Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered

[LaLaw2000]

My concern is that we will find out some were alive in the water.
That we will discover a constant GPS ping from the plane would have saved some lives.
I hope there was no chance of saving them... that will just make it worse. :twocents:

Autopsies will certainly show if some victims drown.

BBM:

I agree with you!

 

[Dr. Know?]

Just what the airline name doesn't need right now, although AirAsia Zest.

ABC News
‏@ABC AirAsia Zest plane overshoots runway in the Philippines: http://abcn.ws/1D46SyG - @WorldNews

http://abcnews.go.com/International...-airport-runway-philippines/story?id=27894269

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/550053018800881664

 

[SouthAussie]

A fisherman saw the debris on Sunday, but did not get back to his village until Monday night ... and learned a plane had gone down.



When he arrived in his village, he heard the news about the missing Air Asia flight QZ8501. He later said he was familiar with the airline’s red logo and recalled that some of the floating objects had been red.

“I found a lot of debris – small and large - in the Tujuh islands,” Mr Taha told Tempo online.

“The largest was four metres [13 feet] long and two metres wide [seven feet]. They were red coloured with white silver. It looked like the Air Asia colours.”

Mr Taha immediately called Bagus Rai, his local police officer, and provided an account, including the location.

Officer Rai contacted the search authority, which organised an aerial search for the following morning. At 8.00am, the objects were spotted.

More air searches revealed that the objects included the exit door and were from the plane.

“The fisherman said he saw the debris looked like the body of a plane,” officer Rai told Kompas online. “He did not bring the debris back. We then planned to do the search.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/li...e-grim-task-of-recovering-bodies-and-wreckage

 

[Hatfield]

I actually remember this Hawaii plane incident where the pilot miraculously landed this plane. It was incredible as a huge chunk of the fuselage was tore off and pilot did a great job getting almost everyone home safe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxZiSSquJLY

 

[gitana1]

If they were holding hands they certainly wouldn't have remained that way while their clothes were ripped off at impact.
I haven't seen a picture that proves they were holding hands.
However, if they were the only reasonable explanation is that they did that after the impact. :twocents:

It is possible that some in an impact will be thrown out of their clothes while others remain gripped to one another. You see a lot of random things in major accident victims.

I believe the likelihood that anyone could've survived the impact to be zero. Regardless of the two stories we've heard of.

 

[SouthAussie]

Police in Indonesia have already begun collecting materials from the families of the victims, including DNA samples and fingerprints.

http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/i...ims-will-be-identified&Itemid=2#axzz3NQSCTd1k

 

[CARIIS]

my goodness looks no different than a hurricane to me on this one!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0wRv0C1wxo

In reality it is windshear - just high up! Just learned that!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCYi5Do6iP8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iag0mXhGmHc

 

[Hatfield]

I am so glad they are recovering the people for the families. This report says over 40 recovered so far just from 1 ship and I assume there is probably more when you combine all the different countries and different boats involved with recovery operations.

“Based on the navy radio, it has been reported that the warship Bung Tomo has retrieved 40 bodies and the number is growing,” he said. “They are very busy now.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-flight-qz8501-teams-retrieve-bodies-java-sea

 

[SouthAussie]

USS Sampson arrived on station in the Java Sea in the early afternoon on Dec. 30 and began assisting in the search at the request of the Indonesian government. The ship’s MH-60R search and rescue helicopters launched to assist in the search efforts and the crews discovered debris late on the 30th. The ship and her helicopters are still on station and continuing to search. Today, Sampson is awaiting tasking from the Indonesian authorities to determine the continued recovery plan.

USS Fort Worth, the littoral combat ship deployed to 7th Fleet, is in port in Singapore. She is prepared to aide in search efforts if her assistance is requested. U.S. 7th Fleet and U.S. Pacific Fleet continue to evaluate ships, aircraft and support units in the area that may be helpful in the search efforts, and we are taking steps to make sure they are ready if the Indonesian government requests them.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/li...e-grim-task-of-recovering-bodies-and-wreckage

 

[gitana1]

"We will focus on recovery of passengers and crew members," Mr Joko said, adding that bad weather conditions are hampering the search operations at the moment.

http://www.straitstimes.com/news/as...ecovery-victims-our-top-priority-says-preside


"It wasn't a controlled ditching," said Paul Hayes, safety director at London-based aviation consulting company Ascend Worldwide. "That's clear from the finding of bodies that don't have life jackets on."

The black boxes ...... So far, no pings have been detected, Indonesia's Air Force said.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/64564587/airasia-qz8501-search-shifts-to-black-boxes

Thanks South.

I won't quote the post that attempts to imagine in great, morbid detail what the poor passengers went through. I didn't read the whole thing (no offense!) because I try to reject the culture of fear we live in as unproductive and limiting. But I firmly disagree, having read numerous accounts of survivors of terrible catastrophes. I actually spoke to a man at great length about his surviving a deadly plane crash in Thailand. It is just not true that people experience intense suffering and panic when in such situations, IMO. Either they freeze and their mind goes blank as they cannot either fight or flight, or, if they have more time, a different sort of calm takes over:

"Disaster films convey completely the wrong view of how most people behave in these kind of situations," he says. "Hollywood shows people panicking, but my research shows that 9.9 times out of 10, people don't turn into crazed individuals, but behave quite rationally. They tend to help each other, too." http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...saster-strikes-others-how-your-brain-responds

Thus, even unrelated people hold hands and try to calm each other. Think of the people who held hands and calmly jumped from the World Trade Center.

 

[CARIIS]

It is possible that some in an impact will be thrown out of their clothes while others remain gripped to one another. You see a lot of random things in major accident victims.

I believe the likelihood that anyone could've survived the impact to be zero. Regardless of the two stories we've heard of.

I think there will be some - impact is not a like even thing, it depends on where in the plane, what was under the seat in the belly, the wingspars all sorts of things, body wieght. I think when we hear like instant death it means like within 60 seconds or you know what i mean

a couple of the space shuttle challenger astronouts were functioning until impact - they found an oxygen thing open and half empty!

At least some of the astronauts were likely alive and at least briefly conscious after the breakup, as three of the four recovered Personal Egress Air Packs (PEAPs) on the flight deck were found to have been activated. Investigators found their remaining unused air supply roughly consistent with the expected consumption during the 2 minute 45 second post-breakup trajectory.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Challenger_disaster

 

[CARIIS]

o/t uesday.While police confirm only that more than one person was killed, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC), citing unidentified sources, reported that nine were found dead at three separate and connected crime scenes.

 

[emirates1957]

Just talking to one of our Pilot's the level of speed will dictate the impact i.e. nose down much faster or if it pancaked it would be lesser. Either or both would be deadly.

 

[nrdsb4]

I hope gitana is right. I've often thought that we humans are different from many species in that we are cursed with the knowledge of the inevitability of our deaths. I could find some comfort in the notion that in this kind of situation, people might be blessed with a sense of calm. I have read that in that kind of severe incident, the body is flooded not only with adrenalin, but some other chemical (which now escapes me), which attaches to the opiate receptors in our bodies, producing similar effects of those drugs.

A close friend of a close friend of mine was stabbed multiple times by a crazed ex of his fiancee. He told my friend that he was so enveloped with a sense of calm, of peace, of pain free euphoria that he actually considered just lying on the floor and enjoying the sensations which were flooding his body. Meanwhile, his assailant was calmly getting cleaned up in his victim's shower! Finally, the friend thought of how upset his fiancee would be if he died, so he dragged himself to the phone and called 911. Fortunately he survived. I had completely forgotten about this guy until I read gitana's post, which I confess at first reading I completely rejected.

 

[Intermezzo]

o/t uesday.While police confirm only that more than one person was killed, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC), citing unidentified sources, reported that nine were found dead at three separate and connected crime scenes.

very sad day in Edmonton, Alberta
I saw the Edmonton Chief of Police give a presser that was shown on the evening news.
8 deceased (6 adults, 2 children) at 3 different locations in Edmonton and Fort Saskatchewan, 1 death was by suicide

 

[CARIIS]

Yes, I have to agree with you on this. We all want to think things go quick for people in this situation and lets hope it did, however, from that altitude there is also a chance they were well aware of what was happening. Attached is an example of what bad turbulance reaction of people on a plane.

Warning: Dont watch these types of videos if you dont want to. It has a tendency to make us more afraid to fly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c73O_XE4sbA

For me, as in my earlier post, it is the noises that i think are mortifing, replay it with out looking and only "listen", multply by 12 for these folks that is not instant stuff (the notion of this peaceful end thing) there was a whole bunch of "stuff" occurring way before what ever finally ended up happening.

We know at least 100 miles "occurred before" where they are finding stuff - now we dont know if that is the beginning, middle or end of debris trail. _ The 100 miles might take us back to inflgiht breakup, or some amazing flying skills.

that is scary stuff.

 

[CARIIS]

Statistically speaking, many survive impact. Many. The biggest cause of death, as it relates to aviation is carbon monoxide poisening. This is relevent here, only in the sense that we may have no fire, the point being impact in and of itself kills very few.

In the US alone, between 1983 and 2000, there were 568 plane crashes. Out of the collective 53,487 people onboard, 51,207 survived.
More than 95% of passengers involved in accidents on U.S. carriers between 1983 and 2000 survived, according to the NTSB.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/how-so-many-people-survive-plane-crashes-2013-7#ixzz3NQjWYbB6
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/5402342.stm

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Thank goodness they are finding some and bringing them back to their loved ones. Tragic ending, but an ending. My heart goes out to the families of not only this crash, but also the families of MH370 who still wait in limbo with no answers. Heartbreaking for all.

 

[shana]

It is unlikely that Indonesia AirAsia Flight QZ8501 exploded in mid-air, air crash experts say, as the first pieces of debris were spotted and some bodies recovered.
Chances are that the plane hit the Java Sea intact and broke up upon impact before plunging to the ocean floor.
...

Retired United States airline pilot John Cox, who runs his own consultancy, said: "I am now seeing doors and reports of a large section located on the sea floor which are indicators, but not conclusive evidence, that the plane was in one piece when it hit the ocean.
"If the wingtips, nose and tail are found in the same area, then it will be conclusive that the plane was intact upon impact with the water."

AirAsia Flight QZ8501: Unlikely that plane exploded in mid-air, say experts - See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/as...d-mid-air-say-experts-20#sthash.me4VsUgu.dpuf

 

[Snoods]

Yes, I have to agree with you on this. We all want to think things go quick for people in this situation and lets hope it did, however, from that altitude there is also a chance they were well aware of what was happening. Attached is an example of what bad turbulance reaction of people on a plane.

Warning: Dont watch these types of videos if you dont want to. It has a tendency to make us more afraid to fly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c73O_XE4sbA

That plane turned sideways! I've been in some frightening turbulence and once had a plane do the dropping straight down thing someone above was describing, but never turned sideways, yikes.