Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Day 6 - Part 3

[Mrs G Norris]

Doesn't the fact that the judge has stopped allowing cameras in the courtroom for this second sentencing phase almost give weight to any future appeals that the media attention meant that JA couldn't get a fair trial the first time around? I hope we never end up with a full retrail in this case, mind you I doubt it will happen. I can see us all still following this one in 10 years if she actually gets DP, and then eventually her sentence being downgraded to life. Apart from the Alexanders and the witnesses who have suffered, the other victims in this are the taxpayers in Arizona who have to foot the bill. IMO it's a shame that in the case of a hung jury a judge can't simply made a ruling for LWOP.

 

[Madeleine74]

You make some great points , but my thoughts are how this affects other trials and defendants who feel the need to do this. So much has been happening in our government that seems to challenge the constitution that that is what concerns me.

Outside of AZ there will be no effect. None, nada, zero. Inside of AZ I don't think this will have any effect either. There are many, many murder cases that are litigated in AZ, and most of them don't get the kind of coverage this case has gotten. And very few DP cases. This is an anomaly.

 

[Hope4More]

I agree. That is why I am scratching my head. I just wondered if somewhere along the way, JSS lost her bearings on this case. Guess we will all know in time. I certainly hope Juan is on top of all these shenanigans.

JM being up to the job, whatever curveballs being thrown, is the one thing I feel 100% certain about.

He's steeped enough in all things CMJA to know exactly what's she capable of and how she thinks. No matter what lies she tells herself, he demolished her on the stand, and won the convictions he did in spite of a jury foreman who would cheerfully have hung the jury on guilt if he could have managed it.

I bet JM is entirely focused on the finish line of this marathon, and like Travis' family, simply wants to finish the job of putting her on death row.

 

[ElleElle]

I was reading some posts on the last page of the last thread. Some think maybe Jodi is telling this jury how much she loved Travis (just wanted to stop his pedophilia, etc) but she never wanted to hurt him.

At what point did she think it didn't hurt? After the first stab, the second, the third, the fourth, the fifth, and so on? Or maybe when she slit his throat she REALLY didn't want to hurt him? Or maybe it was that gun shot to his head. Ouch, that wouldn't hurt too much. I mean. Come on. She never wanted to hurt him but she thinks he deserved it, right?

Picture yourself as a juror who honestly knows nothing of this crime, which is unbelievable in itself. Would you believe the murderer (who has already been found guilty of murder with aggravating cruelty) if she said she never wanted to hurt Travis? Ok, let's say she believed her own lies of pedophilia, why not go to the police? Do you kill someone because you are concerned? Crap!

This was nothing more than a low life, scheming, conniving murderer who was jealous and enraged that Travis was not going to marry her. There is no goodness in her. Nothing redeemable. The jury will see it.

Jodi cannot undo the severity of this crime. She cannot undo all the lives she has ruined.
The DP might be the better option, although the appeals would cost tons.
We don't have DP in Canada, so worse case scenario , she should be sentenced 25 years for each act of cruelty =75 years imo, with no chance of parole.

 

[Zuri]

Oh, OK. Someone had posted that she thought it made sense, and I was like, wait, didn't she go to law school? Or do I have her confused with someone else?



She's definitely too quick to seal things in this case. If she sealed JA's testimony for no good reason, though, I will have to personally campaign against her when she's up on the ballot next. In 4 years I think. :banghead:

AZ Lawyer, may we nominate you to the bench? AZ needs a fair, wise, knowledgeable, rational, confident judge and IMO, you fit the bill. Would you ever be interested? Please...

 

[krkrjx]

You make perfect sense but unless the foreman from her guilty trial is there, the other jurors should know killing someone three times is not self defense. Driving 1000 miles to be abused makes no sense.

It certainly doesn't make sense, and the jurors certainly should know it. But I believe that the first jury should also have known it. I sincerely hope that anyone on the current panel who votes the wrong way or is unable to decide can be steered in the right direction by those who are able to see the forest from the trees.

 

[Luvrosco]

We still don't know who was the witness, am I correct in this? Is the judge bending over backwards to prevent this to be overturned on an appeal?

 

[ElleElle]

Nana was asking about Travis's family. Yes, they were in court. They are victims and were allowed to stay. I doubt they would leak the info to anyone.

I thought everyone was removed from the courtroom, including the Alexanders?

Have to go relook.

 

[Nosey Parker]

Outside of AZ there will be no effect. None, nada, zero. Inside of AZ I don't think this will have any effect either. There are many, many murder cases that are litigated in AZ, and most of them don't get the kind of coverage this case has gotten. And very few DP cases. This is an anomaly.

BBM Exactly why it has, and continues to, generate interest and concern IMO

 

[twomanywords]

Would Juan be able to show the new jury any of the past TV interviews so they can see how easily she lies, such as ninjas and how she wasn't there and all the BS she said with a smiling face?

 

[Hope4More]

I'm going to go sooth my soul by looking again at that pic of her in stripes and chains, then by putting her entirely out of my mind for the rest of the day......

 

[krkrjx]

You make some great points , but my thoughts are how this affects other trials and defendants who feel the need to do this. So much has been happening in our government that seems to challenge the constitution that that is what concerns me.

Hear, hear!

 

[Nana46]

It certainly doesn't make sense, and the jurors certainly should know it. But I believe that the first jury should also have known it. I sincerely hope that anyone on the current panel who votes the wrong way or is unable to decide can be steered in the right direction by those who are able to see the forest from the trees.

See this is what bothers me....what is this jury now thinking.....why the closed courtroom...are they gonna think "wow, something must be going on here...maybe this chick was really innocent and got a bum rap".....I think they should hear every little detail. A few years ago I had jury duty and was devastated to learn the defendant had previous charges on the same thing he was being tried for. It really really bothered me how easily he could have gotten off...I realize you can't know about previous crimes but come on.....she has been found GUILTY and I don't think that has been shouted enough for this jury to hear. IMO.

 

[Quester]

Doesn't the fact that the judge has stopped allowing cameras in the courtroom for this second sentencing phase almost give weight to any future appeals that the media attention meant that JA couldn't get a fair trial the first time around? I hope we never end up with a full retrail in this case, mind you I doubt it will happen. I can see us all still following this one in 10 years if she actually gets DP, and then eventually her sentence being downgraded to life. Apart from the Alexanders and the witnesses who have suffered, the other victims in this are the taxpayers in Arizona who have to foot the bill. IMO it's a shame that in the case of a hung jury a judge can't simply made a ruling for LWOP.

IDK about the legal issues you raised as IANAL but I can assure you my involvement time-wise with this case ends with this penalty phase retrial - no if ands or buts about it! - I will be done with Miss criminal JA!

I agree with you, there have been many victims in this case. I would have preferred the prosecutors had dropped the DP and the judge had ruled LWOP than stage this retrial which I think is a terrible waste of time, money and effort for a $|[@# who will never see the light of day and, in any case, would probably never be executed in her natural life time anyway.

Far too much time, effort, money spent on this case which, odds are, will ultimately end with JA spending her natural life in jail since no woman has been executed in AZ since the 1930s.

ETA: And for the record, I believe in the DP and believe JA has well earned it!

 

[ElleElle]

Here is the media angle.

 

[krkrjx]

See this is what bothers me....what is this jury now thinking.....why the closed courtroom...are they gonna think "wow, something must be going on here...maybe this chick was really innocent and got a bum rap".....I think they should hear every little detail. A few years ago I had jury duty and was devastated to learn the defendant had previous charges on the same thing he was being tried for. It really really bothered me how easily he could have gotten off...I realize you can't know about previous crimes but come on.....she has been found GUILTY and I don't think that has been shouted enough for this jury to hear. IMO.

I think we need to try to remember that Juan Martinez is in the courtroom. He will not let things go sour if he has any say, and I believe he will tell the jury what they need to know.

My main concern right now is that secret courtroom activities allowed in one case can set a dangerous precedent for future cases. Hopefully the appeals court will rule early Monday eliminating that threat but until that happens there is reason to be concerned over what has occurred in that courtroom.

 

[zoomom]

Are you talking about the photoshopped one or is there actually a pic of the killer in stripes and chains?

It's photo shopped (read the tweet at the bottom.)

 

[Zuri]

OT: MRS G is in the house! So good to see you!

 

[Mrs G Norris]

OT: MRS G is in the house! So good to see you!

Hey Zuri you too!! I was going to try and avoid getting sucked into this case again, but couldn't resist! Must. Watch. Chaos ..

 

[Tuba]

With the mental image of Arias on the stand, in her black shirt & black blazer, I'm reminded of some analysis by De Marte. She said that frequently she has seen one facile with words, all out of proportion to other skills & tendencies, be a manipulative liar. I too have thought that developing from early years as a habitual liar would spur the lingo, the incentive being that lies, composed with words, provided sought after escape. Saved the day, many times. I'm certain that Sandy Arias accepted some real clangers from her daughter, lots of them quite elaborate. Remember at her Flores interview, her exclamations about Jodi showing her receipts to prove she hadn't been in Mesa!!? This was all conjecture on my part but De Marte speaks from validated observations.