Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered #3

[emirates1957]

We may have to wait for emirates to come to the thread to confirm, but I think aircraft have to have the registration number under the wing as well as on the side ... so it can be seen from underneath too.

Nationality and registration marks of aircraft .... (this is about the UK law, but Australia has it too from what I have read before).
Position and size of marks
(1) The position and size of marks on heavier than air aircraft (excluding kites) shall be as follows:
(a) on the horizontal surfaces of the wings:
(i) on aircraft having a fixed wing surface, the marks shall appear on the lower surface of the wing structure and shall be on the port wing unless they extend across the whole surface of both wings.

http://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-176809.html


So that pic would be part of the left wing of the plane, I think. I'm not positive about this, it is just from stuff I read during initial MH370 searches.

Sorry in catch up mode. Will check and get back to you tomorrow. Can't believe after 37 years at an airport I can't remember if there is a rego under the wing.

 

[emirates1957]

I could be crazy but it appears to me that the aircraft came to the ocean at a near horizontal attitude. Lost the tail as it's first point of contact with the Java Sea. As it slowed in it's approach with the ocean began taking on water from it. Within minutes of impact, aircraft personnel deployed one slide thinking they could survive it. The aircraft taking one last gulp of air from the rear of it creating a bubble to force any loose seats and aircraft personnel out the opening. To me the idea of some sort of "explosion" at impact is not creditable.

JMO

These are my thoughts as well. I think they battled to control the aircraft in attempt to ditch. The tail has first followed by remainder. Also for a wing to be still intact would lend fact to the theory it was still in a horizontal attitude with a nose up pitch.

 

[emirates1957]

I am so happy they found the fuselage. I hope they find the rest of the victims. At least the families would have some closure. I wonder how fast the plane took on water if it did make a successful water landing. I mean obviously the tail broke off so it makes me wonder how the floating bodies came free.. Did they have enough time to unbuckle while the rest did not? Or was it that they were just not wearing their seatbelts when it happened. I'm torn on having everyone have an autopsy done. A lot of people don't want to imagine their loved one being ripped open and everything removed. I know when my mom died, I chose not to have one done because I didn't wanna put her through that. Its a tough situation. Hopefully they will find the nose soon and once the information is translated and everything I hope there is a clear answer as to what happened.

I think that the seat belt sign would be on the whole way given the weather conditions. You will always have those passengers that hate wearing seat belts. Let's hope with the data and debris retrieved it will being closure to those families.

 

[emirates1957]

That worries me, I thought a member from Airbus would have to be there. Airbus will sure as hell want the correct data.

 

[PrairieWind]

Why would you think that? I actually think Airbus does have someone there, but basically Indonesia can do what they want.

 

[emirates1957]

Why would you think that? I actually think Airbus does have someone there, but basically Indonesia can do what they want.

I really have no idea about the legalities. According to our Airbus Engineer, he believed a representative from Airbus was required to be there. I only hope accurate information can be passed onto the family members. As you say Indonesia can do anything they want, which I am sure does not give the aviation community great faith in the outcome.

 

[Peliman]

Sounds like an assessment or the fuselage is on-going.

An advance team of 15 divers plunged into the water early Thursday to examine the main portion of the jet, S.B. Supriyadi, a rescue agency official coordinating the search, told AFP.

"They will first assess how many bodies are still trapped inside the fuselage," he said, adding that about 100 more divers would join the effort after the initial assessment.

"Hopefully we can retrieve all the victims as soon as possible."

Just 50 bodies have so far been recovered.

National search and rescue chief Bambang Soelistyo previously said that if divers had problems retrieving bodies from the wreckage while it is still on the seabed, officials would try to lift it.

http://www.straitstimes.com/news/as...main-body-plane-20150115#sthash.sDTK2bm1.dpuf

 

[newone]

I really have no idea about the legalities. According to our Airbus Engineer, he believed a representative from Airbus was required to be there. I only hope accurate information can be passed onto the family members. As you say Indonesia can do anything they want, which I am sure does not give the aviation community great faith in the outcome.

.....I would think that if Airbus had a lease arrangement with AirAsia they would want to be there

 

[emirates1957]

.....I would think that if Airbus had a lease arrangement with AirAsia they would want to be there

Yes I would imagine and hope so. Working alongside a major Indonesia airline, I have witnessed many, many safety, security, procedural breaches, ranging from management to crew. You couldn't make some of these stories up.

 

[newone]

here's the info on the lease

"The flight was operated by a Airbus A320 that was delivered to AirAsia in late 2008 and leased from Doric. The aircraft, with registration PK-AXC has two CFM International CFM56-5B6/3 engines. AirAsia Group has 169 Airbus A320-200 aircraft in its fleet with another 58 on order.''

http://airwaysnews.com/blog/2014/12/27/breaking-air-asia-8501-loses-contact-with-atc/

http://www.doric.com/

 

[newone]

all of the press releases from airasia

http://qz8501.airasia.com/index.html

 

[Peliman]

I can't say it's an official recording yet but it appears the Black Box recording has been leaked. I'll post it but subject to verification.

URGENT: AirAsia QZ 8501 Black Box Voice Record (Raw Record)



This is not the real recording, this is an internet hoax

 

[SouthAussie]

The ships are all going home, except the Chinese will stay for a while. And there is an official word of gratitude.


"The Singaporean and US ships will leave the SAR operations tomorrow (Jan 15)" ....

Previously, Japanese ships consisting of JS Ohnami and JS Takanami under the Sixth Division of Japan Maritime Self-Defence Force, have left the mission.

Russian ships and a Singaporean ship have also returned home after evacuating debris and some victims of AirAsia QZ8501 several days ago.

An aircraft from South Korea left on Monday and two Malaysian ships went home on Tuesday, Antara said.

"Officially, we would like to express our gratitude to those countries helping us so far," Soelistyo said.

http://www.malaysiandigest.com/fron...s-leave-airasia-qz8501-search-operations.html

 

[SouthAussie]

Safety committee head Tatang Kurniadi said that 174 hours of data had been downloaded from the flight data recorder, and two hours and four minutes from the cockpit voice recorder. The data must be converted into a usable format before the lengthy analysis process can begin.

http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/tra...for-victims-in-crashed-airasia-jets-main-body

 

[SouthAussie]

Divers headed for the main section in the morning but bad weather and high waves meant they had to suspend the operation without being able to assess the condition of the wreckage ... Some divers descended again in the afternoon.

http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/tra...for-victims-in-crashed-airasia-jets-main-body

 

[lizzybeth]

I can't say it's an official recording yet but it appears the Black Box recording has been leaked. I'll post it but subject to verification.

URGENT: AirAsia QZ 8501 Black Box Voice Record (Raw Record)




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8agL0N9Hcvs

I'm on the verge of tears after listening to that. It affected me so much more than I thought it would. It does sound as though they tried until the last minute to save those passengers and that plane. Rest in peace.

 

[Peliman]

I'm on the verge of tears after listening to that. It affected me so much more than I thought it would. It does sound as though they tried until the last minute to save those passengers and that plane. Rest in peace.

I agree they were trying, it all happened so quick. I've listened 3 or 4 times now trying to take it all in.

 

[skibaboo]

I can't say it's an official recording yet but it appears the Black Box recording has been leaked. I'll post it but subject to verification.

URGENT: AirAsia QZ 8501 Black Box Voice Record (Raw Record)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8agL0N9Hcvs

It's not the audio from the CVR of Air Asia QZ 8501 , it's from the CVR of Adam Air 574.

Listen and compare... ADAM's Air Black Box Audio

 

[Peliman]

It's not the audio from the CVR of Air Asia QZ 8501 , it's from the CVR of Adam Air 574.

Listen and compare... ADAM's Air Black Box Audio

Thanks, I'll edit my post. I despise some people on the net sometimes.

 

[Hatfield]

Sounds like an assessment or the fuselage is on-going.

An advance team of 15 divers plunged into the water early Thursday to examine the main portion of the jet, S.B. Supriyadi, a rescue agency official coordinating the search, told AFP.

"They will first assess how many bodies are still trapped inside the fuselage," he said, adding that about 100 more divers would join the effort after the initial assessment.

"Hopefully we can retrieve all the victims as soon as possible."

Just 50 bodies have so far been recovered.

National search and rescue chief Bambang Soelistyo previously said that if divers had problems retrieving bodies from the wreckage while it is still on the seabed, officials would try to lift it.

http://www.straitstimes.com/news/as...main-body-plane-20150115#sthash.sDTK2bm1.dpuf

Hello everyone. Thanks for keeping up with the case. Been sidetracked with other cases and just getting back.

If the fusalage contains lots of bodies I suspect they will raise the fusalage because I think it would be too dangerous to try to do a lot of unbuckling while in the fusalage. There may be sharp bits of metal that could cut through a divers air hose or something.

It will all depend on how accessable the inner part of the fusalage is and how much sharp metal and how many people in there.