Revisit - Did CA/GA cover up 7-16-08

[Gma Kat]

yes, wouldn't this case be in a totally different place had someone outside the family initiated contact with LE. Too bad the two-truck company didn't call LE when they smelled the decomp.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

Of course they were in cover-up mode...forced there after their car was found.

However; from the very beginning, they were aware that Caylee was in big trouble. For two weeks, Ca did not initiate calls to kc. By the 30th, she was.

Why didn't cindy call LE the first day or two if she were worried about Caylee? She knew kc didn't have a job, no where to live, was not very responsible and had a temper. Yet she did nothing..she let precious Caylee in the care of a person who was not capable of being a mother w/o constant supervision.

She could have reported the car stolen, or told LE the story and concern. They may have done the favor and tracked her for child's welfare...SHE DID NOTHING...she could have found friends who had an idea where to find her....just like she did when her car was found.

George did NOTHING either....he is a weak man and incapable of handling any situation w/o Cindy's approval and lead.

But lo and behold, when it comes down to them possibly being implicated in a crime, they do something.....way too late. If that car was not found, it would be a long time before anything would have been done, AND that would have been because somebody outside their circle reported it.

They are all weak. Bullies always, always choose the weakest to pick on and so far the A's have done just that.

 

[scorpion1110]

I'm willing to theorize right along with ya.....especially about the yard.
Go to picture # 49 I have asked many questions about this picture. None have satisfied me as of yet. Why here on the side of the house at night on this date that is stamped on the picture. A picture of essentially nothing but since we know now what we know, maybe a very important picture.
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/19106765/detail.html

maybe that picture is not a picture of nothing, back in one of the past doc. dumps where the botanical findings of what was growing at and around the remains site they listed the plants, one of them was some type of cultivated flowering plant, a crinum or crinium lily I think it was, could the flowers growing on the left side of the picture be that same plant? all it would take is one seed transfer from the A's backyard, can anyone here on WS living in Florida identify the flowering plant in the picture?

 

[Gma Kat]

maybe that picture is not a picture of nothing, back in one of the past doc. dumps where the botanical findings of what was growing at and around the remains site they listed the plants, one of them was some type of cultivated flowering plant, a crinum or crinium lily I think it was, could the flowers growing on the left side of the picture be that same plant? all it would take is one seed transfer from the A's backyard, can anyone here on WS living in Florida identify the flowering plant in the picture?

Great theory! Thanks!

 

[TinaD]

I think the "control" issue is paramount. "Control Everything" seems to be what makes CA tick. I've seen it in countless interviews. The problem is that CA wants her way when she wants it BUT she doesn't stop to think about long term ramifications. Example: CA calling 911 three times, the 3rd time she is hysterical, spilling the beans about KC's stinky car. We all pretty much agree if she'd thought this through--we would have never known about Caylee. But CA's anger and her wish to control KC in that moment is the greater force. She couldn't have believed Caylee to be dead at this point or she wouldn't have called LE. And that plays out again and again. And she just doesn't want to control KC, it's everything and everyone around her, GA, LA, LE, FBI, reporters, etc. Example: CA coming out from visiting KC and telling a reporter that her daughter says she has never been shown a photo of ZFG by LE. Why does she feel the need to proclaim this on tv? She herself knows KC is probably a sociopath, she knows for sure she is a liar. Why can't she just keep her head down and her mouth shut? She really stuck her foot in it here, hasn't she now been included in the defamation case of ZFG? She doesn't stop to think. Remember KC telling a LE officer on the day of her arrest how angry her mom (CA) was to find out that LE had been taping her every time she talked to them? On those tapes CA tells them that she and GA went to an attorney and had all necessary legal paperwork done to ensure that the father couldn't come and take Caylee away if something happened to KC? That was all lies we find out. I am sure that they have her on tape telling quite a few mistruths. I am sure CA was incensed to find out there is proof of everything she told them, it won't be a LE said vs CA said type of situation as its all on tape. CA seems to have this compulsion to say whatever sounds good, whatever will put her in the best light at that moment in time. Like KC she doesn't think long term.

My point, (sorry for going on and on) is on the 15th I think CA was in a mental s@*t storm.....she knew that KC lies, so her head is swirling, she is trying to figure out what is truth and what is lies, she is ANGRY at KC, and IMO, part of that anger is stemming from the lack of CONTROL she has over KC, at this moment and in the past 30 days. She cannot get this girl to give up Caylee and it is pizzing her off!! CA has always called the shots, now KC is blowing her off.......so out of anger she calls 911. I truly don't believe that CA had gotten to the realization that the lies, the missing g-baby, and the stinky car added up to murder. I don't think so. Not yet. She's close, but not there yet...maybe unconsciously yes, but not straight up. She is still off balance from all KC has put them through in the last 30 days. She is thinking of KC stealing from her and her grandparents, thinking about the lies KC has told her over the last month, the stolen gas cans, the car towed, thinking about all AH and RP told her about KC, and she is wondering where Caylee is, pissed that KC is making her call LE to get to Caylee. There is so much more too. It has been building b/t these two. CA turned 50 and KC didn't even bother to call and say HB. I know as a mother I would be hurt and mad. KC has cost them soo much money. CA, IMO has many many valid reasons to be terribly angry with KC.(Not saying KC doesn't have her right to issues w/CA though) IMO, I think CA is thinking "oh so you wanna play hard ball? Fine...let's play hard ball", and she calls LE as a threat, to call KC's bluff. But in between the panic and the anger and the hurt and the threats, she is beginning to see the light, it is ever so slowly coming into focus. I think she got all the way to making the third 911 call and then......BAM!!..........she starts to really get it. IMO the moments after she spoke those words out loud about the car to the 911 operator is when reality bites. Now it is too late to take that 911 call and the "dead body smell in the d@mn car" words back. And not long after that, the dust begins to settle, she begins to put 2 + 2 together. As soon as LE enters her home, I bet you, she starts the CA jibber/jabber--enough to make any persons eyes cross into the twilight zone and just pray this woman will stop talking. It is classic CA......her issue to be in control, to be top dog, the shot caller of the family.....has now landed them knee deep into what will lead to her daughter being charged for murdering her daughter. Since there are no reports released that tell us what took place in regards to the car and LE in those first hours, we just don't know what happened for sure. But I bet you, once CA "got it"(which IMO is right after she spoke the words out loud in the 3rd 911 call about the car) that she didn't bring up the stink in the car to the responding officers. I bet if they asked about it, she knew she had to answer per her 3rd 911 call but I bet she did the double talk thing she does so well if they did ask. I bet she gave info about the car being towed and thats how they knew KC wasn't in J-ville and thats why she called AH to find KC, yada yada yada, conveniently skipping over the smell in the car. But since the car was in LE's hands 24 hours later, it somehow got put together. But my money is on LE putting it together from the 3rd 911 call not b/c the family insisted LE take it, analyze it, etc.

What is funny is that since GA walks in on this mess in the middle of it happening..... and b/c he knows to take cues from CA...I think he thought that since CA called LE, that gave him permission to talk to them. He didn't know that CA had a light bulb moment in the middle of the s*#t storm and realized she was incriminating her daughter so she starts down playing things now, going with the invisi-nanny story and poor GA is left several steps behind and is giving up lots of truth to LE! Seriously I think thats how that happened. For some period of time GA didn't know that CA did an about face and so he is speaking freely to LE.

GA knew as soon as he got to the tow yard that something died in KC's car. CA? I am not so sure she got it then. IMO I think it took CA saying the words out loud to the 911 operator. But IMO both of them had major, major doubt about KC's innocence in this thing by the time LE got to their house. They probably didn't have time to think alot of stuff through but instinct told them all they needed to know. At this point it seems like they did alot of contradicting things. They tried to "appear" to be forthright with LE but in their minds they were all sorting things out and realizing KC probably murdered Caylee. We know for a fact CA thought about Caylee being dead as one of her co-workers says she called them the night of the 15th and said something along the lines of "if that baby is dead I don't know what I will do". We know from GA, in his own words says that he wondered if KC or Caylee were in the trunk b/c he knows the smell of decomp.

There is definately room for the argument that they began to cover up for KC on July 15th. The simple fact that GA says he knows that smell in her car is decomp but he didn't call LE right away is enough. WTH?? GA will call LE to report a missing gas can but not when his grand daughter has been missing for a month and the daughters car is found towed with decomp smell in it???? WHAT? We have CA washing items from the stinky car and saying the non existant nanny stole Caylee. WTH again?? CA made that 911 call impulsively, in anger and frustration. Moments later.......if she could have she'd have taken it back. Since she couldn't she began her mission of trying like h#ll to make us all believe that KC is incapable of murder. We need more info on the first hours. Without those reports all we have are our opinions. JMO

Your post is so "on the ball"!! I now think I understand why CA is supporting KC in the face of all the evidence - she feel guilty that the argument on the night of the fifteenth "caused" KC to murder Caylee, and she feels guilty that it was her phone calls to LE that caused KC to be arrested (all IMO of course).

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

maybe that picture is not a picture of nothing, back in one of the past doc. dumps where the botanical findings of what was growing at and around the remains site they listed the plants, one of them was some type of cultivated flowering plant, a crinum or crinium lily I think it was, could the flowers growing on the left side of the picture be that same plant? all it would take is one seed transfer from the A's backyard, can anyone here on WS living in Florida identify the flowering plant in the picture?

Hi scorpion. I think the plants in the picture are birds of paradise (Strelitzia juncea). At first I thought they were just day lilies but the flower and leaves look more like the narrow leaved bird of paradise to me. In any case, they are not the crinum lily; that is a spider lily that looks entirely different. Sorry we couldn't make the connection to the botanical findings.

 

[Mystic]

I think the "control" issue is paramount. "Control Everything" seems to be what makes CA tick. I've seen it in countless interviews. The problem is that CA wants her way when she wants it BUT she doesn't stop to think about long term ramifications. Example: CA calling 911 three times, the 3rd time she is hysterical, spilling the beans about KC's stinky car. We all pretty much agree if she'd thought this through--we would have never known about Caylee.

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Excellent post! I agree, CA was out of control because she didn't have any controll in the situation.

When it comes to the car, something has always bothered me and CA's call to 911. She basically implicated herself in obstruction. GA/CA, knowing there daughter had taken off and they had not seen or heard their gd for a month. After GA spoke with the Tow Company and saw that car with all the stuff in full view, then the smell... they should have immediately called LE. GA's statement later to LE, he talks about how it all appeared, the fear of opening the trunk and yet he drove the car home. Whether GA was an officer previously, I just can't see any parent doing that. I can see a parent, calling the daughter immediately, this is weird, the car has been abandoned for a length of time to be towed. I don't recall the last time CA spoke to KC on the phone prior to finding out about the car (and neither GA/CA mentioned this). Personally, if I hadnt' heard from my daughter and I find the car was towed after sitting for awhile. I'd be gravely concerned, the condition and smell of that car... no way I'd be taking it anywhere, I'd call LE. I don't think at that moment they knew what they were covering up, but they in fact knew they were covering 'something' KC had done.

 

[CA Mom]

Looking closer @ at pic #49 (side of anthony compound) seems like SOMETHING is missing along fence on left side? There's an empty space with an almost dead plant on each side. just doesn't seem like GA gardening. Could something have been removed and then something poured on the ground? Notice the underlying plastic showing in front of this area. Also looks like some kind of red pedals scattered all over, especially near the water faucet. Pic just looks odd to me also.

 

[scrabble]

Is there a link to the photo you are referring to? Thanks.

 

[CA Mom]

Is there a link to the photo you are referring to? Thanks.

See post #180 above. Sorry, I dont't know to move the pic down. Thanks

 

[scrabble]

Many thanks.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

Looking closer @ at pic #49 (side of anthony compound) seems like SOMETHING is missing along fence on left side? There's an empty space with an almost dead plant on each side. just doesn't seem like GA gardening. Could something have been removed and then something poured on the ground? Notice the underlying plastic showing in front of this area. Also looks like some kind of red pedals scattered all over, especially near the water faucet. Pic just looks odd to me also.

I was thinking they were rocks but you could very well be correct, it could be rose petals!

 

[MissJames]

I was thinking they were rocks but you could very well be correct, it could be rose petals!

It looks to me like the bark mulch we use.It is chunky and can appear red.
That picture stands out amongst the others as very out of place .Did KC take it?
And I agree that there appears to be a plant missing in that row.

 

[doobiedoo52]

She KNEW it was the smell of a dead body- nothing else smells like that.
She is a Nurse, she knew. That's why she told the 911 operator what it was.
George KNEW when he got in the car that it was the smell of HUMAN decomposition.
If she was not a Nurse and he was not an ex-cop they might get away with bluffing, but they both knew.

I agree they knew the smell human decomposition. I am just doubting whether CA knew the smell of let's say a decomposing dog or squirrel. I can't picture her being around anything like that to know the difference. George did and he stated so in the LE interview. I'm just saying, if I didn't know there was a huge difference in the smell of 2 types of mammals during decomp, then I would probably guess animal and not think human right off the bat.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

I'm willing to theorize right along with ya.....especially about the yard.
Go to picture # 49 I have asked many questions about this picture. None have satisfied me as of yet. Why here on the side of the house at night on this date that is stamped on the picture. A picture of essentially nothing but since we know now what we know, maybe a very important picture.
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/19106765/detail.html

I noticed several things in that picture.
For starters the stone/paver in the corner where the date is stamped. I, also notice the red mulch-maybe fresh cedar, it is right under the water spout, could it be that Caylee's body was rinsed off there or the shovel borrowed from the neighbor was washed there? Do we know if the Dog's hit near here? Maybe, the reason for the cedar mulch (IF CEDAR) was to hide the smell of decomposition and/or a previously dug hole? You can see the gardening plastic as well in this picture, did they find plastic to match at the crime scene?The paver-stone, did it match one found at the crime scene?

 

[essies]

I agree they knew the smell human decomposition. I am just doubting whether CA knew the smell of let's say a decomposing dog or squirrel. I can't picture her being around anything like that to know the difference. George did and he stated so in the LE interview. I'm just saying, if I didn't know there was a huge difference in the smell of 2 types of mammals during decomp, then I would probably guess animal and not think human right off the bat.

But, Cindy wasn't confusing the smell with the dead squirrel-that was KC's story! Cindy was "confusing' it with PIZZA!:doh:

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

I noticed several things in that picture.
For starters the stone/paver in the corner where the date is stamped. I, also notice the red mulch-maybe fresh cedar, it is right under the water spout, could it be that Caylee's body was rinsed off there or the shovel borrowed from the neighbor was washed there? Do we know if the Dog's hit near here? Maybe, the reason for the cedar mulch (IF CEDAR) was to hide the smell of decomposition and/or a previously dug hole? You can see the gardening plastic as well in this picture, did they find plastic to match at the crime scene?The paver-stone, did it match one found at the crime scene?

Don't know if LE found plastic to match. Don't know if the paver stone matches any at the remains site. According to the Greta interview CA states the dogs had 3 "inconsistant" alerts in the backyard, one by Caylee's play house, 1 by the sandbox and 1 on the other side of the house. CA has told the media mis-truths before so who knows what to believe.
Here is the link to the interview if you would like to watch, scroll down into the story and click on part 2.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html

 

[magic-cat]

The cops were called three times so they came for all of the above.
My point is that Cindy clearly told dispatch about the odor.
Dispatch was still on the line when LE arrived. I don't understand why the car wasn't immediately made unavailable and they did not get it until hours later on the 16th. but many of us have gone around and around about this in the past, so I don't want to beat a dead horse.
But imo,LE should have done something about that car sooner. I don't think they had to wait for a search warrant, because they can be had in the middle of the night and the Anthony's were offering everything up at that point anyway. I would think the cops would tape it off because of the odor, if the odor was that bad. IOW, while the Anthony' had already been in the car before calling LE, why would anyone think that was a big deal when LE didn't even bother to get it until the next day or hours later?

Just one of those things that may be neither here nor there, but it bugs me if there is a car that smells like death, a missing baby, and a mother that has not reported her child as missing,but it was left at the home overnight.

The responding officers said at the bond hearing that the car smelled bad, so we know they noticed it that night. It's jut curious to me no more, no less.

Hey JBean! You know what? I think it really did not matter at what point LE took possession of the car once they arrived on the scene, because I believe that car had already been VERY thoroughly cleaned out and scrubbed down BEFORE LE was ever even called. And LE likely did look at the car and saw that the contents had already been removed and the scene was already compromised. What was found in the car, in the way of evidence, was all there was left after the cleanup had occurred and that happened before LE was ever even ON the scene. Don't you think?

 

[magic-cat]

I agree they knew the smell human decomposition. I am just doubting whether CA knew the smell of let's say a decomposing dog or squirrel. I can't picture her being around anything like that to know the difference. George did and he stated so in the LE interview. I'm just saying, if I didn't know there was a huge difference in the smell of 2 types of mammals during decomp, then I would probably guess animal and not think human right off the bat.

The sickly sweet smell of a human decomposing is unlike the smell of an animal decomposing, and some innate instinct inside of us all, as humans, makes us intimately aware of what the smell is if and when we smell it. There is no confusing it with an animal, either squirrel or dog or skunk-it is very distinct and unmistakable. George and Cindy had both smelled human decomposition and once you HAVE actually smelled it there is no possibility of confusing it with anything else. Cindy was around decomposition as a nurse, and admitted to having smelled decomposition and dealt with it in her job as a nurse. She knew. George knew. They even talked about it and decided to deny it because the alternative was unthinkable-Caylee was the source of the horrible smell, and at that time they could not come to terms with that or at least could not admit it publicly.

 

[doogiesgirl]

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Excellent post! I agree, CA was out of control because she didn't have any controll in the situation.

When it comes to the car, something has always bothered me and CA's call to 911. She basically implicated herself in obstruction. GA/CA, knowing there daughter had taken off and they had not seen or heard their gd for a month. After GA spoke with the Tow Company and saw that car with all the stuff in full view, then the smell... they should have immediately called LE. GA's statement later to LE, he talks about how it all appeared, the fear of opening the trunk and yet he drove the car home. Whether GA was an officer previously, I just can't see any parent doing that. I can see a parent, calling the daughter immediately, this is weird, the car has been abandoned for a length of time to be towed. I don't recall the last time CA spoke to KC on the phone prior to finding out about the car (and neither GA/CA mentioned this). Personally, if I hadnt' heard from my daughter and I find the car was towed after sitting for awhile. I'd be gravely concerned, the condition and smell of that car... no way I'd be taking it anywhere, I'd call LE. I don't think at that moment they knew what they were covering up, but they in fact knew they were covering 'something' KC had done.

What is even weirder (is that a word?:crazy is that IIRC CA sent KC a text after they got the car from the tow yard. I can't remember exactly but wasn't it something like "call me--we have a big problem". Somebody help....is that what her text to KC said? Strange huh? JMO