RI - Mass Shooting at Brown University - Providence 13 Dec 2025

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I'm not a physical therapist, orthotist, or anything like that, but is there some injury or condition in which the gait would look normal in profile but altered from front and rear?

Also, this person looks slimmer overall from this angle imo, but still larger through the thighs and hips relative to the rest of him. Maybe we're not looking for someone overweight, we're looking for someone who squats.
 
  • #443
Without sounding like a crazy person, is there a type of device you can carry to mess with the quality of a security camera, like a signal jammer. Because I have very cheap Blink doorbell camera's (Like the cheapest my husband bought them without consulting me) and they are pretty amazing quality wise. Mine pick up much better quality even at night and it's very clear from a distance. But maybe the cheap ones are just good and we got lucky I don't know much about doorbell cams, other than mine are cheap and fantastic quality.
Not for consumers, and they aren't practical for something like this anyway. I think this guy has gotten lucky thus far with camera placement.
 
  • #444
So many things about this crime (and the investigation for that matter) don't seem to add up. From the latest press conference today, it seems they are still looking for the video guy, whoever he may be. I wonder if he's even the shooter. I think it looks like the "bulk" we see might be from some sort of quilted outer garment like hunters or people working outside. It looks like he could be wearing a beanie, possibly the kind that pull down to become a ski mask. The thing is wouldn't people take note of somebody dressed like a hunter and wearing a mask?
If they have no further video, or none they are willing to release, what about some kind of description from the surviving victims? While I'm sure people tend to see the gun and not much else, there should be something to be learned. The usual reason for not releasing video is because authorities have someone in their sights and don't want to tip the suspect, but after they released POI number 2, that doesn't seem likely.
There are plenty of theories on motive. It was the first day of Hanakkah at a school known to have a sizable Jewish enrollment and pro-Palestine demonstrations and a Jewish professor of the targeted class. Could be a romantic or stalker situation, a former failed or disappointed student with a grievance, could be something we can't even imagine.
 
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Maybe CNN should be a restricted source like FOX is? Hmmm 🤔 Naming and shaming someone like CNN did is humiliating and shameful imo
What if CNN had a tip from LE? We don't know.

jmo
 
  • #447
4 min ago

Authorities analyzing new video evidence related to investigation​

From CNN’s Brian Todd and Lauren Mascarenhas

Investigators are looking into newly obtained video evidence, which they believe pictures the same person shown in a video initially released to the public Saturday, Rhode Island Attorney General Peter Neronha told CNN’s Brian Todd.

Neronha said authorities have obtained new evidence from their canvassing efforts in Providence neighborhoods Monday, with officers going door to door to ask for Ring or other available video footage that could aid in the investigation.

“We’re analyzing additional evidence of that – we believe to be the same person,” Neronha said.

Police believe the person shown in the newly-released video is the same person in the first video. When asked if authorities could identify the person of interest, Maj. David Lapatin of the Providence Police said, “No, we cannot.”

Authorities previously released surveillance video from Saturday afternoon, which appears to show the suspect leaving the area and remains a key piece of evidence for investigators.

 
  • #448
by my math, if he was walking at a constant pace, this video is about 4 minutes after he stopped shooting and left the scene.

going by the timestamps and the locations of the trees and driveway, he is walking at about 5 feet per second. assuming he came straight down hope street, turned right onto waterman (as shown in the first video), and then straight on waterman, he's walked about 1000 feet from the Barus and Holley building. 1000/5 = 200 seconds, or 3 minutes, 20 seconds.

now, give him a little extra time to get out of the building and/or over to hope st., and i think we're at something like 3m30s to 4m. the second video ends at 4:07:00 pm. so, assuming constant walking pace, he leaves the classroom at 4:03.

so either he was running initially, while he was still in the area of the building, and slowed down later. or the shooting was over at about 4:03. (to refine the "approximately 4:05").

if he was running initially, that may have been conspicuous and memorable to someone. it was probably before the shelter in place instruction went out and people outside knew to panic, and if so most people outside would have just been going about their business. you see some guy run by, it's like "sheesh, SOMEONE's in a hurry."
 
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That's actually less helpful than the first video. Hopefully what they have coming is better quality.
The only good thing about it is you can see the distinct walk of the person better....he definitely has a specific gait.
 
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Moo...the timing at dusk, color of clothing and getta way route seems very well thought out. So he has probably done some dry runs of his getta way....moo
 
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I'm not a physical therapist, orthotist, or anything like that, but is there some injury or condition in which the gait would look normal in profile but altered from front and rear?

I have mild scoliosis and my hips are at different heights which causes a unique gait. It’s less noticeable from the side than the front and back. Not sure if that’s the case here and I’m also not an expert!
 
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Moo...the timing at dusk, color of clothing and getta way route seems very well thought out. So he has probably done some dry runs of his getta way....moo
Actually, investigators might want to check video of previous days......in case.
 
  • #454
by my math, if he was walking at a constant pace, this video is about 4 minutes after he stopped shooting and left the scene.

going by the timestamps and the locations of the trees and driveway, he is walking at about 5 feet per second. assuming he came straight down hope street, turned right onto waterman (as shown in the first video), and then straight on waterman, he's walked about 1000 feet from the Barus and Holley building. 1000/5 = 200 seconds, or 3 minutes, 20 seconds.

now, give him a little extra time to get out of the building and/or over to hope st., and i think we're at something like 3m30s to 4m. the second video ends at 4:07:00 pm. so, assuming constant walking pace, he leaves the classroom at 4:03.

so either he was running initially, while he was still in the area of the building, and slowed down later. or the shooting was over at about 4:03. (to refine the "approximately 4:05").

if he was running initially, that may have been conspicuous and memorable to someone. it was probably before the shelter in place instruction went out and people outside knew to panic, and if so most people outside would have just been going about their business. you see some guy run by, it's like "sheesh, SOMEONE's in a hurry."
Idk for sure but I’d imagine pandemonium once people heard gun shots. Wouldn’t have needed a shelter in place announcement to have people running imo
 
  • #455
so, do we have any publicly available witness descriptions of the shooter?

all i'm seeing is he was male and wore dark clothes. that's nothing. an entire class was attacked, and while i realize the trauma can distort perceptions and memories, the witnesses must have provided more information than that. tall? short? skinny? fat? what did he look like? was his face covered? did he not have one?
SBM. According to the TA witness (quoted in NYT yesterday) the shooter was "a masked man".
 
  • #456
I see a stiff leg limp. Tin man.

Striding with purpose, forcing the stiff leg to swing and his torso to compensate.

JMO
Lifting up the feet from the ground more so than in a natural walk.
 
  • #457
It is mind-boggling how well cameras work until there is a crime.
 
  • #458
So the weapon was a gun and not a shotgun? BBM:

"I immediately, when I saw him, I saw a gun," Oduro told ABC News correspondent Whit Johnson in an interview on Sunday. "The gun was so big and long that I genuinely thought, like, okay, this is the end of the road for me."

Also: Oduro said the gunman was dressed in dark clothing from head to toe and appeared to be wearing something that was bulging from his chest, saying it could have been ammunition or a bulletproof vest. He said the gunman was completely covered except for his eyes and part of a hand.

Could he still have the vest on when he escaped?
 
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“There just weren’t a lot of cameras in that Brown building,” Rhode Island Attorney General Peter Neronha said in a separate Providence Journal report.

“He went in basically without anyone noticing anything,” Thomas Verdi, a former Providence chief of police who now oversees the city’s revenue department, said in a Providence Journal report. “He … knew the building. He knew the area. And I would not be surprised if he was a student, former student, worker.”


 
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Brown has no basis for saying there is no immediate threat/cause for concern. There are saying that to give the illusion that they somehow have everything under control despite no actual attacker being in custody when they clearly don't. U Idaho did the exact same thing in 2022 for the same reason and luckily they guessed right about no further threat, hopefully the same situation here (and ideally without the 6 week gap before an arrest like with Idaho).
 

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