Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Day 19 - Shortest Court Day, EVER

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  • #781
I'm not quite clear on why this judge doesn't order Nurmi to continue with Geffner. I mean I get what Nurmi is trying to do (stall until 🤬🤬🤬🤬 ruling) but seriously.
 
  • #782
1. A few months ago someone on here mentioned that if this jury can't come to a decision (LWOP/DP), then JSS decides between the two (LWOP/DP). Is that correct? Can you imagine what JSS really knows about this case?!? She knows all of the 'secret' stuff, sidebars, dead pets, all the goodies WS'ers have found, etc... CMJA will never see the light of day if JSS gets to decide CMJA's fate.

2. Isn't all this computer back-and-forth tied up in a motion with a Prosecutorial Misconduct allegation? We keep focusing on the 🤬🤬🤬🤬 motion (and delays therefrom), but if it clears the State of prosecutorial misconduct (a possible appeal option), we should welcome a thorough review, right?

1. No, if the jury can't decide between life or death--or if the jury decides "life"--JSS will decide between LWOP and LWP. Since AZ has no parole procedure anymore, LWP would be an insane choice.

2. Yes, the computer 🤬🤬🤬🤬 issue thus far has been raised only in the context of the prosecutorial misconduct motion. However, JM's recent motion to preclude a witness seemed to suggest that Sue Doe Nimh ("Pseudonym") was actually planning to testify in the trial, in front of the jury.
 
  • #783
The lenght of this trial is only a moment compared to the time ja will spend in solititude at perryville.
Calm down folks

I guess when a loved one has been shot in the head, stabbed over and over and over and almost decapitated, calmness is hard to achieve. Then, on top of that horror, the killer has the judge wrapped around her crooked finger! Actually, calm is the opposite of what people who care should be! Watching an incompetent, biased judge run amok, unchecked, is NOT calming! This same pillar of "justice" will have the power to sentence the killer to LWP.....yep, the family and loved ones should just calm down. :facepalm:
 
  • #784
Please god, I hope nobody calls, this is the kind of nonsense that happened in the first trial with defense witnesses, and it was beyond stupid IMO. Let the people do their jobs in peace. I hope it wasn't an Alexander, but some IDIOT who thinks JSS's boss/supervisor has time to be taking calls from people who should be doing better things with their time.

Why is everyone assuming it was someone pro TA that posted it... this sounds much more to me like something the DT cooked up to support their mission to create appellant issues.
 
  • #785
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State v #JodiArias: Trial will resume on Thursday at 10am.
1/6/15, 3:32 PM

I don't understand these snippets of information this judge gives us. Nothing open about this trial. So we don't know if the supreme court had a conference call with attorneys, we don't know who will be testifying on Thursday, or if there will be a hearing of some kind about a potential witness. We know nothing. The public is kept in the dark.
 
  • #786
Why is everyone assuming it was someone pro TA that posted it... this sounds much more to me like something the DT cooked up to support their mission to create appellant issues.

You are correct. Nor do I need to be told when I should or should not make a phone call. Duh....
 
  • #787
The issue on appeal would be whether JSS was required to strike cruelty as an aggravating factor in light of the fact that it was based on admittedly false testimony. JSS acknowledged that the testimony was false, which ordinarily would mean striking the agg factor, but then quite reasonably pointed out that if Flores had instead testified (in 2009) to the exactly opposite thing Horn actually said (in 2013), the result would have been the same. And for extra insurance she threw in the fact that the DT had already known about Horn's testimony for a year and hadn't said a word about it. (Presumably this was due to a pretrial interview of Horn.)

Harmless error is a thing that comes into play only at the appellate level. The appellate court could say: (1) we agree with JSS that the DT was late in raising this argument (but then that would be ineffective assistance of counsel...), (2) we agree with JSS that the murder qualified as cruel with "gunshot last" and that it doesn't matter what Judge Duncan's reasoning was as long as she got it right, or (3) we disagree with JSS--she was required to strike the agg factor--but it was harmless error. Number 3 makes literally no sense, of course; if she was required to strike the sole agg factor but didn't, and a death sentence was imposed, that would be an error that directly affected the sentence.

If JA meant to kill him instantly with the gun and only stabbed him because, e.g., he disarmed her or the gun jammed or it slipped out of her hands and slid across the floor and the only handy weapon was a giant knife that just happened to be there, the fact that he suffered would not constitute "cruelty" for legal purposes because she didn't know he WOULD suffer before it happened. She only knew he WAS suffering and was trying to put an end to it.

This is all hypothetical obviously. ;)

RBBM: Obviously, KN knows this as JA's testimony about the knife was that it must have been from the kitchen. Although we all know this is BS, they sure did plan an appeal out well in advance.

I wonder if her "fog" will clear come appeal time?
 
  • #788
What a joke. Guess we are another day closer to a mistrial.

Sherry needs a STATE sponsored vacation. FOREVER.

And why at 10? Isn't there supposed to be a media hearing first to have the transcript released? Why can't they start at 8:30? These are worse than bankers hours.
 
  • #789
Perhaps. Either way, the first jury necessarily saw a very different defendant than one who for all but one day has sat next to her attorneys, quietly doodling.

Absolutely. I think they will sentence her to death. But it's truly disturbing that she is savaging Travis and his family yet again
 
  • #790
And why at 10? Isn't there supposed to be a media hearing first to have the transcript released? Why can't they start at 8:30? These are worse than bankers hours.

10am would be an early start. She usually is hearing another case before this one, so the scheduled 10:30 start time here always seems to turn into at least 10:45 on those occasional days when they actually hear testimony.
 
  • #791
10am would be an early start. She usually is hearing another case before this one, so the scheduled 10:30 start time here always seems to turn into at least 10:45 on those occasional days when they actually hear testimony.

You actually think they will hear testimony on Thursday? I love your optimism lol
 
  • #792
The theory of pseudo not wanting to testify or even be named because of his security clearance is deeply troubling. Many people with security clearances testify frequently in the open. Unless you have something to hide that would jeopardize that security clearance, like I don't know...perjury

IDK how you can hire yourself out as a defense expert and then claim you have to hide your identity because of a security clearance, or undercover, or whatever. Did BN think he would sail through this trial as the presumptive expert without sue's identity ever coming to light? Perhaps sue never considered they'd have to testify? Is sue moonlighting without his employer's permission? Is there a conflict of interest in this? Something more sinister? A good plot for a spy novel.
 
  • #793
  • #794
Exactly. "Security clearance" from what entity?

Yep, I had one in the military, and then again in the corporate world.
 
  • #795
IDK how you can hire yourself out as a defense expert and then claim you have to hide your identity because of a security clearance, or undercover, or whatever. Did BN think he would sail through this trial as the presumptive expert without sue's identity ever coming to light? Perhaps sue never considered they'd have to testify? Is sue moonlighting without his employer's permission? Is there a conflict of interest in this? Something more sinister? A good plot for a spy novel.

I really believe that Nurmi thought he'd show the court his "evidence" and give them BN's name as the person who found it and that would be that. He keeps underestimating Juan. Juan has more intelligence and common sense in his pinky than Nurmi can muster in his whole body. JMO
 
  • #796
I really believe that Nurmi thought he'd show the court his "evidence" and give them BN's name as the person who found it and that would be that. He keeps underestimating Juan. Juan has more intelligence and common sense in his pinky than Nurmi can muster in his whole body. JMO

Nailed it.
 
  • #797
I am so pissed. I have paid twice and when I go to see these under trial info all I get is a link to some free court report ad...

Hey angel, there's actually a very small link under the main headings - Petition for Review, and Request for Stay. Click on those and will take you to the right place.
 
  • #798
I am catching up from last night so not sure if this was discussed by here is my two cents. I think Sue D. Nimh will turn out to be as much of an "expert" as BN is. I think Sue and the defense know this is a crock of you-know-what and doesn't want his name associated with it as such. As we have seen time and time again with this defense, their witnesses are a bunch of has beens, never weres, and losers. No one with any credibility whatsoever is associated with this defense which is very telling considering the bottomless pit of money from which it could pay someone credible.

Sorry if this is a repeat.

I believe the appropriate spelling is Sue Duh Nimh

NOTE: This name came to me as an epiphany as yesterday evening I logged on after all was over for the day and folks were talking about Sue D. Nimh at the time.

I thought "who is that?" and went scrolling upstream to find out what fellow sleuthers had found, and then :blushing: DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH... Well, you know the rest of the story. :floorlaugh: It's been a long week for me, but I :giggle: at myself and decided I just better :offtobed:
 
  • #799
I think the gun shot was last. I think he was still making noise gurgling or something and she had to make sure he was dead. I don't understand why this jury or juries in penalty re-trials aren't required to watch video of the first trial. If they did that, this jury surely would be mad already because everything has changed. In the first trial she claimed self defense and now it's that she is a mentally ill "little" girl. If I saw the differences as a juror I would want to know why. And I just don't understand why they don't have the jury do that to bring them up to speed. JMHO

I agree about having them watch the trial. Lord Knows that have plenty of time. They could be put up in a comfy conference room with notebooks and popcorn and given the trial on you-tube. JMO
 
  • #800
If it is DH(the one I am thinking of) he does kind of fit the description but I don't think he is of slight build and he studied political science. I don't see anything about computers. I don't think it is him. Other than that if this person took this on fearing if he is exposed he may get fired, I think he has a good chance of that, especially if the defense team is parading him at their side.

Why would the Court agree to hide the identity of someone clearly in violation of their employer's regulations, especially if a federal employee? JSS would have to be given the reason for the cloaking, yes? And if this person is testifying unbeknownst to and against his employer's policies, is that not collusion by the Court? Wouldn't the appropriate response be feel free to testify, but we're not going to shield your identity to save your job?
 
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