REVISIT Caylee's biological father/Reverse DNA Profile**MERGED**

[txsvicki]

I don't think Cindy could have prevented Casey from telling the father. She didn't stop her from trying to pin the pregnancy on Jesse, and if she couldn't get the truth about what happened to Caylee, there's no way she could have gotten the truth about the dad if Casey didn't want to reveal. Cindy seems to have just wanted Casey to get some education, work, and take care of her child more without sleeping over at guys' homes. Pretty reasonable expectations most mothers have IMO.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I'm sure the bio dad dodged a bullet by staying out of the picture. I can only imagine what this monstrous family would have put him through.

 

[Sparky]

But what if Bio Dad was told and denies it or doesn't care? In the State of Florida a child from a unwed couple does not have a legal Father until paternity is established. Is that fair to the child not to know who their Bio Farther is? No, but there are some out there who don't care and don't want the responsibility.

and then

Is it fair to just pick someone and name them as a Farther just because? This is someone that might change their mind and want to be with you because you say you're pregnant with "Their Child" and they are the Father? Someone that "You" want to be with and you hope a child will change their mind or out of convience.

And it works and years later the "Father" finds out he's not the "Father" then what? OR the man pays yrs of childsupport and medical for a child that's not his. The emotional toll it would take on the child, or the Father. The "Father suddenly stops seeing the child because he is not the actual Bio Father.

The person that you have named as the "Bio Father" is not really. Why should someone have to pay yrs of child support to a child that is not his, just because the Mother wants him in her childs life, her life or has thought this is a way to trap him.

Why should a guy have to have the responsibility of paying for a DNA test because the Mother names him as the Father? And what about the next guy and the next?

IMO if the couple are unwed (and the guy believes he is the Father) then a DNA test needs to be done after the child is born and before any of them leave the hospital. Signing a Paternity Acknowledgement is not good enough. Just because the Mother says you are the Father does not mean it is true.

IMO JG had enough sense to have the DNA test done and what if he hadn't. He would probably to this day believe he was Caylee's Dad. And if Caylee were alive today, would she know who her Bio Dad is? Probably not.

ETA: Which leads me to believe there was not a Paternity Acknowledgement signed, therefore no one named on the Birth Certificate as the legal Father OR the Birth Certificate was amended within the 60 days to remove JG as the Bio Father.

Establishing paternity means legally determining the father of the child. If the parents are not married to each other when the child is born, the child does not have a legal father unless paternity is established.

http://www.paternitynet.com/faq22.html

and

It's Easy to Establish Paternity

There are three simple steps to establish paternity without going to court:

Step 1: Get a form.

You can get a "paternity acknowledgment" form at a:

hospital or birthing center
county public health unit
Department of Children and Families office
Department of Revenue, Child Support Enforcement office.
Step 2: Read the form.

The form has important information you should know BEFORE you sign. Be sure you read and understand the information before you fill out and sign the form.

Step 3: Sign the form.

You must show a photo ID when you sign. After both parents sign the paternity form, your child has a legal father. If you are parents of a newborn and sign the form at a hospital or birthing center, it doesn't cost you any money. If you sign the form after you leave the hospital, you may have to pay a small fee.


What Happens after Paternity Is Established?

After paternity is established, a court may then order child support payments and medical insurance for the child. The amount of child support is based primarily on both parents' incomes using guidelines set by state law. It is important for both parents to cooperate with the Department of Revenue's Child Support Enforcement Program so children in need can be helped as quickly as possible. If a custodial parent doesn't cooperate, the case may be closed.

http://www.paternitynet.com/faq22.html


JMO

 

[203_forensics]

I've been away from the Anthony case and was wondering, what if JG really is the father. The reason i'm saying that is because Casey tells so many lies could she have just got cotten swabs and and rubbed Caylee, hers, and JG mouth to appear as if she was getting DNA send off for testing. Was there any paperwork from JG that show the results of the test. This case has been crazy since the beginning, and was just thinking that. Glad to be apart of this forum.

 

[Aedrys]

I'm sure the bio dad dodged a bullet by staying out of the picture. I can only imagine what this monstrous family would have put him through.

Yep, I still wonder why Mallory is voluntarily putting herself in the line of fire by marrying into that family...I can just imagine what's going to happen once she and Lee have kids and she makes one parenting mistake...*shudder*

 

[LambChop]

I've been away from the Anthony case and was wondering, what if JG really is the father. The reason i'm saying that is because Casey tells so many lies could she have just got cotten swabs and and rubbed Caylee, hers, and JG mouth to appear as if she was getting DNA send off for testing. Was there any paperwork from JG that show the results of the test. This case has been crazy since the beginning, and was just thinking that. Glad to be a part of this forum.

JG is NOT the father and had DNA tests done to prove it. KC did not have the testing done, RG did. No chance he is the father, although he was willing to raise Caylee as his own.

 

[Gnatcatcher]

I've been away from the Anthony case and was wondering, what if JG really is the father. The reason i'm saying that is because Casey tells so many lies could she have just got cotten swabs and and rubbed Caylee, hers, and JG mouth to appear as if she was getting DNA send off for testing. Was there any paperwork from JG that show the results of the test. This case has been crazy since the beginning, and was just thinking that. Glad to be apart of this forum.

Yes there was a paper trail, the test was legit, Casey didn't have anything to do with it really, Jesse had it done himself. I think the poor guy even had his test paper released in discovery. I find it so vile what he was put through.

 

[wenwe4]

Sparky, I totally agree with your post and want to thank you for the legal information. Furthering this info, this is the very reason why I believe KC never filed for welfare for Caylee. She would have been forced to name the potential father(s) and dna would have been required to establish paternity, in order for the State to pursue reimbursement of welfare monies via child support payments from the bio-dad. In some States, had JG and KC married while she was pregnant and the child was born during the marriage, JG would have been listed as the bio-dad and been required to pay child support. In the State I live in, JG could have petitioned the court to have dna and the timing of their marriage could come into play. However, if JG and KC had been married for some time and she fooled around with someone else, and had a child during the marriage - the Husband would be listed as the Father and required to pay child support (if they separated) because the child was born during the course of the marriage (despite what any dna says). I have seen Men have to pay for other Men's children because their ex-wives screwed around on them.

Either way, keeping the Bio-Dad a complete secret from everyone was the choice KC made, and I would venture to guess that it was because the real bio-dad "didn't measure up" to her expectations of what her child's Father should be. All control might be given up to Caylee, and KC's secrets would be disclosed. I think the thought of having other's find out who the Father actually was would be more embarrassing to KC than people finding out she was pregnant or an un-wed Mom. Again, I think KC didn't really want Caylee, but she didn't want the Bio-Dad to have a chance to parent Caylee even more. (or that she would have to interact with him again). KC's actions are so selfish that I cannot think of any other motive.

 

[LambChop]

Or maybe KC was just a spiteful ------- and did not want the bio dad to know he was going to be a father. And why didn't CA suggest KC apply for assistance for her child. I mean KC was claiming the father was dead, social security right there. Even if dad were still alive it would have helped with the expenses of raising a child. But CA did not want that and this may be why KC had no problems using her mother's credit card, writing checks on CA's account, etc. CA knew what was going on and did nothing until it started to get out of control. So who is trying to fool who here? It's obvious CA wanted no interference from outside. Kill dad off, no questions will be asked. That's my opinion.

For a nurse to say her daughter has some type of female problem that results in a tumor and not seek medical help. Please CA must think all these people were born yesterday. And then to state these facts on her deposition? It makes her look incompetent as a nurse. I really think CA and KC enjoyed lying to people just to invoke a response. Almost like a form of game playing. Well, game's over. jmo

 

[joypath]

:twocents: This is a "bit" O/T and way out of my field but I've :innocent: always had the "impression" that the inmate was "accessory" shopping to one-up her life from-----well, EVERYBODY, but especially Cindy. Caylee was the "accessory" that none of her "friends"/"pals" had and THAT/IT (or for those of us with emotions, CAYLEE) made the :loser: felon :loser:"extra" special. Little did she realize that what it actually did as defined by some in society :sick: was make her an mundane, boring, extra burdensome and ordinary statistic as an "unwed" mother! Finish school :sick:, no need, going to be a "famous photographer" via the learn as you earn method circa 1950s but now she's "infamous in photographs", same difference to her! Establish a loving relationship with a significant other, no need, spread the male wallets and her legs, receive donations and move on to the next higher status creature of pleasure:banghead: . JG the cop was good but college boy RM had future prospects and college man TL would be better as a multimillionaire rock producer, each a ladder to $$$$. :floorlaugh:

:twocents: There was never any need to address Caylee's father as he was NOT a perfect accessory to the :loser:Anthony:loser: status climb:banghead:. The stories of the "daddy's death" perpetrated were part of the house of cards that these characters :sick: inhabited, one that a clearing wind (SA of Florida! :rocker in May 2011 will dismantle and somebody but thankfully NOT US will have to play "52 pick-up"! :great::great:

 

[Aedrys]

Sparky, I totally agree with your post and want to thank you for the legal information. Furthering this info, this is the very reason why I believe KC never filed for welfare for Caylee. She would have been forced to name the potential father(s) and dna would have been required to establish paternity, in order for the State to pursue reimbursement of welfare monies via child support payments from the bio-dad. In some States, had JG and KC married while she was pregnant and the child was born during the marriage, JG would have been listed as the bio-dad and been required to pay child support. In the State I live in, JG could have petitioned the court to have dna and the timing of their marriage could come into play. However, if JG and KC had been married for some time and she fooled around with someone else, and had a child during the marriage - the Husband would be listed as the Father and required to pay child support (if they separated) because the child was born during the course of the marriage (despite what any dna says). I have seen Men have to pay for other Men's children because their ex-wives screwed around on them.

Either way, keeping the Bio-Dad a complete secret from everyone was the choice KC made, and I would venture to guess that it was because the real bio-dad "didn't measure up" to her expectations of what her child's Father should be. All control might be given up to Caylee, and KC's secrets would be disclosed. I think the thought of having other's find out who the Father actually was would be more embarrassing to KC than people finding out she was pregnant or an un-wed Mom. Again, I think KC didn't really want Caylee, but she didn't want the Bio-Dad to have a chance to parent Caylee even more. (or that she would have to interact with him again). KC's actions are so selfish that I cannot think of any other motive.

True. Can't have the baby garnering attention from TWO families, now could she? That would be jealousy on a whole new level for her. And I think Cindy was more than happy to keep family problems to themselves rather than have the trouble of dealing with a father possibly better than Casey. I do wonder if that is what she worried about, or a father more embarassing than Casey to make her family look even worse. Either way, a father out of the picture protects the perfect family image because Cindy felt she could put her spin on Casey and control the family image. It would be a lot harder to do with a father in the picture for Caylee. Caylee was Cindy's possession just like Casey is her twin. No way would she let the uncontrolled, unknown father become part of that picture and spoil it. I do think the decision was more Cindy's than Casey's. She probably said, look, I'll pay for everything, just don't identify the father and leave everything to me. How could Casey pass that up? It probably helped Cindy that Casey was probably wasn't sure who the father was either.

And I'm sure had the father shown up somehow, Cindy would say, "well, you never cared about Caylee and was never involved with her life like I was. You are a horrible father, but I was great grandmother to Caylee. She was lucky to have me." By shutting him out, Cindy could one up him later. This poor father had no chance of winning whatsoever here.

 

[LCoastMom]

(This regarding ToNY saying he waned boys not girls if and when he has children) - I think the report of him saying that came from KC only, IIRC.

ToNY admitted to LE that he told ICA he only wants boy children to bring them up involved in sports - having younger sisters, he is aware of the trouble with raising girls since he wouldn't be parenting ugly children, he didn't want the hassle.

It was an odd statement to make and read.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5686811/Casey-Anthony-Tony-Lazzaro-transcript-Sept-8-2008

I disagree because Caylee's father being in the picture had nothing to do with Casey's wants or even Caylee's needs... it was about what Cindy wanted. Cindy made it clear that she didn't want Caylee's father (and I would assume his family) to have any rights to Caylee. She had papers drawn up that would give her and George (which means Cindy) control over Caylee if something happened to Casey.

Except she never actually did this - just another lie! If Caylee's father were deceased there would have been no need for such a document. If he is alive and known to ICA and/or CA - such a document would be meaningless without him giving up his parental rights. What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

Do you think that Cindy wanted Casey to be getting money from Caylee's father? Even if it was some kind of SS benefits because he was deceased? With Cindy having the money and Casey being dependent on Cindy financially, Cindy had control. If Casey was getting money from Caylee's father, Casey would not be as dependent on Cindy... which would mean that Cindy does not have complete control. One thing that I have learned about Cindy these past few years if that Cindy HAS to have control... if she can not control the situation... she is just as manipulative, calculating and vicious as Casey.

Caylee was a just an object to this family. A game piece. Cindy may have treated Caylee as a precious gem... but a gem is still just an object.

Blue mine - I think this is such an important statement. It is why CA allowed ICA to go to her pretend job and take Caylee to a pretend nanny. CA knew all along what ICA was about - no job meant no money, nor need for a nanny, (ie; CONTROL) ICA was going nowhere! No father to share custody / pay child support meant ICA and Caylee would not be going anywhere! (Note in her letter to ICA, CA said she hasn't slept since both of her girls were home!)

Notice that the A's kept more than one can with gas in it at their house, but kept them under lock and key! GA put money in Caylee's piggy bank, that kept disappearing and he kept replacing it! They could dole out what ICA needed or withhold it, at will - what a horrid existence!

This line of thinking explains most of the twisted dynamics of the household. CA maintains control over her girls, down to what ICA gave Caylee to eat and wear. It explains why they have gone to such lengths to deny Caylee's paternity - making up a guy who died, or a guy who is married, living out of state or, or, or... I'll bet CA can continue to make up scenarios all day long!!

It is sick, sick, sick.

 

[Snaz]

I am of the belief that even if it was true that Caylee's father is deceased, KC would still not have filed for SSI benefits because that would bring the paternal grandparents/family into the picture. And Cindy would just have absolutely none of that. She wanted complete control with no other family around getting in her way.

Can you imagine being Caylee's paternal grandmother and having to deal with CINDY on a constant basis with regard to your granddaughter? UGHHHHHH!!!.... I shudder to think of it! All I can say to Mallory's mother is GOOD LUCK!!!!

 

[Leila]

Will Caylee's biological father be named at trial? I don't think LE or the prosecution knows who Caylee's father is, but I bet they have determined who isn't Caylee's biological father.

The defense appears to have no strategy other than trying to cast reasonable doubt on the evidence the state presents.

This may be a bit out there, but in their effort to claim SODDI, the defense could claim that Caylee's biological father killed her because Casey was pressuring him for money to support his child. The father's motive would be - no child, no need for money to support the child.

The state has to be prepared for anything the defense might try to claim and they don't want any surprises........trial by ambush is what HHMP stated. So, I wouldn't be surprised if the state ran a paternity test (with their consent) on any of Casey's male friends who were associating with Casey back in late 2004 when she became pregnant.

If LE and the prosecution has learned who Caylee's biological father is, I don't think that would be made public. It becomes a privacy issue unless that person is being accused of a crime, as in the defense claiming that the biological father had motive for killing Caylee.

It would be to the advantage of the state to know who Caylee's biological father is, and to have verified his activities. Consider the following.....................

Defense: "it's reasonable to suspect the biological father killed Caylee as he was being pressured to provide financial support for her."

State: "We have determined who the biological father of Caylee is and have also determined that he moved to Kansas City, Missouri in March of 2008, and didn't return to Orlando until November 2008 at which time he visited relatives over the 4-day Thanksgiving weekend before returning to Kansas City."

At this point the state would ask to submit their documentation and have it sealed due to privacy issues.

 

[Purple Iris]

Yep, I still wonder why Mallory is voluntarily putting herself in the line of fire by marrying into that family...I can just imagine what's going to happen once she and Lee have kids and she makes one parenting mistake...*shudder*

Not only is Mallory inbedded in this, but so is her mother.
Her mother is on the board of directors for the Anthony's Foundation.

Why wouldn't a mother advise her daughter to get out of that family??

 

[MissJames]

Just reading through all the posts on this page and wanted to add,the Cindys and Caseys of the World can be charming ,fun and appear very caring.That's how they draw others in. It takes awhile to catch on to the manipulation and the lies.
Some will join forces,some will become victims and others will "run,don"t walk" as far away as they can.I personally don't understand those that remain supportive and involved,but they must getting something out of it.
It would be interesting to see if Cindy has any long term friendships.
Everyone here is spot on in the daddy analysis, IMO. ICA didn't want to be tied to the birth father (if she even knows who it is) and as a family unit ,the Anthony's didn't want to share Caylee.
You see,nothing has ever been about Caylee (her needs,her rights,her justice) .Not then and certainly not now.

 

[RR0004]

As I was reading this thread, something niggled at my brain. A looooong time ago, didn't we hear that at one of the search warrants, that LE found "papers" in the attic? It sounds so familiar to me. Am I :crazy: ? If I am right, could these be the lost pages?

I never heard about an attic. Please let us know.

 

[A_News_Junkie]

Did a search and found this:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3694251&highlight=papers+attic#post3694251

from page 3 of the above thread, post #68 from Leila:

"From what I understand - can't recall where I read it now, but it was here at WS - during one of the search warrants there were papers retrieved from an attic crawl space. There was brief discussion about it and I remember at the time that I posted something to the effect that perhaps since LE had already conducted a couple of searches of the Anthony home, the Anthonys didn't expect any further search warrants. I felt that either Cindy or Casey (when she was out on bail) may have put the papers in the attic crawl space, thinking they were safe."

Then post #71 from chefmom:

"It is in the discovery docs from 2/18. Page 3407, item #40. "One storage container with newspaper articles" Location is "attic"."

Apparently we have discussed this before, but maybe it was only newspaper articles...at least I know I'm not nuts for remembering something about it.

Wasn't this known or highly suspected to be related to finding the article KC mentioned keeping on the death of Caylee's father?

 

[Intermezzo]

Wasn't this known or highly suspected to be related to finding the article KC mentioned keeping on the death of Caylee's father?

Was that Obituary newspaper clipping every given to LE or even located?

Was it Casey or Cindy, or both, that said they had it at home or on the computer?

 

[A_News_Junkie]

Was that Obituary newspaper clipping every given to LE or even located?

Was it Casey or Cindy, or both, that said they had it at home or on the computer?

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