what this way of thinking has done to the court system and to victims.

Yes, I so agree, it is painful to watch and to listen to this tripe. I think as long as one is a decent human being, it will always be that way.