Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Day 17

[NashBridges2]

For some odd reason I can no longer reply with quote, keeps telling me my subject line is too short. Logged out, then back in. Still wonky. Damn iPad.

 

[rose222]

I agree it's a mistake to bring in a new prolonged fog like this. The jury will not buy that. No wonder she didn't want is to hear this. Who is going to believe she lost two whole years of abuse but remembered everything before and after that? And how would she even know it happened if she was in a fog? It's just a convenient thing to explain why she never brought this up before. "I must have forgot it happened."

Juan on Arias' fog/memory issues

“Whatever you told us in the past is somewhat suspect because your memory may be lacking, right?”

"Ma`am, do you have -- I mean, you have a lot of memory for a lot of events involving sexual instances with Mr. Alexander. Yet you seem to be having problems with your memory here today. And you`ve also alluded to a little bit that you have problems with your memory. Is this a long-standing thing, that you`ve had problems with your memory, or is this just something that happened recently?"

"So you can tell us, for example, what kind of coffee you bought at Starbucks back on June 3rd of 2008, but you can`t tell us what you said yesterday or the day before?"

"And you can tell us, for example, what type of sex you had with Mr. Alexander many years ago, but you`re having trouble telling us what you said a couple of days ago?"

“This fog is not so deep that it stops you from attempting to fabricate evidence, right,”

I think we can expect Juan to address her memory issues most brilliantly during closing. The jury is going to love it. :juanettes:

 

[daisydomino]

I agree it's a mistake to bring in a new prolonged fog like this. The jury will not buy that. No wonder she didn't want us to hear this. Who is going to believe she lost two whole years of abuse but remembered everything before and after that? And how would she even know it happened if she was in a fog? It's just a convenient thing to explain why she never brought this up before. "I must have forgot it happened."

I hope she testified long enough to give the jury a sense of how many ridiculous minor details she can remember. They can be asked to not consider her testimony, if the judge has to strike it. But the way she compulsively embellishes her lies kind of sticks with you.

ARIAS: It depends on the type of memory issue.

MARTINEZ: You say that you have memory problems, but it depends on the circumstance, right?

ARIAS: That`s right.

(from CNN transcript)
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[MeeBee]

Juan on Arias' fog/memory issues

“Whatever you told us in the past is somewhat suspect because your memory may be lacking, right?”

"Ma`am, do you have -- I mean, you have a lot of memory for a lot of events involving sexual instances with Mr. Alexander. Yet you seem to be having problems with your memory here today. And you`ve also alluded to a little bit that you have problems with your memory. Is this a long-standing thing, that you`ve had problems with your memory, or is this just something that happened recently?"

"So you can tell us, for example, what kind of coffee you bought at Starbucks back on June 3rd of 2008, but you can`t tell us what you said yesterday or the day before?"

"And you can tell us, for example, what type of sex you had with Mr. Alexander many years ago, but you`re having trouble telling us what you said a couple of days ago?"

“This fog is not so deep that it stops you from attempting to fabricate evidence, right,”

I think we can expect Juan to address her memory issues most brilliantly during closing. The jury is going to love it. :juanettes:

"And your memory problem, is this of recent vintage?"

Agree. It'll be quite easy for Juan to attack this nonsense.

 

[NashBridges2]

Dec 15 @WildAboutTrial Dr. Geffner is expected to be on the stand this entire week. Direct should take about 2 days. #JodiArias

Please let this be right. There's no way he needs 2 more days on direct.

 

[daisydomino]

There is a part of the COA opinion that came out yesterday that I think should give some of those who are worrying about this judge some comfort. She is highly aware of Jodi's and this defense's manipulations and she really is just ruling from a place of caution. She knew it was BS but worried a future appeals court might see it differently. I think that should ease some minds that the judge is in the defense back pocket. She's no fool. She sees it all and then some. She just doesn't want Jodi to ever have a chance of getting her sentence overturned if she gets the death penalty. And she has the friggin patience of a saint. I'm sure she's just as over it as anyone else is. And I don't think any of this will help her if the decisions does go to the judge.

Yes! ITA! I hope that if this ever ends, we'll look back at her caution and be grateful for it.

 

[decemberbee45]

Morning all. TIA to all those wonderful Twitter posters!

 

[MeeBee]

Yes! ITA! I hope that if this ever ends, we'll look back at her caution and be grateful for it.

I'm sure in 10, 20, 30, 40 years and Jodi is still on DR or executed or at least still in prison, people will a lot more appreciative of her efforts.

 

[hindsight2020]

The13thJurorMD - Jodi Arias Retrial: A Juror’s Perspective, DAY 17
“BOULDER OF EVIDENCE”

https://www.facebook.com/paul.sanders.921025/posts/868931086485625

 

[Hope4More]

There is a part of the COA opinion that came out yesterday that I think should give some of those who are worrying about this judge some comfort. She is highly aware of Jodi's and this defense's manipulations and she really is just ruling from a place of caution. She knew it was BS but worried a future appeals court might see it differently. I think that should ease some minds that the judge is in the defense back pocket. She's no fool. She sees it all and then some. She just doesn't want Jodi to ever have a chance of getting her sentence overturned if she gets the death penalty. And she has the friggin patience of a saint. I'm sure she's just as over it as anyone else is. And I don't think any of this will help her if the decisions does go to the judge.

I agree. I also think the COA sent JSS a message with and within their opinion. They patted her on the back for getting it right the first time- when she opted to send media to the overflow room, and they "told her" they understood she ruled based on her genuine concern for the verdict.

That said, they also let her her know that she didn't need to exercise such extreme caution about the DT's ability to put on an adequate mitigation case. I thought it was pretty telling they believe both sides could basically play videos from the first trial and that would suffice.

 

[Kensie]

Good Morning All. At work again. I am not sure I can take Dr. G today - my nerves are shot. I just don't understand how these experts can pass judgment on
Travis when the input comes from the killer's mouth or the killer's journal. To me a journal is not facts. You can say anything in a journal. I just don't understand all this jibber jabber based on non factual data.

Today may be rough.

 

[mck16]

What exactly is this jury deciding? Death?, LWOP?, or DWP.

And if they can't decide and it goes to the judge, what are her choices?

I am getting so confused so I want just the facts here as far as choices. TY

 

[Nore]

MeeBee, didn't the Judge say two days for each side? I may have read it wrong , been sick not all in one piece. :LOL:

 

[Hope4More]

From yesterday's closed thread. I freely admit this is petty, but I confess it's satisfying to imagine her locked up with no exit, helpless to prevent those plastic from slowly deflating....:shame:.

 

[bznbear]

I agree it's a mistake to bring in a new prolonged fog like this. The jury will not buy that. No wonder she didn't want us to hear this. Who is going to believe she lost two whole years of abuse but remembered everything before and after that? And how would she even know it happened if she was in a fog? It's just a convenient thing to explain why she never brought this up before. "I must have forgot it happened."

I would have to discount all of her testimony if I were a juror based on the number of lies JM has proven. And her numerous accounts of fog, physical assaults by knife and/or choking are too incredible to be taken seriously, as are the DT witnesses. They proffer excuses without evidence, make claims of abuse without substance, and blame Travis.

There is no corroborating evidence against Travis or the killer's parents she ever led an abused existence, save the May 26 texts and a sibling's account of a wooden spoon and threats. Where are the eye-witnesses, police reports, photos, doctor/ER visits? Schools were also very aware of abuse at that time, and teachers were on the lookout for signs.

I'd love to know why JA was kept back in 1st grade as well. I can't help but think there may have been some emotional issues involved.

 

[mydirtysecret]

First, the irony is not lost that JSS saw jurisprudence in cmja being unable to fully mitigate for life due to "death threats" in her death penalty sentencing retrial. Not lost at all

Secondly, I have now noted if I'm ever in trouble first and foremost lawyer up, and then feign the fog at every avenue where evidence just doesn't look good for me. Noted.

 

[ShadyLady]

Juan on Arias' fog/memory issues

“Whatever you told us in the past is somewhat suspect because your memory may be lacking, right?”

"Ma`am, do you have -- I mean, you have a lot of memory for a lot of events involving sexual instances with Mr. Alexander. Yet you seem to be having problems with your memory here today. And you`ve also alluded to a little bit that you have problems with your memory. Is this a long-standing thing, that you`ve had problems with your memory, or is this just something that happened recently?"

"So you can tell us, for example, what kind of coffee you bought at Starbucks back on June 3rd of 2008, but you can`t tell us what you said yesterday or the day before?"

"And you can tell us, for example, what type of sex you had with Mr. Alexander many years ago, but you`re having trouble telling us what you said a couple of days ago?"

“This fog is not so deep that it stops you from attempting to fabricate evidence, right,”

I think we can expect Juan to address her memory issues most brilliantly during closing. The jury is going to love it. :juanettes:

Arias even battled with Juan over her lack of memory being an "issue" much less a "problem".

She has a VERY HARD time acknowledging ANY kind of criticism. Overly "sensitive" and "thin-skinned".

What mental diagnosis comes with those characteristics? Anyone know?

 

[MeeBee]

MeeBee, didn't the Judge say two days for each side? I may have read it wrong , been sick not all in one piece. :LOL:

I really hope so.

 

[rose222]

What exactly is this jury deciding? Death?, LWOP?, or DWP.

And if they can't decide and it goes to the judge, what are her choices?

I am getting so confused so I want just the facts here as far as choices. TY

The jury decides whether to sentence Arias to life or death...that's it. If they choose life then the Judge decides whether that will be 'natural life' (LWOP) or life with the possibility of parole (or the equivalent in Arizona). If there is a hung jury then again the Judge decides what sort of life sentence Arias will serve.

 

[Mindmatters]

I think, unsurprisingly, the DT is making a big mistake by bringing on another lost in the fog/suggestions of child abuse from 12 to 14 tale, and the destroy Travis again strategy.

Weaving a whole tale of mental problems IMO would be far more compelling. The extreme defiance she demonstrated to her parents, culminating in dropping out of high school and moving in with a drug addicted boyfriend, the paranoia towards her parents she demonstrated after being caught growing pot on the roof, the succession of menial waitressing jobs she only held for a few months at a time, the hopping from boyfriend to boyfriend, the extreme anxiety she demonstrated in those relationships of being abandoned.

Then, Darryl as an exception. Daryl , a father figure. His life , a house , a child, was all a life she did not have to work for or create. That his extreme controlling behavior made her feel safe for a time because she didn't have to assume responsibility for herself. He didn't want her to be autonomous. That suited until her need for drama and to fulfil her more grandiose dreams trumped a suburban life.

Enter Travis. Take it from there. But....she would never allow such a mitigation case, because of her Achilles heel....her obsession with controlling how others view her. She murdered Travis to prevent him from revealing the truth about her, and now she's willing to risk the DP for the same reason.


I think the jury would find the truth more mitigating.

Good Morning Hope. Just wanted to say I always look forward to your posts, they are just so concise, factual and enlightening. And while I have no qualms about Juan's ability to right the wrongs the DT has heaped upon the jury, I think he could benefit from reading what you have to offer in terms of impacting the average juror.