Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered #3

[emirates1957]

An example of a gradual depressurization is the golfer Payne Stewart's plane crash. They all passed out and just flew until their plane crashed.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9911/23/stewart.crash.03/

Sounds like they didn't pressurise the A/C from their initial checklist. Once you ascend over 10 thousand feet, you can suffer from hypoxia. At 18 thousand feet you have a UTC useable time of consciousness of 20-30 minutes, 25 thousand feet 3 to 5 minutes. The F/D would have received a Master Caution Warning, depending on the type of A/C. View Helios Airways Flight 522. Sounds like Pilot error.

 

[newone]

''Lucky Charm" tells us that results may be possible in two days!!!
Since General Moeldoko became active in the recovery - results have been more encouraging.

"PANGKALAN BUN, Indonesia: A flight data recorder recovered from near the crash site of AirAsia flight QZ8501 on Monday (Jan 12) is slated to arrive in Jakarta for analysis that could begin immediately and show initial results in two days, Indonesia military chief General Moeldoko told reporters here.''

part has been loaded onto air force plane to Jakarta

''Experts from France's air safety agency BEA, and Airbus are expected to help with the analysis.''

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/data-unit-of-qz8501-black/1585108.html

 

[Snoods]

Sounds like they didn't pressurise the A/C from their initial checklist. Once you ascend over 10 thousand feet, you can suffer from hypoxia. At 18 thousand feet you have a UTC useable time of consciousness of 20-30 minutes, 25 thousand feet 3 to 5 minutes. The F/D would have received a Master Caution Warning, depending on the type of A/C. View Helios Airways Flight 522. Sounds like Pilot error.

I've seen a documentary about the Helios flight, that was bizarre.

I've flown a lot throughout my life, at one point as much as several times a week for several years. I'm scared of flying but would torture myself by watching air disaster documentaries, what a loon right?

 

[Snoods]

''Lucky Charm" tells us that results may be possible in two days!!!
Since General Moeldoko became active in the recovery - results have been more encouraging.

"PANGKALAN BUN, Indonesia: A flight data recorder recovered from near the crash site of AirAsia flight QZ8501 on Monday (Jan 12) is slated to arrive in Jakarta for analysis that could begin immediately and show initial results in two days, Indonesia military chief General Moeldoko told reporters here.''

part has been loaded onto air force plane to Jakarta

''Experts from France's air safety agency BEA, and Airbus are expected to help with the analysis.''

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/data-unit-of-qz8501-black/1585108.html

France and Airbus experts are helping them? Well this is good news! I was beginning to doubt we would ever hear the truth about what happened.

 

[newone]

'""I told our soldiers that the search isn't over yet," Armed Forces Chief Moeldoko told reporters. "I am sure the remaining victims are in the body of the plane. So we need to find those."

http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/01/12/indonesia-airplane-idINL3N0UR1BV20150112

 

[newone]

o/t but not really......

way back I asked if there was a favor being pulled for the flight to get that slot.....follow the money

take a look at comment #397 on the Asia One comment board

http://forums.asiaone.com/showthread.php?t=75385&page=40

 

[SouthAussie]

So they have part of the plane plopped out on the street like a tourist attraction with people wandering all around it? :thud: What the....

That is what they do in Indonesia. This is very O/T, but is a good example. In the Sheila von Wiese Mack murder in Bali, Indonesia, they laid out all the evidence (suitcases that had been stuffed with her body and bloody items) in the police car park for all to see - see below pic. In all of the drug smuggling busts there too (Bali Nine, Schapelle Corby) there are plentiful public displays of the bags of heroin strapped to their bodies, and the huge bag of pot that was pulled from the surf board bag.

Eg:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...U-S-socialite-mother-Bali-help-boyfriend.html

 

[SouthAussie]

So, they also know where an engine is ..... probably right there where they found the first flight recorder.


Henry Bambang Soelistyo, head of the national search and rescue agency, said Sunday that divers had located a wing and debris from an engine.

http://www.omaha.com/news/world/div...cle_7d11089a-9a44-11e4-88fa-5389318ef1f8.html


"We succeeded in bringing up part of the black box that we call the flight data recorder," Soelistyo told reporters in Jakarta, adding it had been recovered from under the wreckage of a wing.

http://news.asiaone.com/news/asia/s...ox-sent-jakarta-analysis#sthash.BTlFTboX.dpuf

 

[newone]

So, they also know where an engine is ..... probably right there where they found the first flight recorder.


Henry Bambang Soelistyo, head of the national search and rescue agency, said Sunday that divers had located a wing and debris from an engine.

http://www.omaha.com/news/world/div...cle_7d11089a-9a44-11e4-88fa-5389318ef1f8.html


"We succeeded in bringing up part of the black box that we call the flight data recorder," Soelistyo told reporters in Jakarta, adding it had been recovered from under the wreckage of a wing.

http://news.asiaone.com/news/asia/s...ox-sent-jakarta-analysis#sthash.BTlFTboX.dpuf

this is much more detail than we had received earlier.......all we heard earlier was that retrieval was hampered by heavy debris.....

 

[SouthAussie]

After a lengthy search, rescuers on Sunday detected the ping signals given off by the recorders' emergency transmitters close to what was initially thought to be the main body of the plane.

However Moeldoko said Monday the main cabin, which is believed to contain most of the victims, had not yet been found.

http://www.gulf-times.com/asean-phi...es-crashed-airasia-jet's-flight-data-recorder

 

[SouthAussie]

"(The cockpit voice recorder) seems to be under a wing, which is quite heavy," said Supriyadi, operations coordinator for the search and rescue agency. "So we will use air bags to lift it. This will be done tomorrow." (Tuesday.)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/re...ve-black-box-data-recorder-AirAsia-wreck.html

 

[SouthAussie]

"S B Supriyadi, a director with the national search and rescue agency, said that initial analysis of the wreckage so far recovered indicated that the plane exploded on impact with the water.

“It exploded because of the pressure,” he told reporters in Pangkalan Bun town on Borneo island, the search headquarters.

“The cabin was pressurised and before the pressure of the cabin could be adjusted, it went down – boom. That explosion was heard in the area.”

But another official disputed the likelihood of a blast.
"There is no data to support that kind of theory," said Santoso Sayogo, an investigator at the National Transportation Safety Committee.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/re...ve-black-box-data-recorder-AirAsia-wreck.html

 

[Bravo]

RIP Payne Stewart et al

We all cried when Payne was killed. We are avid golfers and watchers. So sad. Yes RIP Payne.

 

[Bravo]

Why in Gods name would anyone give an opinion as to the cause so early in!!!! This is just wack. Those poor Families.

 

[Snoods]

This hour it's an in-flight stall.

Safety Experts Focus on In-Flight Stall or Upset as AirAsia Crash Cause

As investigators prepare to start processing the flight-data recorder from AirAsia Flight 8501, industry officials and air-safety experts are playing down maintenance issues and focusing instead on a high-altitude stall or upset as the most likely culprit in the crash.

At the same time, a number of technical conclusions appear to be steadily gaining acceptance among safety experts world-wide. One is that the Airbus A320 didn’t have any big outstanding maintenance problems or deferred safety fixes before it plummeted into the Java Sea on Dec. 28, according to industry officials and air-safety experts familiar with the probe.

That strongly suggests mechanical defects, structural problems and maintenance-related issues likely weren’t major factors in the tragedy, which killed all 162 aboard the flight en route to Singapore from Surabaya.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/airasia-experts-focus-on-in-flight-upset-as-crash-cause-1421064504

 

[Boodles]

[video=twitter;554566512267116545]https://twitter.com/STForeignDesk/status/554566512267116545?lang=en[/video]

They do seem to enjoy the photo ops!

 

[Snoods]

That is what they do in Indonesia. This is very O/T, but is a good example. In the Sheila von Wiese Mack murder in Bali, Indonesia, they laid out all the evidence (suitcases that had been stuffed with her body and bloody items) in the police car park for all to see - see below pic. In all of the drug smuggling busts there too (Bali Nine, Schapelle Corby) there are plentiful public displays of the bags of heroin strapped to their bodies, and the huge bag of pot that was pulled from the surf board bag.

Eg:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...U-S-socialite-mother-Bali-help-boyfriend.html

Ugh her body was in those suitcases?! Plural? Yikes.

It's just so strange seeing everything splayed out like that, but I should be more understanding of the cultural differences...

 

[Snoods]

They do seem to enjoy the photo ops!

I was giggling over these two photos capturing the exact moment the black box is presented. What a coincidence there happened to be all those high ranking officials gathered around it! Get in there for the next candid shot, orange shirt! :giggle:

 

[Peliman]

The guy lifting the flight recorder deserves a medal!!!

 

[Snoods]

The guy lifting the flight recorder deserves a medal!!!

:floorlaugh: