Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered #3

[PrairieWind]

Icing did not cause plane to crash, says chief investigator quoted in article below. So is it a possibility the pilots may have tried to climb above some severe turbulence, although the control tower instructed them not to? Interesting article, also touching on the survivability of passengers.





See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big...t-cause-plane-crash-says#sthash.M9VCAZ9q.dpuf

Thats interesting. So did the pilots institute the climb regardless of ATC's denial? If so, why so sudden and steep? Did the computer malfunction and cause the climb? The timing in regards to the request to climb in altitude is suspicious. But these were experienced pilots who would have had to have known the plane couldn't climb that fast without stalling. I don't buy the updraft theory, the pilots could have handles that. I am guessing there was either a computer or flight control malfunction.

 

[Snoods]

Thats interesting. So did the pilots institute the climb regardless of ATC's denial? If so, why so sudden and steep? Did the computer malfunction and cause the climb? The timing in regards to the request to climb in altitude is suspicious. But these were experienced pilots who would have had to have known the plane couldn't climb that fast without stalling. I don't buy the updraft theory, the pilots could have handles that. I am guessing there was either a computer or flight control malfunction.

BBM It just seems like a huge coincidence that moments after the pilot makes a request to climb above severe turbulence that's exactly what the plane ends up doing, ya know? Well, attempts to do...

 

[Snoods]

Divers Enter Crashed Airasia Plane's Fuselage for First Time

"Today we have evacuated six bodies from inside the fuselage," Supriyadi said. "Some other bodies are still there but their position among other debris made it difficult for our divers."

A total of 65 bodies have now been recovered from AirAsia Flight 8501 ......

http://www.newindianexpress.com/wor...-for-First-Time/2015/01/23/article2633657.ece


Earlier articles from Friday are indicating that they retrieved 4 of the people outside the fuselage among the debris, so presumably 2 are from inside - but a mass of cables and debris are preventing them from getting further into the fuselage.

So they've finally breached the fuselage, that's good news.

I read an interesting article about the divers the other day and what they were going through, let me see if I can find it. (Well, it's interesting to me anyway, but I geek out over this stuff lol).

ETA: Here it is:

For the team of volunteers and search-and-rescue divers, scouring the seabed for wreckage and victims from AirAsia Flight 8501 has been emotionally painful and rife with hazards—including an encounter with a shark.

“I’m a little bit afraid but I have to do this,” said Priyo Prayudha Utama, 23, a diver with Indonesia’s National Search and Rescue Agency. “We have to think about the victims and the families of the victims.”

At times, the currents have been running at as much as five knots, sometimes stronger near the surface, at other times strongest at the bottom. In those conditions, he said, “moving 20 meters underwater is like a marathon run.”

Poor divers, my heart goes out to them

Read more: http://www.wsj.com/articles/divers-face-down-fear-in-search-for-airasia-jets-victims-1421843207

 

[SouthAussie]

BBM It just seems like a huge coincidence that moments after the pilot makes a request to climb above severe turbulence that's exactly what the plane ends up doing, ya know? Well, attempts to do...

I have visions of them approaching a massive wall of horribleness and trying frantically to escape it, with disastrous results. They may well have been damned if they did, damned if they didn't.

 

[Snoods]

And thanks for all of the recent posts :seeya: (Evidently we are having thanks issues. The thanks and the thanks button seem to have disappeared completely - has happened on all the threads that I visit, and others are reporting it too.)

Where's my thanks button!

I feel nakey without it lol

ETA: Yay! Just came back!

 

[SouthAussie]

So they've finally breached the fuselage, that's good news.

I read an interesting article about the divers the other day and what they were going through, let me see if I can find it. (Well, it's interesting to me anyway, but I geek out over this stuff lol).

ETA: Here it is:


Poor divers, my heart goes out to them

Read more: http://www.wsj.com/articles/divers-face-down-fear-in-search-for-airasia-jets-victims-1421843207

They really are very unprotected down there. I just wish there was some way of getting down there to do the work relatively safely.

 

[Snoods]

I have visions of them approaching a massive wall of horribleness and trying frantically to escape it, with disastrous results. They may well have been damned if they did, damned if they didn't.

That's a good way of describing it SA, and that's what I think too. I don't think they felt they had any alternative. Just my humble opinion, though.

 

[Snoods]

They really are very unprotected down there. I just wish there was some way of getting down there to do the work relatively safely.

The part where he compared moving 20 meters to a marathon run was an eye opener for me; I really hadn't thought about it being that difficult until I read that. I kind of just imagined them easily gliding along...tra la la.

 

[neverletgo]

Where's my thanks button!

I feel nakey without it lol

ETA: Yay! Just came back!

I know right! I use it interchangeably to say thanks, or I like this post, I agree with this post, etc. It was driving me batty the short time it was gone while they were doing tech updates. :scared:

:giggle:

:gthanks: for all the posts in this thread this morning while it was gone!

 

[MsFacetious]

He also rejected speculation that passengers could have survived as the plane could have landed on water before sinking. "A stall was what happened, it is not what caused (the crash)... Does it make a difference to the survivability of this accident? If we look at the wreckage, we see the tail has been ripped off and you see extensive damage. It is not survivable in my opinion."

http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big...t-qz8501-icing-did-not-cause-plane-crash-says

Someone tell that to the 50 survivors of Ethiopian Air 961.
Most of the ones who DID die, did so because they inflated their life jackets IN the plane.

The cockpit and the tail both were torn off in the impact.
People were thrown hundreds of feet out of the plane, still in their seats.
They survived because rescue came quickly. :twocents:

From what we have seen of the remnants of AirAsia, it broke up similarly to 961.
The entire documentary is on the right if anyone is interested.
This video is only a few minutes and totally worth watching to understand what can be survived. :twocents:

I realize people don't want to believe there was survivors who died waiting for rescue.
However, past aviation crashes show us that is likely what happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob8nE4f2ZWc

 

[Snoods]

The Ethiopian crash was more of a controlled ditching though, correct? The pilots had control of the plane until it runs out of gas, then it actually glides onto the water. It looks as if it will actually make a successful water ditch for a second, but it's wing catches the water.

Our plane here seems to have dropped thousands of feet per minute straight down, perhaps gaining control at the last moments, but a lot less survivable IMO. I'm not saying there were no survivors here, quite possibly there were. I could be incorrect, but IMO there are differences between the two.

Video of the Ethiopian Air crash:

[video=youtu;zA5FMFVbVZ0]http://youtu.be/zA5FMFVbVZ0[/video]

 

[emirates1957]

So they've finally breached the fuselage, that's good news.

I read an interesting article about the divers the other day and what they were going through, let me see if I can find it. (Well, it's interesting to me anyway, but I geek out over this stuff lol).

ETA: Here it is:





Poor divers, my heart goes out to them

Read more: http://www.wsj.com/articles/divers-face-down-fear-in-search-for-airasia-jets-victims-1421843207

You have to take your hat off to those divers retrieving the deceased. I wonder if the search and rescue team, have debriefing, counselling etc available to them.

 

[MsFacetious]

The video I linked isn't long and it shows the crash as well as explains it.
It also shows an animation so you can see exactly HOW it broke up.

They ran out of gas at 21,000 feet.
It was a last minute choice to go over the water.
The reason was to be close to the beach for rescue.

It actually wasn't the wing clipping the water that flipped it.
The ENGINE clipped a coral reef, flipping the plane.
Then the cockpit and tail were torn off.

I am not claiming the crashes are the same.
I am simply pointing out the survivability of each.
If you look at the wreckage of both planes they are quite similar.
That is what I am looking at, the wreckage.

We've seen wreckage from planes who fell from altitude, breaking apart on the way down.
The wreckage of Air France 447 is a good comparison. It was in much smaller pieces.
This wreckage is just different. IMO they had to have regained some control.
The WRECKAGE when compared with other planes is consistent with crashes that had survivors. :twocents:

The Ethiopian crash was more of a controlled ditching though, correct? The pilots had control of the plane until it runs out of gas, then it actually glides onto the water. It looks as if it will actually make a successful water ditch for a second, but it's wing catches the water.

Our plane here seems to have dropped thousands of feet per minute straight down, perhaps gaining control at the last moments, but a lot less survivable IMO. I'm not saying there were no survivors here, quite possibly there were. I could be incorrect, but IMO there are differences between the two.

 

[Snoods]

Thank you for the explanation, MsFacetious, I understand what you are saying now. The wreckage does seems similar.

 

[watcher9]

So they've finally breached the fuselage, that's good news.

I read an interesting article about the divers the other day and what they were going through, let me see if I can find it. (Well, it's interesting to me anyway, but I geek out over this stuff lol).

ETA: Here it is:





Poor divers, my heart goes out to them

Read more: http://www.wsj.com/articles/divers-face-down-fear-in-search-for-airasia-jets-victims-1421843207

I'm sorry I couldn't access the link without a subscription though I can imagine how they must feel. The sight of the bodies after this long would be a nightmare in itself, and being in the water with low visibility and sharks showing up would also seem terrifying to me. Would the sharks be attracted to the victims as food?

 

[Snoods]

I'm sorry I couldn't access the link without a subscription though I can imagine how they must feel. The sight of the bodies after this long would be a nightmare in itself, and being in the water with low visibility and sharks showing up would also seem terrifying to me. Would the sharks be attracted to the victims as food?

Well shoot, sorry about that. When I found the article directly I didn't need a subscription, but when you go to the article through my link it's subscription only.How strange... :scared:

That's was my first thought about the shark as well, but the diver said there were no bodies found where the shark was seen. If you want to read the article google "AirAsia divers face down fear" and you should be able to read it directly without a problem, watcher9.

 

[Snoods]

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'Am I Going Down?' New app analyzes the odds of your plane crashing.

If you're flying on a Boeing 777 Cathay Pacific flight from Hong Kong to Los Angeles on any given day, there's a one in 4,068,434 chance that your plane will crash.

"For my analysis I only include crashes where there was at least one passenger fatality -- which is the relevant stat for those with a fear of flying," says Johns.

"I then incorporate the volume of flights, weighted to the most recent 10 years, to provide the final 'one in a million' statistics."

More at link: http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/22/travel/flight-crash-app/

 

[Snoods]

Search team working to float the main wreckage today.

The bid came a day after divers were able to enter the main section of the jet, which crashed in the Java Sea last month, for the first time.

Difficult weather conditions for the past week had stopped rescuers reaching the main part of the Airbus A320-200 since it was spotted on the seabed by a military vessel earlier this month.

“We have begun the operation today to lift the main body and we hope we can float it today,” S.B. Supriyadi, a rescue agency official, told AFP.

Just after dawn, divers began descending to the sea floor to tie floatation bags to the fuselage, said Rasyid Kacong, the navy official overseeing the lifting operation from onboard the Banda Aceh warship.

But the team failed to float the main body on the first attempt, as the ropes snapped off before the fuselage could be brought to the surface.

“We are now trying again and it is in the process,” Kacong said.

http://www.nst.com.my/node/70798

 

[Dr. Know?]

Not sure about authenticity, but here's a Star article.

AirAsia QZ8501: Search teams attempting to raise fuselage, four bodies found

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nati...selage/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[Dr. Know?]

May all the luck of good weather be with them. It sounds promising.