Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered #3

[Snoods]

I don't actively avoid airbus aircraft for safety concerns. I think all things considered, they are very safe in normal conditions. If I was going to fly in an area where I knew there would be a storm I might be more concerned, especially at night. Seems that some of these incidents occur because the pilot and computer disagree and are based on incorrect data. If the pilot has no visual ability to see what is going on (night or in a storm) he must trust the instruments. And since the computer controls and is controlled by the instruments, a malfunction can be disasterous. I am not a pilot, but that is basically what I believe happened with AF 447.

I agree with you 100% Prariewind. I won't fly at night, that's my only "demand" when I fly. I have a huge fear of flying and what you say above is correct.

 

[PrairieWind]

I actually enjoy flying at night. It jsut seems calmer on the plane, and I like to look out and see the lights below and/or the dark rural areas. That actual flying part of air travel I enjoy. Its the getting in and out of the airport and through security that I hate!!

It will be interesting to see in the end what caused the plane to suddenly climb. That certainly set in motion the chain of events that led to the disaster. But what caused that? Computer error? Incorrect input? Ice on pitot or control service? I just can't see that pilot error did that unless they pilots somehow incorrectly input information into the computer. CNN needs to get that reporter back to the simulator with an airbus pilot this time.

 

[Snoods]

But if it's night and I fall asleep who is going to hold the plane up? My death grips are the only thing keeping that baby aloft. People's very lives depend on me.

 

[PrairieWind]

Good point Snoods. Stay vigilant. I have never really been able to sleep on a plane. Just not comfortable enough. I slept on a trans-Atlantic flight good once, but that was largely alcohol assisted.

 

[Snoods]

Good point Snoods. Stay vigilant. I have never really been able to sleep on a plane. Just not comfortable enough. I slept on a trans-Atlantic flight good once, but that was largely alcohol assisted.

Thank you, I thought you'd change your tune after realizing their was Science (heehee) involved. And wine helps too!

 

[Dr. Know?]

And then there's this.

AirAsia QZ8501: Co-pilot likely at helm before crash, says report

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nati...sh/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Asia Pacific

QZ8501 co-pilot likely at helm before crash: Report

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news...t-likely-at/1622806.html#.VMmcym5PP8Y.twitter

 

[Dr. Know?]

From the link above

The National Search and Rescue Agency (Basarnas) said it will continue to look for the wreckage and remaining bodies on Saturday, after the military withdrew from joint search and recovery efforts a month after the crash.

By law, operations will be reviewed after seven days if no bodies are found, and Basarnas will have to consult with related parties on whether to continue with the search. - The Straits Times/ANN

I don't think a family member would agree with this decision or tolerate it, even by law. jmo smdh

Isn't it quite a while before the monsoons clear out? I've read August was a good time and the sea is calm? For the families, I sure to hope they get a whole lot of support and help. Step up AA & Malaysia, obviously Indonesia is done almost... jmo

 

[itzkatiex0]

Well at least they are going to keep looking for victims. At least until the 7 day operation review. Even then they should keep looking.

I've only flown a handful of times.. And I was petrified. All times were after 9/11. The very first time I stepped foot on a plane, it was one of those small planes that only had 2 rows of seats on each side. Then I flew across the country (home, then to and fro). Once I'm in the air I'm okay but take off and landing were so stressful. If I ever choose to return to Ca (in Fl now), I'm driving. I have such bad anxiety about flying.

I mainly just pray that those families can grieve properly and find some send of closure.

 

[emirates1957]

And then there's this.

AirAsia QZ8501: Co-pilot likely at helm before crash, says report

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nati...sh/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Asia Pacific

QZ8501 co-pilot likely at helm before crash: Report

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news...t-likely-at/1622806.html#.VMmcym5PP8Y.twitter

Normally in a situation like that the Capt would say "taking control" and would take over. Both pilots would be/should be monitoring their instruments regularly. Given the severe weather conditions, I'm hoping the Capt would have been all over it. It is quite normal for Capt to be the PIC pilot in control, fly one sector, and the FO fly the other. What's not normal is leaving 92 bodies at the bottom of the ocean !!!!!!

 

[SouthAussie]

Plane took three minutes to fall into sea.

Mardjono Siswosuwarno, head investigator for the KNKT, said the flight data recorder provided a “pretty clear picture” of what happened in the last moments ..

..... it ascended to about 37,400 ft in about 30 seconds.

It took another 30 seconds to return to 32,000 ft, after which it started falling slowly, taking about three minutes to plunge into the sea.

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2015/01/29/AirAsia-Flight-QZ8501/

 

[SouthAussie]

Many divers had to be hospitalised for serious decompression sickness after spending days in the sea, the military said.

Indonesia's search and rescue agency says 92 victims still missing after an AirAsia plane crash could have been swept away or be lost on the seabed.

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/worl...8/airasia-crash-preliminary-report-filed.html

 

[emirates1957]

Thanks SA…just had a read. The article mentions the fuselage is as fragile as a cracker ???? Planes are built to withstand rain, hail, ice fly 1,000 of kms monthly at high altitude. Certainly the fuselage might have been compromised due to a month on a sea bed, but to compare it to a CRACKER. As for the decompression sickness wouldn't the divers be rotated, surely they would know what decompression stops to make when they ascend. A good diver shouldn't get decompression sickness - unless they don't have enough to go around. It sounds like spin.

 

[SouthAussie]

I'm not convinced of the following either ... unless people fell out of the fuselage during the recovery debacle. I think it all just got too hard for their primitive methods, and for some unknown reason they didn't want help from anyone.

..... 92 victims still missing ... “They could be on the seabed, or have been swept away by waves and currents,” S.B. Supriyadi, a search and rescue agency official who has been coordinating the hunt, told AFP.

http://www.ttrweekly.com/site/2015/01/hopes-fade-on-finding-crash-victims/

 

[gregjrichards]

Thanks for all your updates they are much appreciated I hope and pray they keep searching for the remains and don't give up retrieving the wreckage for good.

Off topic - Important information about MH370 just in case anyone is interested. I've just posted it in the MH370 forum.

The Malaysian government has officially declared the disappearance of Malaysian Airline flight MH370 an accident and has said that there were no survivors.

No trace of the Beijing-bound aircraft has been found since it disappeared on 8 March 2014.

Officials said that the recovery operation is ongoing but that the 239 people onboard are now presumed dead.

The plane's whereabouts are still unknown despite a massive international search in the southern Indian Ocean.

The declaration on Thursday should allow compensation payments to relatives of the victims.

Malaysian officials added that the recovery of the missing aircraft remained a priority and that they have pursued "every credible lead".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-31039460

 

[PrairieWind]

I was watching CNN last night, but only half paying attention. But I thought one of the people they interviewed suggested that recovery of the fusilage and cockpit etc would be done in the summer when the sea there is much calmer. That its just too rough now. That would maybe make sense.

 

[CARIIS]

I actually enjoy flying at night. It jsut seems calmer on the plane, and I like to look out and see the lights below and/or the dark rural areas. That actual flying part of air travel I enjoy. Its the getting in and out of the airport and through security that I hate!!

It will be interesting to see in the end what caused the plane to suddenly climb. That certainly set in motion the chain of events that led to the disaster. But what caused that? Computer error? Incorrect input? Ice on pitot or control service? I just can't see that pilot error did that unless they pilots somehow incorrectly input information into the computer. CNN needs to get that reporter back to the simulator with an airbus pilot this time.

The drastic increase in altitude correlated to the aircraft entering the part of weather system that was about 120 degrees (yes - not a typo linked earlier) visualize aiming a giant fan undereneath the aircraft, it lurches upward, then gets to place where wind going across wings (lift) is doing no such thing - and out of the sky she falls.................................

 

[CARIIS]

This is why I refuse to fly on an Airbus.
I prefer a plane where the pilot is more in control than the computer.
DH agrees... and he is a computer guy. We will not fly on an Airbus.
We have actually CHANGED flights when the plane was going to be an Airbus. :twocents:

Airbus has created some amazing aircraft, but it is true Boeing has remained more "loyal" to at the end of the day, the flight crew can take back the aicraft. Airbus went with the focus on elimating pilot error as much as possible, but created another huge issue in that (AF is only one of them) the computer refueses to allow the crew to do certain things when IT THINKS certain things are occurring.

THe problem is as AF so clearly illustrated, if the comptuer is locking the crew out of taking action, based on incorrect realties, disaster happens

Ironically, the families first introduction to the glass cockpit concept, on her maiden flight, with thousands there for the rollout she crashed on her flyby - becasue computer thought pilot was trying to do something so it refused to let the pilot control the plane and flew it into the forest

The A320 has been very reliable in service. Many early problems were caused by pilots not being use to the new "glass cockpit" and "fly-by-wire",

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A320_family#Accidents_and_problems


Imagine, your big day, your roll out, plane full with reporters, worldwide press and this happens - it was a stunning day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kHa3WNerjU


How many of these are you interested in buying today ha!

 

[CARIIS]

I know, it's mind-boggling. That crossed my mind too emirates, about the families hiring divers on their own.

I wonder what they would have done if the plane had crashed in water too deep for divers to reach it? Another 30 feet or so and I guess there wouldn't have been ANY wreckage or victims recovered unless they were floating on the surface.

I hate to say but the fact that both recorders were found and working, in reality reduces the "want" for the fuelage. This is more political stuff claiming to keep trying. Money rules all, at the end of the day, and all liability stuff will be cleared up with black box data- that is just how it works.

The fact that they dropped the thing, certainly reduces the"value" of getting it up forensically both in terms of impact sequence, and in therms of human forensics that can "tell' many secrets, but not if they have been shaken and dropped.

I think they may quitely quit, if they contrinue having issues

 

[CARIIS]

Matt Young ‏@MattYoung · 1h1 hour ago
#BREAKING AirAsia confirms Indonesian Navy withdraws from recovery of #QZ8501 fuselage. "No remains are left inside".

https://twitter.com/search?q=qz8501&src=savs

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I kind of think here the truth is after a violent impact, sitting in sea water, and the destruction that does to human beings, and then being dragged about, i think there are no other bodies is actually "code" for no bodies in any condition to be "remains" as oppossed to peieces, I think that is the sad reality IMO

 

[CARIIS]

If accurate the first 8 seconds are amazing shot of the fueelage on the ocean floor - but I dont see Air Asia markings?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzPXUqfl_mg