Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Day 32

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Did anyone notice when Nurmi asked DrD if she got that from what Jodi said? He was nice about it. I think he is setting her up to say why is it you believe part of what Jodi says when it confirms to your diagnosis and you don't believe her when it doesn't. I hope Demarta tells him it is because she had evidence to prove what she believes and no evidence when she doesn't. It's a fact that liars put some truth in what they say to make it more believable. Jodi is a master at this. What Dr. D needs to tell the mean DT Atty is that you can't trust anything the defendent says unless you have corroborative confirmation on the issue in question. Which there was no corrobaorative confirmation on the child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 or the DV or any of the horrible things she said about other people and her own parents.:thinking:
 
This guy Michael Kiefer, his tweets are so different when nurmi is up, they’re more positive and longer, he hardly tweets when Juan Martinez is up and when he does they’re very short.
 
Why do I think they look alike? Same hair, similar eyes and nose....scary hands, like a spider, pale skin. Big liars. But, at least Casey was not stupid enough to get on the stand.

Added: and big lips....thin frame...long thin white arms. Very weird.

Both consummate narcissists, alright.

However, I think if you bunked them together for 48 hours, especially cruel lying torture murderess JA would come out aping child-killer CA, not vice-versa.

The parallels are bizarre.

Both cases even have truth-telling "Z" ladies (Zanny and Zenya).
 
LOL seriously nurmi? If you don’t care what Dr. DeMarte thinks, why are you asking her questions?
I don't understand it either. Nurmi says he doesn't care what she thinks then asks about different studies.
 
Did anyone notice when Nurmi asked DrD if she got that from what Jodi said? He was nice about it. I think he is setting her up to say why is it you believe part of what Jodi says when it confirms to your diagnosis and you don't believe her when it doesn't. I hope Demarta tells him it is because she had evidence to prove what she believes and no evidence when she doesn't. It's a fact that liars put some truth in what they say to make it more believable. Jodi is a master at this. What Dr. D needs to tell the mean DT Atty is that you can't trust anything the defendent says unless you have corroborative confirmation on the issue in question. Which there was no corrobaorative confirmation on the child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 or the DV or any of the horrible things she said about other people and her own parents.:thinking:

That's exactly it though. She doesn't just discount things Jodi says out of hand because she is a liar. She looks for evidence and clues and corroboration. She can accept what Jodi says about hacking his emails because there is evidence of it. He accuses her of it many times and she admits it. She accepts what Jodi says about her child because there's no contradictory evidence of it either way. She can say Jodi wasn't abused because there's no corroboration, Travis never abused any of his other girlfriends, her reports were wildly inconsistent, etc. She is extremely thorough and logical. She doesn't fill in the gaps the way Geffner and Fonseca do. She doesn't assume anything or make snap judgments. She doesn't opine. She's not black and white. She doesn't discount something that isn't helpful to the state. She's very good.
 
What I think is that there's this misperception that her BPD was caused by the parents. I think it is more that Jodi perceived slights in everything and every negative action. She perceives normal disciplinary action as invalidation. She perceives her parents caring for the infant child more over her as neglect. I am reminded of that article that was posted here about that child who was a psychopath who irrationally hated his younger brother. It sounds like Jodi had that same kind of hate for her younger brother, possibly stemming from his taking attention away from her.

I am also reminded of Jodi talking about running away because she was grounded and didn't want to be. In her mind, grounding her was wrong and abusive. It's a normal thing to be grounded but she reports it as if it's this great wrong done to her. She is the one who amplifies these things in her mind.

It's not all her parents' fault. It is a frustrating, vicious cycle. The more they tried to punish her and correct her the more she rebelled and resented them. It would never have worked on her. Her mom said in her interrogation "you have it in your head you had this rotten childhood. You need help." Her childhood was probably pretty normal. And she knows this, hence the :/ face at the end of her declaration there was no abuse or neglect in her childhood.
Agree. There are a lot of excellent posters here today! It is how her mind perceives & processes things. So many things that are normal actions for a lot of people, her mind alters them to amplify negatively toward her. Then cries that it's abuse.
 
From the DT :cheer:

Michael Kiefer @michaelbkiefer · 38s 38 seconds ago


Kirk Nurmi begins his cross of Dr. DeMarte by saying "Good morning,"

and when she doesn't answer,

he says, "I'm sorry, I didn't hear you."



:gaah:

This is a TRIAL, Nurmi ... NOT a tea party ... skip the pleasantries, please !
Oh my God. Dr. D also didn't say "good morning" back to Wilmott in the first trial. They don't deserve "a return salute" from Dr. D
 
I, for one, am no longer trying to figure out what the DT is trying to do. Honestly, I don't think they really have a plan other than to confuse the jury. If the scramble that is in my brain is any indication, it worked. Of course, we are only getting trial by tweet.

I've always thought the DT was trying to get the needle into Jodi's arm as fast as possible
 
please say you are kidding.

Not at all kidding. One of the male jurors came to court one day wearing cowboy hat, boots,& jeans. Observers posted how fine he looked.

That was when CMJA started to amp up her appearance in court as far as I can tell. I think she thinks one of the male juror has
the "hots" for her & she can work his vote. Jmo
 
Seems like the only one tweeting any "substance" today is Keifer. And his tweets can't be trusted to be accurate in what either Dr. D or Nurmi is saying.. Bummer that WAT has moved on.
 
No, not really kidding. One day a juror came to court dressed in a cowboy hat and cowboy boots. The following day CMJA wore her sleeveless top to court. That made me wonder. MOO

Hope, a juror is giving a slight smile back as he thinks..yep DP how manipulative JMO
 
It's just a poor strategy. He wants to discredit Demarte on the things she said and used to diagnose Jodi. Can't have the jury thinking she is overly attached and clingy because then they will think that's how she was with Travis and they need the jury to think she was the victim in that relationship and all her relationships. They want you to accept some of what she's saying about BPDs, like feeling neglected and invalidated, abused as child, suicidal, but the rest is hogwash. Demarte diagnosed her because of her behavior and symptoms, not what her childhood was like. They want it both ways. If they had gone all in with this BPD diagnosis it would have been better instead of trying to paint her as the victim all the time and trash Travis.

It may not matter anyway. Demarte is doing a good job of generating sympathy for her, which isn't a bad thing. She's just being honest. But if she avoids death it won't be because of anything the defense did.

From the tweets I was able to see, KN was simply getting JDM to agree to her testimony yesterday. Unless there was a lot left out.
 
What I think is that there's this misperception that her BPD was caused by the parents. I think it is more that Jodi perceived slights in everything and every negative action. She perceives normal disciplinary action as invalidation. She perceives her parents caring for the infant child more over her as neglect. I am reminded of that article that was posted here about that child who was a psychopath who irrationally hated his younger brother. It sounds like Jodi had that same kind of hate for her younger brother, possibly stemming from his taking attention away from her.

I am also reminded of Jodi talking about running away because she was grounded and didn't want to be. In her mind, grounding her was wrong and abusive. It's a normal thing to be grounded but she reports it as if it's this great wrong done to her. She is the one who amplifies these things in her mind.

It's not all her parents' fault. It is a frustrating, vicious cycle. The more they tried to punish her and correct her the more she rebelled and resented them. It would never have worked on her. Her mom said in her interrogation "you have it in your head you had this rotten childhood. You need help." Her childhood was probably pretty normal. And she knows this, hence the :/ face at the end of her declaration there was no abuse or neglect in her childhood.

I agree. I think she has had BPD her entire life. I know someone with this disorder. She is severe and untreated. She becomes overly attached, is ALWAYS a victim and is unable to sustain normal relationships with anyone. I could write a JA-length post about this person, but I won't. Suffice to say, people with SEVERE, UNTREATED BPD are extremely difficult to deal with and often exhibit the traits inherent to this diagnosis at an early age. Everything seems to point to this being the case with JA. Many mental disorders "blossom" during adolescence. Some people level off or even get better after this time. For some it is the start of a spiraling deeper into the disorder. MOO
 
Pretty obvious to me what Nurmi’s doing. He used his days and his “experts” for one thing only, to trash Travis in every possible, deplorable, despicable and vile way. Any discussion of Jodi was the portrayal of the angelic young girl who stayed silent amidst the abuse and would hurt no one.

Now he’s using Dr. DeMarte to explain and “excuse” ALL of Jodi’s behaviors as manifestations of her mental illness, the same mental illness he and Willmott vehemently and ridiculously fought so hard against during the trial.

SO, Travis mean, sexually deviant, sexually violent, sexually aggressive, sexually promiscuous, emotionally and physically abusive to women, a Mormon who “lied to God,” a liar to the church, his bishop, his friends, his multiple girlfriends, his family. Demanding, demeaning, dismissive, sexual flirt who manipulated primarily vulnerable women, pedophile, obsessed with 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬, controlling, selfish, hot tempered, crude, self absorbed, “bigamist” in his female relationships stringing women along, cheater, dishonest, disloyal, vulgar language with and toward women…………..

Then there’s Jodi:
1. Poor undiagnosed Jodi born with this horrible vulnerability to BPD, heredity beyond her control.
2. Parents uneducated and clueless how to help her, which caused this to manifest as the mental illness it is.
3. Never validated by her parents so she never developed that sense of self and belief she deserved any better.
4. Abuse, sexual and physical, from family and others dismissed and ignored because family didn’t validate her, didn’t know how to deal with it.
5. Suicidal ideation from early childhood but no one cared enough about Jodi to get her help.
6. She didn’t stalk or harass boyfriends, she was simply reacting to the inherited genetic tendency, that need to be with others.
7. She didn’t change her looks or interests out of obsession with her boyfriends, but to get the much needed validation from them she didn’t receive as a poor, ignored, child, a documented criteria of mental illness in the form of BPD.
8. She wasn’t attached and clingy, she was reacting to her history of not receiving validation from her family, part of her BPD mental illness.
9. There’s no computer evidence or database to prove Jodi actually looked at emails, FB, etc, so evidently everyone misinterpreted what had been previously testified to.
10. Her crying and “over reactions” weren’t manipulative because sensitivity and emotionality are merely symptoms of her mental illness over which she has no control.
11. She wasn’t intrusive in her relationships, but merely seeking the love and validation she didn’t receive as a child.
12. So nothing is her fault. She did nothing wrong ever. People, everyone, hurt her whether intentionally or not. No one cared enough about her to seek help for her. She was one of the multiple vulnerable women Travis attached himself to in order to easily control, abuse, and use as a sex toy.
13. Because of her mental illness, she had no control over her circumstances and everything she did was a normal reaction to her illness, something she didn’t ask or, didn’t deserve, and something that could have possibly been prevented had she had early intervention by parents who actually cared about her, but instead along the way she encountered horrible men like Travis who took advantage of her vulnerabilities caused by her mental illness.
 
Not at all kidding. One of the male jurors came to court one day wearing cowboy hat, boots,& jeans. Observers posted how fine he looked.

That was when CMJA started to amp up her appearance in court as far as I can tell. I think she thinks one of the male juror has
the "hots" for her & she can work his vote. Jmo

I guess I can hope he ends up an alternate.........if there is any validity to her hoping.
 
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