Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Day 19 - Shortest Court Day, EVER

[Luvrosco]

I am so frustrated with this case! I just don't understand how this is allowed to keep happening.

 

[LambChop]

BBM: :shush: I have an idea, but it's super secret ... :hilarious:

Seriously, I have thought of a few possibilities as to why JSS is giving the defense everything they want on a silver platter ... NO proof, so it would be pure speculation.

JMO but this is NOT about appeals any more, and it is NOT about the judge dotting her I's and crossing her T's. It has gone beyond that !

- It makes NO sense to close a courtroom -- especially for a murderer found Guilty of 1st Degree Pre-Meditated Murder to have a private audience.

- It makes NO sense NOT to sanction the defense for repeated delays and repeated shenanigans.

- JSS has NO compassion for the jurors' time and jobs, etc.

- JSS has absolutely ZERO compassion for the Alexander Family.

It's obvious, IMO.

JMSSO

Maybe the judge is trying to make sure there are no grounds for appeal because she agrees JA should never be set free again. Yes, I'm ducking.....:tomato:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Maybe the judge is trying to make sure there are no grounds for appeal because she agrees JA should never be set free again.

Yes, I'm ducking.....:tomato:

:seeya: LOL !


BBM: While this has been mentioned before, I firmly believe the answer is NO.

- IF that were the case, JSS would have been much more considerate of the jurors time and personal schedules, work/family.

- IF that were the case, JSS would have been much more considerate of the Alexander Family.

- IF that were the case, JSS would NOT be conducting the majority of this trial in secret -- it would be out in the open for all to see.


JSS KNOWS that delays and losing jurors can cause a mistrial !

 

[netbrsr]

You're quite the optimist this AM, aren't you? :loveyou: I think we should have a pool going whereby we all pick a date we think this trial will end.

I want 1/31/2015. Is this like the price is right, closest without going over?

 

[lisette]

We should use the full maiden name instead of just the initial: Sue Doe Nimh.

:happydance: Some of you WSers should write for comedy shows! This is hilarious!!!

Does anybody seriously think that the jurors are not looking to find out what's going on? It would be very hard not to with all these delays and drama.

 

[LambChop]

:seeya: LOL !


BBM: While this has been mentioned before, I firmly believe the answer is NO.

- IF that were the case, JSS would have been much more considerate of the jurors time and personal schedules, work/family.

- IF that were the case, JSS would have been much more considerate of the Alexander Family.

- IF that were the case, JSS would NOT be conducting the majority of this trial in secret -- it would be out in the open for all to see.


JSS KNOWS that delays and losing jurors can cause a mistrial !

But JSS does have a supervisor she has to answer to. It could be there is a lot going on behind the scenes that we are not aware of. I certainly hope one of the Alexander's writes a book about their experiences with this trial. It would be a best seller, for sure.

 

[LambChop]

:happydance: Some of you WSers should write for comedy shows! This is hilarious!!!

Does anybody seriously think that the jurors are not looking to find out what's going on? It would be very hard not to with all these delays and drama.

I do think the judge gives them an explanation (not details) about what is going on so they won't try and find out. Such as: "We have some court business to take care of and you will not be needed back here until Wednesday...." jmo

 

[Love Never Fails]

BBM: :shush: I have an idea, but it's super secret ... :hilarious:

Seriously, I have thought of a few possibilities as to why JSS is giving the defense everything they want on a silver platter ... NO proof, so it would be pure speculation.

JMO but this is NOT about appeals any more, and it is NOT about the judge dotting her I's and crossing her T's. It has gone beyond that !

- It makes NO sense to close a courtroom -- especially for a murderer found Guilty of 1st Degree Pre-Meditated Murder to have a private audience.

- It makes NO sense NOT to sanction the defense for repeated delays and repeated shenanigans.

- JSS has NO compassion for the jurors' time and jobs, etc.

- JSS has absolutely ZERO compassion for the Alexander Family.

It's obvious, IMO.

JMSSO

MOO...JSS has something against JM. And she will throw the case, cause a mistrial, just to get to him.

 

[Love Never Fails]

But JSS does have a supervisor she has to answer to. It could be there is a lot going on behind the scenes that we are not aware of. I certainly hope one of the Alexander's writes a book about their experiences with this trial. It would be a best seller, for sure.

IIRC, AZL said JSS doesn't answer to anyone. She was elected by the people. I would Like to hear from AZL if I am wrong.

 

[TartLemon]

JA ain't going anywhere outside legal custody. EVER! I think it's just frustrating because I want the gavel to fall and make it OFFICIAL.

The AZ courts are just as backed up as everywhere else. The attorneys and Judge are busy elsewhere when not under our watchful gaze. I don't know what's taking so long, but I'm quite sure it's not something that's going to change the FACT JA is guilty of first degree murder. She ain't going anywhere but back to her cell. JA looks like s^^t. I couldn't be more delighted.

 

[Hope4More]

Maybe the judge is trying to make sure there are no grounds for appeal because she agrees JA should never be set free again. Yes, I'm ducking.....:tomato:

I agree. I think JSS has dug herself a deep enough hole that she doesn't know how to climb back out.

The closed courtroom error is close to playing out, because and only because it was taken out of her hands by media going over her head to the Appeals Court. Soon enough Nurmi will get slapped down by the SC and that will be that.

Not so the computer morass. I think she's mortally afraid of the verdict being tossed, and so has allowed the DT extraordinary latitude. The DT has taken that latitude and used it to tie her up in knots.

Every related State motion filed makes clear JM anticipated that the is coming in. IMO, the HD wars aren't about whether or not to allow testimony related to . Still less are they about misconduct by either the State or the DT during this penalty trial.

I think the wars are about the limits of what will be admissible. Nurmi wants Geffner to testify that Travis had a years long obsession with , and that he viewed thousands of sites, including those suggestive of child .

JM wants to limit what can be introduced, and to undermine the credibility of the DT's "expert" testimony on the issue of whether or not Travis actually sought out (versus the files being
generated by virus/malware redirects).

The DT has obviously dragged the HD process out by playing shell games of every variety, and by filing so many motions. JSS opened the door , though, by allowing the sanctions against State hearings to become a side trial unto itself relating to all computer issues, past trial and present.

She not only opened that door, but took the door off by its hinges. The only way forward that she sees, it would seem, is to allow the DT to go where it will until there isn't anywhere left to go.

 

[Hope4More]

Yes, something is seriously wrong with this Judge. It is as if she is doing all she can to make sure a mistrial is the end result. But why?

I don't believe that at all.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I agree. I think JSS has dug herself a deep enough hole that she doesn't know how to climb back out.

The closed courtroom error is close to playing out, because and only because it was taken out of her hands by media going over her head to the Appeals Court. Soon enough Nurmi will get slapped down by the SC and that will be that.

Not so the computer morass. I think she's mortally afraid of the verdict being tossed, and so has allowed the DT extraordinary latitude. The DT has taken that latitude and used it to tie her up in knots.

Every related State motion filed makes clear that JM has anticipated that the is coming in. IMO, the HD wars aren't about whether or not to allow testimony related to . Still less are they about misconduct by either the State or the DT during this penalty trial.

I think the wars are about the limits of what will be admissible. Nurmi wants Geffner to testify that Travis had a years long obsession with , and that he viewed thousands of sites, including those suggestive of child .

JM wants to limit what can be introduced, and to undermine the credibility of the DT's "expert" testimony on the issue of whether or not Travis actually sought out (versus the files being
generated by virus/malware redirects).

The DT has obviously dragged the HD process out by playing shell games of every variety, and by filing so many motions. JSS opened the door , though, by allowing the sanctions against State hearings to become a side trial unto itself relating to all computer issues, past trial and present.

She not only opened that door, but took the door off by its hinges. The only way forward that she sees, it would seem, is to allow the DT to go where it will until there isn't anywhere left to go.

But WHY? I still want to know why. Are you saying JSS allowed all this to happen all because she was afraid of being overturned by a court of appeals? It doesn't make sense to me that she would do that.

 

[lewcch3]

:seeya: LOL !


BBM: While this has been mentioned before, I firmly believe the answer is NO.

- IF that were the case, JSS would have been much more considerate of the jurors time and personal schedules, work/family.

- IF that were the case, JSS would have been much more considerate of the Alexander Family.

- IF that were the case, JSS would NOT be conducting the majority of this trial in secret -- it would be out in the open for all to see.


JSS KNOWS that delays and losing jurors can cause a mistrial !

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the initial premise for JSS to grant secret JA testiphony had to do with her (JA) not voluntarily waiving her right to not present mitigation testimony. This was considered even after JSS offered to send the media and public to the overflow room.

Did I/am I missing something?

 

[Marshmallow]

But JSS does have a supervisor she has to answer to. It could be there is a lot going on behind the scenes that we are not aware of. I certainly hope one of the Alexander's writes a book about their experiences with this trial. It would be a best seller, for sure.

but this whole trial is going on behind the scenes so who will ever know.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

MOO...JSS has something against JM. And she will throw the case, cause a mistrial, just to get to him.

:seeya: Hi CII ! Yep ... I totally agree !

And not only does JSS have something against JM, so does KN and JW :gaah:

Oh, forgot one: the killer :gaah:

 

[Nosey Parker]

:seeya: Just finished reading the SC Petition. I've no problem with defence lawyers defending their clients to the best of their ability, and going off into the weeds in an effort to do so. I do have a problem with dishonesty from officers of the court. While I assume not legally accountable, Willmott's claims in this document are morally reprehensible to me. Through innuendo, omission, and exaggeration, she paints false pictures to a Supreme Court. In particular is her description of Juan's one episode of signing a walking cane as a circus-like atmosphere with the prosecutor signing autographs outside the courtroom. We all remember how that came about and her version is a deliberate and gross misrepresentation of the event.

There's an old saying in England - "A lawyer is as honest as his client."

 

[Nali87]

Maybe the judge is trying to make sure there are no grounds for appeal because she agrees JA should never be set free again. Yes, I'm ducking.....:tomato:

I agree Lambchop. But she's gone too far. In the COA ruling they remark something along the lines that they understood what JSS was trying to accomplish but that she just went too far. JSS seems very aware of JA's manipulative ways (she said as much) but she was also "afraid" that not allowing the secrecy would mean that JA hadn't voluntarily given up her right to testify. I think the COA agreed with that somewhat but said "hey sending everyone to the viewing room would've been enough". JA's "fears" don't qualify for anything more than that.

Anyways JSS has good intentions.
But the road to hell is paved with qood intentions.

 

[Hope4More]

I'm willing to bet that the State would have decided against a penalty phase retrial if JSS had dithered and deferred this much during the original trial.

I'm sympathetic to the Alexanders for what they're going through. I genuinely can't begin to imagine their pain and frustration. That said, this retrial has convinced me AZ should reconsider allowing penalty phase retrials in DP cases.

The reality is, the State of AZ isn't going to execute JA, no matter what. The legal process is being turned inside out and upside down, all due to the faulty premise that a life is at stake. Hers isn't.

All that's at issue is what kind of cell she will occupy at Perryville for the rest of her life. Really. That's it.

Is that issue really worth squandering enormous court resources and putting the lives of jurors and the victim's family on hold for endless months? And, meanwhile, allowing a remorseless sociopathic murderer to further traumatize survivors /slander the victim himself?

IMO....no.

 

[Nali87]

:seeya: Just finished reading the SC Petition. I've no problem with defence lawyers defending their clients to the best of their ability, and going off into the weeds in an effort to do so. I do have a problem with dishonesty from officers of the court. While I assume not legally accountable, Willmott's claims in this document are morally reprehensible to me. Through innuendo, omission, and exaggeration, she paints false pictures to a Supreme Court. In particular is her description of Juan's one episode of signing a walking cane as a circus-like atmosphere with the prosecutor signing autographs outside the courtroom. We all remember how that came about and her version is a deliberate and gross misrepresentation of the event.

There's an old saying in England - "A lawyer is as honest as his client."

She disgusts me. Plain and simple.