RI - Mass Shooting at Brown University - Providence 13 Dec 2025

[Charlot123]

one of the portuguese articles said this



bbm, sbm

assuming that means romantically (and this isn't just some translation issue), this is the only reference i've seen to that side of his life. throughout this, i've had the impression he was mostly or entirely unsuccessful with intimate partners, was probably bitter about it, and i'm guessing it played a role here, at least indirectly.

Could be the opposite: as a young person, he found an older partner. We don’t know his interests, but let’s assume, straight. A 23-year-old guy dating a 43-year-old woman, with experience, already with kids, who does not require that much time and could be thankful for some support. That could last for very long, you know. I sometimes wonder if he took time off Brown because he missed the person and wanted to get back.

BTW, his different presentations at Brown and back home could be due to precisely this: away and frustrated or “back with someone”, satisfied and not mean.

His dad is 91. Mom is likely younger; she is being interviewed. I suppose, dad’s second wife? Or did parents simply marry in older age? Dad was 43 when Claudio was born.

It is not implausible that lack of contact with the parents had to do with Claudio being in a relationship that they didn’t expect for him. For example, same-sex, or a woman from another social circle, or an older woman (no grandchildren for them in the cards), or someone else that they won’t accept.

In short, I am not so sure that he used to be alone all these years. The person could have died and he moved to the US then, this is highly possible.

One more thing; his parents are older and alive, meaning, he has good genes. Yet he looked older than his age on all photos. I thought it was biology but I am not so sure now. Claudio looks two decades older than Nuno. Yet he was 48 with dad who is 91.

Thoughts?

 

[Sundog]

dbm

 

[wibbleflea]

Paywalled article, just brief descriptions available under the title.

Fox News rewrite that’s not behind a paywall:

Brown University custodian told security suspicious man was ‘casing’ building weeks before shooting: report

Derek Lisi told Boston Globe he saw Brown University shooting suspect "casing" engineering building about 10 times since early January.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Arkay]

occasionally infatuated with someone

one of the portuguese articles said this



bbm, sbm

assuming that means romantically (and this isn't just some translation issue), this is the only reference i've seen to that side of his life. throughout this, i've had the impression he was mostly or entirely unsuccessful with intimate partners, was probably bitter about it, and i'm guessing it played a role here, at least indirectly.

Yes, perhaps he was an incel, or perhaps his infatuation was with other men, and I don’t know but I imagine Portugal is perhaps conservative on that issue.

Something locked this man into 20 years of self-exile, from his parents and eventually from Portugal as well.

Maybe he truly did see Brown as where he’d fit in, and yet though he had a decent IT job, he was not the nuclear physicist that Loureiro became.

It’s all very strange. Burning hatred, clearly. Two disparate targets. Then suicide.

JMO and speculation.

 

[Charlot123]

Fox News rewrite that’s not behind a paywall:

Brown University custodian told security suspicious man was ‘casing’ building weeks before shooting: report

Derek Lisi told Boston Globe he saw Brown University shooting suspect "casing" engineering building about 10 times since early January.

www.foxnews.com

Bureaucracy. Now Brown will spend a lot of money on external consultants, while all they needed to do was to listen in November-December to their own janitor.

 

[Lusitana]

one of the portuguese articles said this



bbm, sbm

assuming that means romantically (and this isn't just some translation issue), this is the only reference i've seen to that side of his life. throughout this, i've had the impression he was mostly or entirely unsuccessful with intimate partners, was probably bitter about it, and i'm guessing it played a role here, at least indirectly.

Yes, that means romantically interested. A crush, being interested in someone, etc.

Could be the opposite: as a young person, he found an older partner. We don’t know his interests, but let’s assume, straight. A 23-year-old guy dating a 43-year-old woman, with experience, already with kids, who does not require that much time and could be thankful for some support. That could last for very long, you know. I sometimes wonder if he took time off Brown because he missed the person and wanted to get back.

BTW, his different presentations at Brown and back home could be due to precisely this: away and frustrated or “back with someone”, satisfied and not mean.

His dad is 91. Mom is likely younger; she is being interviewed. I suppose, dad’s second wife? Or did parents simply marry in older age? Dad was 43 when Claudio was born.

It is not implausible that lack of contact with the parents had to do with Claudio being in a relationship that they didn’t expect for him. For example, same-sex, or a woman from another social circle, or an older woman (no grandchildren for them in the cards), or someone else that they won’t accept.

In short, I am not so sure that he used to be alone all these years. The person could have died and he moved to the US then, this is highly possible.

One more thing; his parents are older and alive, meaning, he has good genes. Yet he looked older than his age on all photos. I thought it was biology but I am not so sure now. Claudio looks two decades older than Nuno. Yet he was 48 with dad who is 91.

Thoughts?

The average life expectancy in Portugal is 81,17 years old. So while 91 is a great age, it's not that shocking. In the US the average life expectancy is 77,6 years old for reference.

Yes, perhaps he was an incel, or perhaps his infatuation was with other men, and I don’t know but I imagine Portugal is perhaps conservative on that issue.

Something locked this man into 20 years of self-exile, from his parents and eventually from Portugal as well.

Maybe he truly did see Brown as where he’d fit in, and yet though he had a decent IT job, he was not the nuclear physicist that Loureiro became.

It’s all very strange. Burning hatred, clearly. Two disparate targets. Then suicide.

JMO and speculation.

Portugal is not a conservative country, not about same-sex relationships or much of anything else, actually. Same sex marriage has been legal in Portugal since 2010, 5 years earlier than the US. So, while I don't know if his parents were very conservative, the country generally really isn't and same sex couples are usually fine to live their lives freely.

 

[Sundog]

Fox News rewrite that’s not behind a paywall:

Brown University custodian told security suspicious man was ‘casing’ building weeks before shooting: report

Derek Lisi told Boston Globe he saw Brown University shooting suspect "casing" engineering building about 10 times since early January.

www.foxnews.com

According to this article -

"A Brown University custodian claims he saw the shooting suspect almost a dozen times in the weeks before the Dec. 13 attack on campus and even alerted a campus security guard."

Does that mean he reported the sightings to campus police? Is that who he is referring to when he says he alerted a campus "security guard? " It would be good to know more about these sightings and how the custodian reported them, if he reported them to campus police.

ETA: The custodian also says that the sightings of CV go back as early as January 2025, according to this article.

 

[Charlot123]

Yes, perhaps he was an incel, or perhaps his infatuation was with other men, and I don’t know but I imagine Portugal is perhaps conservative on that issue.

Something locked this man into 20 years of self-exile, from his parents and eventually from Portugal as well.

Maybe he truly did see Brown as where he’d fit in, and yet though he had a decent IT job, he was not the nuclear physicist that Loureiro became.

It’s all very strange. Burning hatred, clearly. Two disparate targets. Then suicide.

JMO and speculation.

That we don’t know. He was in Portugal. How do we know if he was alone? He made good money. A socially awkward man who can provide has chances, unless he is a miser. It is possible that he had some kind of a relationship. Maybe not what his parents wanted, but he was not a total loser there.

I traveled to Portugal. It is a Catholic country for Catholics, but many people there are atheist/agnostic. Especially in large cities. It appears very safe. People are quiet. Food, indeed, is good, much better than in Spain IMHO. Not only fish. Bread, too.

It didn’t seem conservative to me. Just polite and quiet. Beautiful buildings. A normal European country.

So I won’t bet on “self-imposed exile”.

 

[altissima]

According to this article -

"A Brown University custodian claims he saw the shooting suspect almost a dozen times in the weeks before the Dec. 13 attack on campus and even alerted a campus security guard."

Does that mean he reported the sightings to campus police? Is that who he is referring to when he says he alerted a campus "security guard? " It would be good to know more about these sightings and how the custodian reported them, if he reported them to campus police.

ETA: The custodian also says that the sightings of CV go back as early as January 2025, according to this article.

Bringing forward this post by indicolite22. Will be interesting to see if any of these dates match up with the custodian’s sightings.

Brown University shooter Claudio Neves Valente took at least four trips up to Boston this year, with each visit getting longer than the last, The Post has learned.

Brown University shooter made multiple trips to Boston for surveillance before deadly attack: sources

It shows an extensive amount of pre-planning and surveillance, a law enforcement source told The Post.

nypost.com

His trips:

• February 13-15
• April 8-25
• October 26-November 16
• November 17-26
• December 1-?

The first visit came a month after NL received an award.

 

[Megnut]

Bringing forward this post by indicolite22. Will be interesting to see if any of these dates match up with the custodian’s sightings.

Yes!

I wonder if those occasions were all reconnaissance missions or aborted ones.

JMO

 

[wallflowery2]

According to this article -

"A Brown University custodian claims he saw the shooting suspect almost a dozen times in the weeks before the Dec. 13 attack on campus and even alerted a campus security guard."

Does that mean he reported the sightings to campus police? Is that who he is referring to when he says he alerted a campus "security guard? " It would be good to know more about these sightings and how the custodian reported them, if he reported them to campus police.

ETA: The custodian also says that the sightings of CV go back as early as January 2025, according to this article.

The security guards at Brown are not part of of the campus police force.

 

[Charlot123]

The average life expectancy in Portugal is 81,17 years old. So while 91 is a great age, it's not that shocking. In the US the average life expectancy is 77,6 years old for reference.

RSFB

This is not what I meant. Glad for Portugal, though, perhaps good-quality fish and less stress do make a difference?

What I have noticed in Portugal was that men were surprisingly attractive. They look “wired young”. On his recent photos, Claudio looks shockingly older than I expect from a 48-year-old Portuguese man. I wonder why, since he obviously has good genes on both sides.

His protruding midriff is something unusual, too. In some people, it may be genetic but unrelated to longevity, of course. Others have metabolic syndrome. I wonder if in Portugal, Claudio was on medication that could have caused it (but also, kept him in check), and having moved to the US, he got off them and slowly descended into irrational thinking?

 

[Sundog]

The security guards at Brown are not part of of the campus police force.

I wonder who they report to, if not the campus police. I wonder if they are only in the residence halls and/or research buildings and maybe not in academic buildings with classrooms? It will be interesting to see how Brown University responds, if they do, to this recent news about the custodian reporting the sightings of the shooter.

This is all I could find about security guards at Brown -

According to a university spokesperson, most spaces on campus do not have guards or gates at every point of access.

Brown University clarifies building access, security cameras after campus shooting

Brown University on Wednesday clarified building access and security cameras after the campus shooting prompted confusion and questions.

turnto10.com

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2003206540120018997

 

[Serononin]

RSFB

This is not what I meant. Glad for Portugal, though, perhaps good-quality fish and less stress do make a difference?

What I have noticed in Portugal was that men were surprisingly attractive. They look “wired young”. On his recent photos, Claudio looks shockingly older than I expect from a 48-year-old Portuguese man. I wonder why, since he obviously has good genes on both sides.

His protruding midriff is something unusual, too. In some people, it may be genetic but unrelated to longevity, of course. Others have metabolic syndrome. I wonder if in Portugal, Claudio was on medication that could have caused it (but also, kept him in check), and having moved to the US, he got off them and slowly descended into irrational thinking?

Excessive alcohol consumption can contribute to earlier aging I think, and could definitely have given him a 'beer belly'

 

[wallflowery2]

I wonder who they report to, if not the campus police. I wonder if they are only in the residence halls and/or research buildings and maybe not in academic buildings with classrooms? It will be interesting to see how Brown University responds, if they do, to this recent news about the custodian reporting the sightings of the shooter.

This is all I could find about security guards at Brown -

According to a university spokesperson, most spaces on campus do not have guards or gates at every point of access.

Brown University clarifies building access, security cameras after campus shooting

Brown University on Wednesday clarified building access and security cameras after the campus shooting prompted confusion and questions.

turnto10.com

I don’t know the reporting structure, but if I am reading local news correctly, the custodian reported not to a Brown security guard or campus police, but to an external firm hired for an event. That would be different from reporting to a Brown employee or the security guard typically staffing a front desk at the buildings that have that position.

https://www.wpri.com/news/local-news/providence/dont-ignore-it-brown-university-custodian-says-he-reported-gunman-multiple-times-before-shooting/

 

[acutename]

Could be the opposite: as a young person, he found an older partner. We don’t know his interests, but let’s assume, straight. A 23-year-old guy dating a 43-year-old woman, with experience, already with kids, who does not require that much time and could be thankful for some support. That could last for very long, you know. I sometimes wonder if he took time off Brown because he missed the person and wanted to get back.

BTW, his different presentations at Brown and back home could be due to precisely this: away and frustrated or “back with someone”, satisfied and not mean.

His dad is 91. Mom is likely younger; she is being interviewed. I suppose, dad’s second wife? Or did parents simply marry in older age? Dad was 43 when Claudio was born.

It is not implausible that lack of contact with the parents had to do with Claudio being in a relationship that they didn’t expect for him. For example, same-sex, or a woman from another social circle, or an older woman (no grandchildren for them in the cards), or someone else that they won’t accept.

In short, I am not so sure that he used to be alone all these years. The person could have died and he moved to the US then, this is highly possible.

One more thing; his parents are older and alive, meaning, he has good genes. Yet he looked older than his age on all photos. I thought it was biology but I am not so sure now. Claudio looks two decades older than Nuno. Yet he was 48 with dad who is 91.

Thoughts?

I did wonder if there was some relationship(s) that was not common knowledge for some reason and I did wonder if there was some relationship with the professor/victim.

 

[acutename]

Maybe he was a gambler/poker player? Physics folks are math whizzes and can calculate probabilities pretty efficiently.

Vegas card reader?

 

[seenabp]

Received an email to my alumni account from President Paxson about security measures the university plans to take. Also available online here:

Brown University outlines enhanced safety measures, after-action review and security assessment

Following the senseless Dec. 13 shooting on campus, the University will conduct an external After-Action Review of the incident and a comprehensive Campus Safety and Security Assessment of the Brown campus.

www.brown.edu

I’m glad to see they’re taking steps to make campus more secure after the incident. I apologize if this has already been posted, but it looks like the VP for Public Safety and Emergency Management Rodney Chatman has been placed on leave, effective immediately and a former police chief will take his place in the interim. I’m assuming something like this is standard after a mass shooting.

 

[Sundog]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2003206540120018997

Brown contractor Event Staffing Services confirmed that one of its employees did receive a report about a suspicious person in December, but said it is not responsible for investigating such reports.

You would think that a Brown University employee would know to report this kind of thing to campus law enforcement. Unless maybe the Brown University employee wasn't a permanent employee or something like that.