Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered

[skibaboo]

James Reynolds ‏@EarthUncutTV
Satellite image around time #AirAsia flight went missing, very vigorous thunderstorms (black) north of Surabaya



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[Elainera]

IIRC, it depends on the situation.
I know in the Hudson River landing, the airtight seals couldn't be activated because the plane was falling at too fast of a speed for them to be activated in time.
I don't know the situation with this plane though. But if the reports of a storm are true and the plane fell from the sky due to it, I don't know of the airtight seals would have had time to be activated.
IMO.

From that height, the plane would have broken apart when hitting the water.

 

[Elley Mae]

This may be a silly or already answered question, but, pray tell, what is a mangosteen? Thanks in advance!

The story.

https://www.veooz.com/news/CG_5CCS.html

 

[ilovepierre]

This may be a silly or already answered question, but, pray tell, what is a mangosteen? Thanks in advance!

It's a fruit that is native to the Indonesian area.
There were crates of these fruits on the Malaysian Airlines plane and a lot of us speculated that there were explosives placed in the crates.
So if it turns out that were also mangosteens on THIS plane, it makes this situation even weirder...

 

[ilovepierre]

From that height, the plane would have broken apart when hitting the water.

So the airtight seals would have been ineffective even if they had been activated?

 

[Skittles]

BBM

I agree. My understanding is a very low angle of pitch is required for a successful ditch.

I found a blog that says Airbus recommends 11 degrees of pitch. Are we allowed to post links to non-MSM blogs?

 

[ilovepierre]

The aircraft disappeared from radar observations at 6:18 a.m., he said, and air traffic control officers monitored the presence of the plane until 7:55 a.m.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/27/world/asia/airasia-missing-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1



I can't make that sentence compute.

So the plane disappeared from radar at 6:18, yet ATC officers could still track the plane up until 7:55?
That doesn't make much sense to me.
:waitasec:

 

[ilovepierre]

I found a blog that says Airbus recommends 11 degrees of pitch. Are we allowed to post links to non-MSM blogs?

I don't think so.
Ask a mod! They'll be able to tell you.

 

[gregjrichards]

James Reynolds ‏@EarthUncutTV
Satellite image around time #AirAsia flight went missing, very vigorous thunderstorms (black) north of Surabaya

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I think questions are going to be asked whether any planes should be flying in weather this bad. I know planes fly in bad weather all the time but the weather is particularly and seriously bad in this region in December. I don't blame them for calling off the search if more lives will be put in jeopardy. The poor passengers, crew and their families are in my prayers tonight.

Thanks for all your updates and posts everyone you are an exceptional source of information as always.

 

[gitana1]

They would refer to their checklist.

I've read some of the texts of audio in the cockpit as a plane is crashing. When you're plummeting Out of the sky at hundreds of miles per hour, there isn't often time to calmly go through a checklist. It's simply a physical fight to stay aloft at that point.

 

[Elainera]

So the airtight seals would have been ineffective even if they had been activated?

I would strongly assume that.

So the plane disappeared from radar at 6:18, yet ATC officers could still track the plane up until 7:55?
That doesn't make much sense to me.
:waitasec:

I agree, it doesn't make sense. Something is muddled up in that sentence (cnn's, not yours).

Maybe it was meant to be: they lost radio contact at 6:18 but were still able to follow the plane on radar until 7:55?

 

[trigger]

So it's 12:38am there and the sun comes up around 600am.

So hopefully we can get some answers by dinner time.

Prayers for the families.

 

[jslk]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30615389

"The British national on board missing AirAsia flight QZ8501 is Chi-Man Choi, the BBC understands.

It is thought he was with his two-year-old daughter on the plane, which was flying from Indonesia to Singapore with 162 people on board when it went missing in the early hours of Sunday."

 

[SCHMAE]

So it's 12:38am there and the sun comes up around 600am.

So hopefully we can get some answers by dinner time.

Prayers for the families.

If it's crashed near the island, then debris should be easy enough to spot at dawn.

 

[panthera]

If it's crashed near the island, then debris should be easy enough to spot at dawn.

Praying that will be the case.
raying:

 

[michmi]

I've been on Tomnod off and on all day just to see if they have any debris-spotting mission yet but they don't. They may only get something together if there isn't any apparent debris spotted with planes.

 

[gregjrichards]

I've read some of the texts of audio in the cockpit as a plane is crashing. When you're plummeting Out of the sky at hundreds of miles per hour, there isn't often time to calmly go through a checklist. It's simply a physical fight to stay aloft at that point.

In AF447 the Air France plane that stalled in the sky the pilots were in panic mode and couldn't right the situation. There has been discussion and concern on the airliners.net forum that pilots are seriously unprepared for exceptional events such as stalling and are over reliant on auto pilot.

 

[skibaboo]

What Happened To Flight QZ8501? Five Theories

Aviation experts give their views on how QZ8501 disappeared from radar screens over the Java Sea on a routine short-haul flight.

Mechanical Failure
Hit By Storms
Stalled By Ice
Deliberate Act
Pilot Error

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30614627

"Indonesian media say more than 160 people were on board the Airbus A320-200.

The aircraft, flight number QZ8501, lost contact with air traffic control at 07:24 (00:24 GMT), AirAsia tweeted.

The company said that search and rescue operations were under way for the missing plane.

An official with the transport ministry, Hadi Mustofa, told local media the plane lost contact over the Java Sea, which lies between Surabaya and Singapore.

He said the plane had asked for an unusual route before it lost contact.

AirAsia have given few other details."

BBM...

I apologize if this has been discussed at length... I am way behind in the thread...:seeya:

the announcement that the pilot requested an "unusual" course is puzzling...

If the plane needed to detour over or around thunderstorms, I do not imagine that the requested modified course would be "unusual".... But rather "expected"...

All... JMO...

 

[ilovepierre]

I think questions are going to be asked whether any planes should be flying in weather this bad. I know planes fly in bad weather all the time but the weather is particularly and seriously bad in this region in December. I don't blame them for calling off the search if more lives will be put in jeopardy. The poor passengers, crew and their families are in my prayers tonight.

Thanks for all your updates and posts everyone you are an exceptional source of information as always.

Well I know if there are really bad storms (whether snow or rain) in the area I live in, flights are all cancelled until the weather is clear.
Not sure why the same safety measures aren't taken over in that area.