Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered

[RT51]

The Chief Purser would be aware of the common language from the passenger manifest to make the appropriate announcement in an emergency. And yes standard procedures would go out of the window. If these pax were not wearing life jackets or oxygen masks you would assume that this was an unprepared emergency that was imminent and catastrophic. Let's hope the black box can reveal the time the skipper asked to ascend and the moment he lost contact with ATC.

Thank you. I am trained on how to deal with a catastrophic event as it/after it happens, but I have no knowledge what actually happens in the aircraft. (and I hope I never have to deal with such an event either.)

 

[emirates1957]

wouldn't sudden and harsh descent also activate oxygen automatically? (I don't know) -- that's when I would be reaching under my seat....:blushing:

Yes absolutely oxygen masks would drop automatically however the "g" force from the event would render passengers most likely incapable of executing the fitment of their life jackets or fitment of oxy masks.

 

[restarea]

Images on Indonesian television showed a half-naked bloated body bobbing in the sea. Search and rescue teams were lowered on ropes from a hovering helicopter to retrieve the corpses.

As family members of the plane's passengers sat together in a waiting room at Surabaya airport, they watched the graphic details on television. Many screamed and wailed uncontrollably, breaking down in tears while they squeezed each other. One middle-aged man collapsed and was rushed from the room on a stretcher.

I hope that man is okay.

 

[emirates1957]

Thank you. I am trained on how to deal with a catastrophic event as it/after it happens, but I have no knowledge what actually happens in the aircraft. (and I hope I never have to deal with such an event either.)

I take my hat off to you. You should feel very proud to be able to deal with those problems. Hopefully they are few and far between.

 

[emirates1957]

Thank you. I am trained on how to deal with a catastrophic event as it/after it happens, but I have no knowledge what actually happens in the aircraft. (and I hope I never have to deal with such an event either.)

RT51…would that be Kenyon Emergency Services ?

 

[newone]

http://www.corerfid.com/Files/Case Studies/106 Thomas Cook Life Vest Case Study.pdf

interesting article on ''end of life'' monitoring of safety equipment on aircraft....new life vests etc will have RFID to allow speedier audits of aircraft equipment

from this article, author indicates that sometimes people actually steal life vests as a souvenir!! so if an aircraft is being used several times a day, missing vests may go unnoticed. Even when Hudson miracle occurred, many passengers left plane without their lifevests according to this article.

"Only a small fraction of the passengers on US Airways Flight 1549 bothered to grab their life vests when Captain Sullenberger ditched his Airbus A320 into the Hudson River."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-hobica/the-things-airlines-dont-_b_2572829.html

 

[RT51]

No, I work in NH, USA for an airport as an emergency dispatcher. 15 years of training under my belt, and so far, we have not had any accidents.

 

[RT51]

I take my hat off to you. You should feel very proud to be able to deal with those problems. Hopefully they are few and far between.

Equivalent to a 911 dispatcher except my little town is an airport. I deal with LEO calls, medical and fire dispatch, as well as other codes such as environmental spills, etc. (And general customer service, like lost and found, lost people, etc.) I also monitor security cameras, and door alarms. It can be very busy, and of course working along side the TSA is always fun. (Sorry, didn't mean to get off topic)

 

[newone]

http://www.dpa-international.com/ne...n-top-german-insurer-to-three-a-43739522.html

off topic for some:

always follow the money......

lead insurer is Allianz and shares in Allianz took a big hit with the Air Asia claim filed 29 December -- filed right away didn't lose time on that.....

and coincidentally this is the third big loss as MAL also was insured with Allianz

""We can confirm that as Allianz Global Corporate & Specialty, we are the lead re-insurer for AirAsia," it said in a statement, adding that the policies covered both the plane hull and liability"

and

''Germany's DAX index was down 0.8 per cent during early afternoon trading.''

 

[emirates1957]

http://www.corerfid.com/Files/Case Studies/106 Thomas Cook Life Vest Case Study.pdf

interesting article on ''end of life'' monitoring of safety equipment on aircraft....new life vests etc will have RFID to allow speedier audits of aircraft equipment

from this article, author indicates that sometimes people actually steal life vests as a souvenir!! so if an aircraft is being used several times a day, missing vests may go unnoticed. Even when Hudson miracle occurred, many passengers left plane without their lifevests according to this article.

"Only a small fraction of the passengers on US Airways Flight 1549 bothered to grab their life vests when Captain Sullenberger ditched his Airbus A320 into the Hudson River."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-hobica/the-things-airlines-dont-_b_2572829.html

Absolutely agree, life jackets are removed by passengers frequently, due to the cost i.e. people who are into boating will often remove a life jacket. Cabin Crew checks (with us) is to visually identify that every life jacket is under each seat. We cannot identify this physically by touching as many passengers may place a needle stick in the jacket. A report must be made to the Captain that cabin checks are complete. I believe on the Hudson (a video we play to Flight and Cabin Crew in Emergency Procedures Training) deemed that he did not call for an unprepared ditching …. aviation mantra is to ….Aviate Navigate and Communicate, nor did he pull the ditch switch in the Flight Deck consequently the aft of the aircraft began to sink. Simply text book flying by one amazing aviator.

 

[emirates1957]

Equivalent to a 911 dispatcher except my little town is an airport. I deal with LEO calls, medical and fire dispatch, as well as other codes such as environmental spills, etc. (And general customer service, like lost and found, lost people, etc.) I also monitor security cameras, and door alarms. It can be very busy, and of course working along side the TSA is always fun. (Sorry, didn't mean to get off topic)

Doesn't matter how little the town. They rely on you.

 

[newone]

here's an interesting take on the competitiveness of the airline industry in that part of the world vis a vis low cost carriers and why accidents happen in that part of the world

"Some low-cost carriers seem particularly strapped trying to find quality staff and allegedly push their pilots and crew to work too many hours in order to run so many flights. Indonesian carrier Lion Air has had at least three of its pilots arrested for crystal methamphetamine use since 2011; crystal meth is a stimulant that can be used to stay awake and alert''

http://www.businessweek.com/article...ters-keep-happening-in-southeast-asia#r=lr-sr

 

[SouthAussie]

Looks like they have found a lot of people now ...


More than 40 bodies have been retrieved in the search for the AirAsia jet, the Indonesian navy has said as debris spotted in Indonesia’s Java Sea was confirmed as belonging to the plane.

http://www.maltatoday.com.mt/news/w...irasia_flight_after_debris_spotted#.VKJ3L14DQ


“Based on the navy radio, it has been reported that the warship Bung Tomo has retrieved 40 bodies and the number is growing. They are very busy now,” Mr Manahan Simorangkir said.

It is trying to rescue other bodies being tossed by strong waves, reported Detik.com.

http://www.straitstimes.com/news/as...-missing-air-asia-flight#sthash.Kb7j3tL7.dpuf

 

[restarea]

With so many bodies floating around and some of them missing their clothes, I wonder if the plane broke apart in the air? I'm trying to understand how their clothes would be torn off if the plane was intact when it hit the water.

 

[SouthAussie]

Mr Hansford said veteran pilots called the area where the plane vanished, over the Java sea, the "thunderstorm factory".

He said most flights went around the area, not through it.

http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...shed-due-to-human-factors#0ZigDbR0YFMUJYFR.99

 

[SouthAussie]

A female AirAsia officer shouted at the television media for showing footage of a floating body, while about 200 journalists were barred from the room holding the families, the windows of which were boarded up.

"Is it possible for you not to show a picture of the dead? Please do not show a picture of a dead body," said the officer. "That's crazy."

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/12/30/relatives-distraught-bodies-found


"Words cannot express how sorry I am" AirAsia CEO apologises

http://www.newstalk.com/Some-10-pieces-of-debris-seen-during-search-for-missing-AirAsia-flight


Ohhhh ..... so, so sad for the families. :cry:

 

[emirates1957]

Mr Hansford said veteran pilots called the area where the plane vanished, over the Java sea, the "thunderstorm factory".

He said most flights went around the area, not through it.

http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...shed-due-to-human-factors#0ZigDbR0YFMUJYFR.99

Exactly you skirt, divert or return.

 

[newone]

Indonesia’s National Search and Rescue Agency reportedly said Tuesday that two emergency signals that it received were not from the missing aircraft.

http://www.ibtimes.com/airasia-flig...ng-plane-door-emergency-slide-spotted-1769424
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:waitasec: So, was there another emergency in the area? Or someone else (UAE409?) signalling an emergency? Remember they had shown UAE409 and the missing plane on a chart in relation to one another. And I remember early in the piece AirAsia saying an event had happened, and not elaborating on what the event was.

bbm: I hope we can hear more about those two signals

 

[Brightbird]

With so many bodies floating around and some of them missing their clothes, I wonder if the plane broke apart in the air? I'm trying to understand how their clothes would be torn off if the plane was intact when it hit the water.

I think being tossed around in the waves would remove the clothes too

 

[KEVINinTO]

More problems for Air Asia!

Within the last hour an Air Asia flight overshot runway at Kalibo Philippines !

https://twitter.com/jetdsantos/status/549865901596475392/photo/1