Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered #3

[Snoods]

No not a loon. I feel for people that are required to fly for business purposes and hate flying...I couldn't think of anything worse. Have a look at Reeve Aleutian Airways Flight 8, they overcome a propeller being ripped off, explosive decompression and loss of control. They all walked away. It was on our Foxtel Documentary channel the other day. It was one of the best I have seen.

We show the Helios flight in our Emergency Procedure classes. Helios received a cockpit warning signal at around 12000 ft (they never pressurised the A/C from the onset). At 12000 ft you would still have a useable conscious time of perhaps more than 0030 minutes. The crew thought it was an air conditioning problem. As they start to climb their UCT is diminishing, at 32000 ft they would have had 30-60 seconds to react to a loss of pressure. By the time they got to this point they would have been severely hypoxic if not dead. Unfortunately this was tragedy which resulted in Pilot error.

Aww you are very kind. I'm much better than I used to be, I think flying so often really helped me.

The first time I flew after 9/11 I had the pleasure of sitting next to a pilot named Ron (not in the cockpit he was deadheading lol) who has a fear of flying website and teaches free classes. He was amazing, he and his site helped me so much!

I'll have to check out the Reeve Airways flight documentary, it sounds amazing! That pilot is a hero.

 

[Snoods]

today two more bodies were identified

Elizabeth Youvita age 20 seat 4B
David Gunawan age 37 seat 10D

RSBM David Gunawan 37, with his wife Julianna, son Kenneth and daughter Kayla. All four were on board.

Elizabeth Youtiva, 20-years-old.

http://blogs.wsj.com/indonesiarealtime/2014/12/30/in-airasia-crisis-center-a-reunion-of-old-friends/

 

[MsFacetious]

I'm going to wait till the fuselage being found is reported elsewhere before I get too excited. :twocents:

We are flying over water in October... the kids and I on one place and DH on another.
I reminded him that meant that his entire family would be on a separate plane.
He said "Yeah, I noticed that too." :scared:

 

[Snoods]

today two more bodies were identified

Elizabeth Youvita age 20 seat 4B
David Gunawan age 37 seat 10D

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/live-blog-retrieving-the/1583898.html?cid=TWTCNA


from previous thread

Kevin seat 6 B
Hayati seat 23 B
Tony Linaksita 21F
Shiane Josal 27A
Lim Yan Koen 26C
Jonki Jou 3C
Grayson Linaksita 21C
Kathleen Linaksita 21
Meiji Thejakusuma 10E
Jie Stevie Gunawan 9E
Juanita Limantara 26 B
Wismoyo Ari Prambudi -- cannot find seat
Nick Giovani 11A
Justin Giovani 25F
Liangshi, Indajhu 25E
Lanus, Hermanto 25D
Park Seongbeom 4F (father w/infant still missing)
Lee Kyung Hwa 3F

updated known & identified

manifest and seating link

http://www.dephub.go.id/public/0506_... AWQ8501.pdf

Thanks for keeping up with the passenger seating, it's really interesting.

So from your list four from the very front of the plane, three a few rows behind them, then it jumps to the 20's.

 

[Snoods]

[video=twitter;554901236307070976]https://twitter.com/davidmolkoCNN/status/554901236307070976?lang=en[/video]

 

[MsFacetious]

Man for a minute I thought that was someone other than CNN. :waiting:

 

[emirates1957]

Aww you are very kind. I'm much better than I used to be, I think flying so often really helped me.

The first time I flew after 9/11 I had the pleasure of sitting next to a pilot named Ron (not in the cockpit he was deadheading lol) who has a fear of flying website and teaches free classes. He was amazing, he and his site helped me so much!

I'll have to check out the Reeve Airways flight documentary, it sounds amazing! That pilot is a hero.

Glad it helped Snoods. Sounds like a wonderful man who offered his expertise.

 

[SouthAussie]

Thanks for keeping up with the passenger seating, it's really interesting.

So from your list four from the very front of the plane, three a few rows behind them, then it jumps to the 20's.

Yes, I did a sort on newone's list (thank you, newone :seeya: ) and there is no-one yet from rows 12-20. Though they still have about 14 (?) people unidentified.

I did find that Wismoyo Ari Prambudi was a flight attendant, hence no allocated seat.


They are listed as senior flight attendant Wanti Setiawati, and flight attendants Desano himself, Khairunisa Haidar Fauzi, and Wismoyo Ari Prambudi.

Air steward Wismoyo was not meant to be on flight QZ8501, his family said.

http://www.straitstimes.com/news/as...nos-wife-pregnant-and-de#sthash.Ht6UvXzW.dpuf

 

[emirates1957]

Aww you are very kind. I'm much better than I used to be, I think flying so often really helped me.

The first time I flew after 9/11 I had the pleasure of sitting next to a pilot named Ron (not in the cockpit he was deadheading lol) who has a fear of flying website and teaches free classes. He was amazing, he and his site helped me so much!

I'll have to check out the Reeve Airways flight documentary, it sounds amazing! That pilot is a hero.

Glad it helped Snoods. Sounds like a wonderful man who offered his expertise.

 

[Snoods]

Yes, I did a sort on newone's list (thank you, newone :seeya: ) and there is no-one yet from rows 12-20. Though they still have about 16 (?) people unidentified.

I did find that Wismoyo Ari Prambudi was a flight attendant, hence no allocated seat.


They are listed as senior flight attendant Wanti Setiawati, and flight attendants Desano himself, Khairunisa Haidar Fauzi, and Wismoyo Ari Prambudi.

Air steward Wismoyo was not meant to be on flight QZ8501, his family said.[/I]

http://www.straitstimes.com/news/as...nos-wife-pregnant-and-de#sthash.Ht6UvXzW.dpuf

BBM Oh no, the "what-ifs" and "if onlys" must be so difficult to endure in situations like that. How heartbreaking.

I also wonder how it must feel for the passengers that miss a doomed flight. Elation obviously,but I wonder if there is any kind of survivor's guilt.

This family of ten missed the flight by minutes:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-airasia-flight-qz8501-family-4890125

 

[SouthAussie]

Here is a Navy map which shows where objects have been found. Not that I can understand much of it. :sigh: Maybe someone else will have more luck.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/world...ack-boxes-pulled-out-of-java-sea_1529180.html

 

[SouthAussie]

Channel NewsAsia retweeted
Sumisha Naidu @sumishanaidu · 11m 11 minutes ago
#QZ8501 : BASARNAS chief tells families: "it's not very simple to find a crashed aircraft underwater". refers to #MH370


Channel NewsAsia retweeted
Sumisha Naidu @sumishanaidu · 9m 9 minutes ago
#QZ8501: BASARNAS chief promises family members he wants to find all bodies- said couldn't really answer where he thinks the bodies are


Channel NewsAsia retweeted
Sumisha Naidu @sumishanaidu · 20m 20 minutes ago
#QZ8501 : BASARNAS chief says they haven't found the body of the plane, just engine,wings and tail


Channel NewsAsia retweeted
Sumisha Naidu @sumishanaidu · 33m 33 minutes ago
#QZ8501:BASARNAS chief tells families bodies recovered were of passengers sitting in various parts of the plane-not one particular section

https://twitter.com/channelnewsasia

 

[SouthAussie]

Divers have sighted debris of AirAsia Flight 8501 in the Java Sea, which is suspected to be the jet’s engine based on the size and shape of the wreckage, an investigator told Channel News Asia on Tuesday. The search for the fuselage and victims of the crash has entered its seventeenth day.

An investigator reportedly said it has not been confirmed if the wreckage spotted is the jet’s engine, adding that there's another “large piece of debris” that may be retrieved in the coming days. Divers have reportedly marked the spot where there is a possibility of locating the plane’s main fuselage.

http://www.ibtimes.com/airasia-flig...sea-investigators-await-another-large-1781522

 

[SeriouslySearching]

The first time I flew after 9/11 I had the pleasure of sitting next to a pilot named Ron (not in the cockpit he was deadheading lol) who has a fear of flying website and teaches free classes. He was amazing, he and his site helped me so much!

Wish I had your pilot instead of the seat mate I got on my last flight! He almost cried because we saw lightning right off the wing and then a crazy lightning storm nearby. I finally got him calmed down. I am the one who doesn't like to fly! And did I mention his job was something like mapping out systems on airplanes?! LOL

 

[Snoods]

Wish I had your pilot instead of the seat mate I got on my last flight! He almost cried because we saw lightning right off the wing and then a crazy lightning storm nearby. I finally got him calmed down. I am the one who doesn't like to fly! And did I mention his job was something like mapping out systems on airplanes?! LOL

Oh no! :floorlaugh:

I cringe because I guarantee there are people out there that have sat next to me on flights and are probably telling similar war stories about me lol.

 

[Snoods]

Thanks SouthAussie, so divers finding the fuselage is just a rumor at this point.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Oh no! :floorlaugh:

I cringe because I guarantee there are people out there that have sat next to me on flights and are probably telling similar war stories about me lol.

Had he been a regular Joe, I wouldn't have minded...but the guy's career was built on keeping airplanes in the air!

I bet you were never that bad, Snoods. :therethere:

 

[SouthAussie]

This WSJ article is an interesting read ... Indonesia do have their own lab for interrogating the black box data ... they have had it since 2009. Australia assigned an Aussie investigator to Indonesia from 2009-2011 (as per previous ATSB link), at Indonesia's request. Before that all of their data was interrogated here in Australia, apparently. Presuming the Aussie ATSB investigator was hired to help them get up and running with their own lab from 2009-2011. Since then, Indonesia has done quite a few black box investigations ...... 57 flight-data recorders and 69 cockpit voice recorders.


In an unassuming, two-room lab near a cluster of government offices in downtown Jakarta, Indonesia’s National Transportation Safety Committee is preparing to piece together the final moments of AirAsia Flight 8501.

On Monday night, investigators from the committee received the first of two black boxes recovered from the Airbus A320 jet—the flight-data recorder—and are assessing it for damage.

The second black box—the cockpit voice recorder—was recovered Tuesday and will “hopefully” arrive at the committee’s offices by Tuesday night, Mr. Sayogo said.

As in past investigations, the laboratory—a small, spartan space where about five people can gather comfortably—will be the starting point for black-box analysis.

Joining them are investigators from France’s air-crash investigation agency and advisers from Airbus, who have been on hand since shortly after the crash.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/airasia...look-at-flight-8501s-final-moments-1421129728

 

[Roselvr]

I do not understand how they're not sure where each piece of wreckage is. We're talking what 100ft deep?

 

[mommylicious]

RSBM David Gunawan 37, with his wife Julianna, son Kenneth and daughter Kayla. All four were on board.

Elizabeth Youtiva, 20-years-old.

http://blogs.wsj.com/indonesiarealtime/2014/12/30/in-airasia-crisis-center-a-reunion-of-old-friends/

It's nice to remember the passengers by face, not just name and seat number but boy is it heartbreaking. :tears::tears::tears::tears: thank you for sharing.