Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Day 6- Part 2

[TexMex]

Here you are. Who is the guy from New Zealand?

I think Marc McGee

 

[wenwe4]

Was Vernon Parker JA's Bishop? I just cannot wrap my brain around a Bishop testifying about a confidential discussion between himself and a church member - the LDS church has many members who are Atty's who could advise him he has an exemption (unless child abuse/neglect issues might harm a child or someone is actively homicidal or suicidal) IMO. As AZL mentioned, if JA waived priviledge then he could be allowed to testify on her behalf.

If he was TA's Bishop - there would be no way he would testify for JA.

Either way, unless this person is a child witness (that needs protection from the public) or unless it is someone who is out of the country (where JSS would have no control)- there are ways to compel witnesses to testify - (ie: subpeona, court order) if the court has jurisdiction or control over their testimony.

I am going back to my original 2 theories - it's a child or it is a witness who is out of the country. AZL confirmed these are the only 2 ways JSS might consider these type of restrictions in the best interest of justice. JSS would feel that her hands are tied in these 2 scenarios - no other options that would be suitable.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I respect AZL's opinions too , but that doesn't mean I have to agree with all of them. . I follow her logic and understand why she's guessing its NZ guy, but she's guessing, not knowing, as we all are, given the shut down yesterday of open court.

This guessing game is especially convoluted because the DT's tactics are becoming as twisted as their client. Asking for the whole penalty trial to be conducted in secret? Assumed names for witnesses? Bizarre and disturbing.

We all talk of how manipulative a borderline personality is. We know she has her mitigation specialist roped in. Maybe her attorneys are now part of her twisted mind also.

 

[MeeBee]

I understand AZLawyer is only guessing. But her guesses make perfect sense to me and she has the legal knowledge and experience to back it up. And she's never, not once, led us wrong before.

I could certainly be incorrect about the NZ witness. Guess we'll find out...or not.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I think Marc McGee

Thank you. He is a nut case. Surely, JSS wouldn't close a courtroom for him?

 

[ShadyLady]

I wonder how JSS slept last night . . . .

LOL....I hope not too well. I just don't get her. She is beginning to remind me of CA's judge.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Was Vernon Parker JA's Bishop? I just cannot wrap my brain around a Bishop testifying about a confidential discussion between himself and a church member - the LDS church has many members who are Atty's who could advise him he has an exemption (unless child abuse/neglect issues might harm a child or someone is actively homicidal or suicidal) IMO. As AZL mentioned, if JA waived priviledge then he could be allowed to testify on her behalf.

If he was TA's Bishop - there would be no way he would testify for JA.

Either way, unless this person is a child witness (that needs protection from the public) or unless it is someone who is out of the country (where JSS would have no control)- there are ways to compel witnesses to testify - (ie: subpeona, court order) if the court has jurisdiction or control over their testimony.

I am going back to my original 2 theories - it's a child or it is a witness who is out of the country. AZL confirmed these are the only 2 ways JSS might consider these type of restrictions in the best interest of justice. JSS would feel that her hands are tied in these 2 scenarios - no other options that would be suitable.

I do not believe for a moment this is a child.

 

[wenwe4]

Thank you. He is a nut case. Surely, JSS wouldn't close a courtroom for him?

If he is out of country and has information that would impact a DP sentencing case - I think she would fee she had no other options.

So this gives me tremendous hope - Juan will become a Prosecuting Machine!!!!

 

[MeeBee]

If he is out of country and has information that would impact a DP sentencing case - I think she would fee she had no other options.

So this gives me tremendous hope - Juan will become a Prosecuting Machine!!!!

AZLawyer already said several times why the judge may have been obligated to grant his wishes. If he was in her jurisdiction or in the country she could have compelled him to testify. But him being out of the country would have made it impossible for her and she had no other choice so that he could testify in JA's defense.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Was Vernon Parker JA's Bishop? I just cannot wrap my brain around a Bishop testifying about a confidential discussion between himself and a church member - the LDS church has many members who are Atty's who could advise him he has an exemption (unless child abuse/neglect issues might harm a child or someone is actively homicidal or suicidal) IMO. As AZL mentioned, if JA waived priviledge then he could be allowed to testify on her behalf.

If he was TA's Bishop - there would be no way he would testify for JA.

Either way, unless this person is a child witness (that needs protection from the public) or unless it is someone who is out of the country (where JSS would have no control)- there are ways to compel witnesses to testify - (ie: subpeona, court order) if the court has jurisdiction or control over their testimony.

I am going back to my original 2 theories - it's a child or it is a witness who is out of the country. AZL confirmed these are the only 2 ways JSS might consider these type of restrictions in the best interest of justice. JSS would feel that her hands are tied in these 2 scenarios - no other options that would be suitable.

I read on the discussion here or sidebar that he was a mentor to Travis while he was growing up. I have never read that Jodi confided in him. From what I read, he wasn't a Bishop while Travis was young. Maybe JA wanted him to testify to the abuse Travis suffered since a lot of people believe that abused children grow up to be abusers....something I do not believe is true.

 

[wenwe4]

I do not believe for a moment this is a child.

Nor do I, but that is the only time I have seen closed hearings. Where I live, they now close a child hearing in family court only if involves sexual abuse. The only other "closed" hearings that I am aware of are for an order for 72 hour mental health hold. I highly doubt that would be in play in this courtroom - since JA WANTS us to believe she is mentally ill.

 

[Hope4More]

I understand AZLawyer is only guessing. But her guesses make perfect sense to me and she has the legal knowledge and experience to back it up. And she's never, not once, led us wrong before.

I could certainly be incorrect about the NZ witness. Guess we'll find out...or not.

Its all good, MeeBee. I've been reading today about the large number of legal insiders who are flummoxed by what JSS allowed yesterday.

Her actions weren't normal or typical or predictable, and it may well be that they were flat out illegal. Given that context of not knowing why, imo, its literally anyone's guess who the who is in this farce.

 

[hindsight2020]

http://www.travisalexanderjustice.com/friends

 

[MeeBee]

I read on the discussion here or sidebar that he was a mentor to Travis while he was growing up. I have never read that Jodi confided in him. From what I read, he wasn't a Bishop while Travis was young. Maybe JA wanted him to testify to the abuse Travis suffered since a lot of people believe that abused children grow up to be abusers....something I do not believe is true.

I think the idea that he was Travis' mentor is just speculation isn't it? All we know is he is a bishop from Cali.

 

[Sulamith]

My head is spinning. I wonder if JSS is Mormon and she did this for Bishop Parker out of respect. If so, bad decision since it shows partiality. AZlawyer seems to think a lot of JSS but I have to wonder.

ETA: anyone think this may be a possibility?

I thought the same thing last night! I don't think JSS would do that. I hope not but maybe she did.

 

[wenwe4]

I read on the discussion here or sidebar that he was a mentor to Travis while he was growing up. I have never read that Jodi confided in him. From what I read, he wasn't a Bishop while Travis was young. Maybe JA wanted him to testify to the abuse Travis suffered since a lot of people believe that abused children grow up to be abusers....something I do not believe is true.

We would be back to a subpoena that could be issued immediately and the demands of closed courtroom would not be in play.

 

[krkrjx]

Which is even more important not to allow secrecy because everyone will want the same benefit. The whole rest of the trial defense witnesses will want the same thing, and once she makes this exception, then any other witnesses will be able to ask for same privilege.

I would want to remain anonymous even if the trial was over stolen candy from a candy store. It is not uncommon to not want to get on the stand in a jury trial.

What's so weird is that usually witnesses who feel threatened about testifying are state's witnesses. They are the ones who tend to give testimony that might condemn a person. Having defense witnesses claim they are afraid is either because the witness is afraid of social condemnation for lying through their teeth, or solely for dramatic effect.

IMO.

I don't care if they are uncomfortable getting up on the witness stand; as you say, you would be too. Most people would be a bundle of nerves in that situation. But this is not about what they are feeling or what they want or need. This is about a public issue in a public venue being closed to the public!

How can a society ensure honesty and integrity when matters of public importance are conducted in secrecy?

 

[MeeBee]

http://www.travisalexanderjustice.com/friends

Oh, thank you! I've been looking for this site!

These are my two favorite stories and outlines the real Travis Alexander.

"Walked into Office Depot in Carson City today, and suddenly realized that it was the first stop Travis and I made after I picked him up at the Reno airport. It was his first trip to Tahoe to help me build my business. He bought equipment and had copies made, and all the time I'm thinking "Oh no! How is he ever going to get all that back on the plane?!" We get to the car, he puts the equipment in the back, gets in the passenger seat, and hands me an envelope. He smiles that great smile and says "This will help you get your business going." Bittersweet. JoAnn Conner

"Travis Alexander`s driving down the street. He sees a homeless man. He pulls over, he talks to him, gets to know that he seems like a normal guy, just had some things happen in his life. He says I`m going to help you out, brings him to his house, lets him get showered, gives him a change of clothes, his own clothing, takes him down to a local restaurant, talks to the manager, tells the guy`s story, asks if the manager if he`ll give this guy a job, gave him a job, and changed that guy`s life forever. And that`s the Travis Alexander that I know and love." Chris Hughes

Thanks so much for posting this. He was a force of nature.

 

[Hope4More]

AZLawyer already said several times why the judge may have been obligated to grant his wishes. If he was in her jurisdiction or in the country she could have compelled him to testify. But him being out of the country would have made it impossible for her and she had no other choice so that he could testify in JA's defense.

If it was Karp......wasn't she involved in some way with the pedophilia letters? (I' m not saying with their forgery!) It might be a very complicated thing legally for her to testify.

 

[Foghorn]

I read on the discussion here or sidebar that he was a mentor to Travis while he was growing up. I have never read that Jodi confided in him. From what I read, he wasn't a Bishop while Travis was young. Maybe JA wanted him to testify to the abuse Travis suffered since a lot of people believe that abused children grow up to be abusers....something I do not believe is true.

Thank you, Curious!

I could not remember why this Bishop was being inserted into the trial. I remember reading the back and forth on who's witness he was, State vs Defense--but could not remember the significance of his involvement.