Robyn Adams, Benhaida, and Derkovic -The Jail Calls INCLUDED #2

[pip]

When this case goes to trial, is deliberated and adjudicated, and all the books start hitting the shelves, I prefer the factual story is rendered. I happen to believe these 4 women are cons and are inserting themselves for self-benefit of various natures, jmo. That does not make me pro-defense. I believe KC is guilty all the way. The outcome should be based on fact, not fiction. The truths must be rooted out along the way. No fiction revealed post-sentencing, no appeal material. Rooting out malingerers helps the prosecution in the big scheme of things. What good is a guilty charge if it doesn't stick? JMO.

 

[MidAtlanticNative]

After listening to a few of Robyn's calls to her father, she sounds as self centered as Casey and uses her emotions to try to manipulate her father. While he doesn't completely give in to her, I didn't hear him tell her that it was her own actions that landed her in jail and away from her kids. I think she and Casey are a lot alike and "hence" have so much in common.

MOO & :twocents:

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I'm not sure Casey would appreciate such "sarcasism" at her expense.

 

[bunchy]

I've been here for a while but didn't have the guts to post what you just said. I agree more than a thanks button.

Thanks, nice to know I'm not alone

 

[suzihawk]

When this case goes to trial, is deliberated and adjudicated, and all the books start hitting the shelves, I prefer the factual story is rendered. I happen to believe these 4 women are cons and are inserting themselves for self-benefit of various natures, jmo. That does not make me pro-defense. I believe KC is guilty all the way. The outcome should be based on fact, not fiction. The truths must be rooted out along the way. No fiction revealed post-sentencing, no appeal material. Rooting out malingerers helps the prosecution in the big scheme of things. What good is a guilty charge if it doesn't stick? JMO.

Oh... there's gonna be plenty of appeal material. No doubt about that. Baez is all but guaranteeing that via his incompetence. What a guy!

 

[suzihawk]

Thanks, nice to know I'm not alone

You're certainly not alone.

 

[jon_burrows]

"when people like Yuri Melich fall over themselves trying to create incriminating evidence – in a case that does not need it – those people undermine the very foundation of the United States Criminal Justice system."

This is a very serious accusation. What incriminating evidence did Melich try to create?

To whomever,

I will leave the Melich topic alone, save this point - which I have said long before: He is not very thorough with his investigation and engages in actions that are more likely to legally undermine the case than advance it.

If you have further Melich discussion, start a different thread.

When posters make a claim such as yours on this web site, it is common courtesy to let readers know if the post is factual or opinion. Since you refuse to offer any information to substantiate your claim, I’ll consider it opinion which raises a question regarding your motive. Are you trying to jump on the Casey gravy train (maybe get some more TV appearances) or are you jockeying for a place on the defense team?

Another little tidbit, most of us know when to start a new thread so there is no need to take orders from you simply because you won’t answer a question about something you stated as fact. Nice try though.

Listen, the only problem is I am one of the few people who consistently cites anything supporting his opinion. But I have previously cited the instances where I believe YM has been less than stellar in other opinions. So you are welcome to search through my posts to find it.

But unfortunately, and contrary to popular opinion, I lack the ability of total recall so I can not pull the exact time date place and link of something.

And by the way, any critique of another person, whether of me or YM, is by definition an "opinion."

And as for "changing threads" I was only attempting to change the subject to appease certain moderators and others who wanted the thread to stay focused. So I offered an apology for the sole purpose of trying to facilitate that.

I don't need a link, total recall, or exact time and place, simply some examples (three would do). When you made this statement:

"when people like Yuri Melich fall over themselves trying to create incriminating evidence – in a case that does not need it – those people undermine the very foundation of the United States Criminal Justice system."

I think it's reasonable that you should be able to list a few right off the top of your head after making such a serious accusation. Surely you wouldn't just throw that out there with nothing to back it up.

When you accuse a detective of "creating incriminating evidence" it is not an opinion. In fact, it is saying he's guilty of criminal behavior.

IMO

 

[pip]

Oh... there's gonna be plenty of appeal material. No doubt about that. Baez is all but guaranteeing that via his incompetence. What a guy!

You are probably right on that count , so I hope to see any peripheral fiction eliminated prior to trial to reduce her chances on appeal. I would like the verdict to be reached with as much clarity as possible. Call me a purist..

 

[suzihawk]

You are probably right on that count , so I hope to see any peripheral fiction eliminated prior to trial to reduce her chances on appeal. I would like the verdict to be reached with as much clarity as possible. Call me a purist..

I hear ya. Unfortunately, I think that ship has all but sailed. Call me a cynic...

 

[gibby207]

Today is by far the most uncomfortable I have been since joining WS and it is for the reasons below. I'm not saying there can't be any corruption, but these accusations and the motive behind looking for "the goods" using WS'ers frankly frightens me.

I'm glad I'm not alone.

Thanks jon burrows for eloquently stating my thoughts.

I don't need a link, total recall, or exact time and place, simply some examples (three would do). When you made this statement:

"when people like Yuri Melich fall over themselves trying to create incriminating evidence – in a case that does not need it – those people undermine the very foundation of the United States Criminal Justice system."

I think it's reasonable that you should be able to list a few right off the top of your head after making such a serious accusation. Surely you wouldn't just throw that out there with nothing to back it up.

When you accuse a detective of "creating incriminating evidence" it is not an opinion. In fact, it is saying he's guilty of criminal behavior.

IMO

 

[missadrienne]

I've been a regular visitor to this site for roughly 3 years. It's seldom that I feel compelled to post (my post count speaks for itself), but I just have to say...I am in total agreement with everyone having odd and uncomfortable feelings about today's hot topic. So FWIW, you all are *not* alone in these feelings and I am seriously questioning the motive behind this "task" Mr. Hornsby has graced the good people of Websleuths with.

Today is by far the most uncomfortable I have been since joining WS and it is for the reasons below. I'm not saying there can't be any corruption, but these accusations and the motive behind looking for "the goods" using WS'ers frankly frightens me.

I'm glad I'm not alone.

Thanks jon burrows for eloquently stating my thoughts.

 

[logicalgirl]

I understand and agree with your discomfort - however it seems pretty clear that the members who are doing the listening and results posting are doing it for WS and for their own satisfaction. Few if any are doing it to assist RH with his quest.

It is true RH provided the links however many of us feel we need to be among the first to know if there is anything that helps the defense in all the conversations.

We'll be the first out of the block to say Nah Nah On You Richard, and no worries, we'll have answers on the Melich statements. For sure - that was definitely a tsk tsk. IMO

 

[Marigold]

Is it too late to help? I'm assuming I should just jump in someplace, unless someone is in charge of assigning tasks? If someone wants to point me in the right direction, it would be appreciated. I'll wait a few minutes before I get started.

Fwiw, I don't care what Hornsby's motives or agenda is. He can take all the information I find and make a zillion dollars for all I care. The important thing to me is to help flush out anything that is untruthful and thereby helping the cause of justice.

 

[logicalgirl]

Marigold, check out the disk threads - one of the faithful worker bees posted a horrendously long list of calls to be listened to.

I'll also be doing my share this evening, And it is not about helping RH with his agenda.

 

[beach]

I don't need a link, total recall, or exact time and place, simply some examples (three would do). When you made this statement:

"when people like Yuri Melich fall over themselves trying to create incriminating evidence – in a case that does not need it – those people undermine the very foundation of the United States Criminal Justice system."

I think it's reasonable that you should be able to list a few right off the top of your head after making such a serious accusation. Surely you wouldn't just throw that out there with nothing to back it up.

When you accuse a detective of "creating incriminating evidence" it is not an opinion. In fact, it is saying he's guilty of criminal behavior.

IMO

I agree totally. These accusations swirled toward YM make me furious when they can't be substantiated. Mr. Hornsby should know better. Back it up, or retract, please.


That said, I understand why some feel uncomfortable....and think WS'ers are being 'used'. I'm not totally comfortable with the motives, either. However, I am using these links as a resource. If Mr. Hornsby had not posted these logs, I guarantee somebody else would have. These are no different than anything else that we have sleuthed, imo. They need to be investigated as much for the prosecution as for the defense. I made this analogy earlier, but I feel compelled to make it again - if someone had sleuthed the Mark Furman tapes BEFORE trial, it would have been extremely beneficial to the prosecution. Can't we learn from the mistakes of Marcia Clark and Chris Darden?

 

[darnudes]

There is a link on the front page to the calls, I am trying the Benhaida ones but having trouble with the file. Check also the the main forum and you will get a feel for where people are up to on the other threads. Seems a bit confusing for sure.

 

[beach]

Is it too late to help? I'm assuming I should just jump in someplace, unless someone is in charge of assigning tasks? If someone wants to point me in the right direction, it would be appreciated. I'll wait a few minutes before I get started.

Fwiw, I don't care what Hornsby's motives or agenda is. He can take all the information I find and make a zillion dollars for all I care. The important thing to me is to help flush out anything that is untruthful and thereby helping the cause of justice.

Any of the Robyn Adams thread would be great. She has by far the largest volume to go through.

 

[Nosey Parker]

Here's another member feeling pretty uncomfortable about today's assignment to assist Mr. Hornby with his agenda to discredit Yuri Melich. I realise WS'ers would have found the links themselves anyway, and sleuthed out any pertinent information, but I would hope it would have been in an effort to catch KC making incriminating statements, and/or to determine whether Robyn et al made up their observations, not to support someone in their rather obvious professional jealousy, IMO. Count me out.

 

[SuziQ]

I agree totally. These accusations swirled toward YM make me furious when they can't be substantiated. Mr. Hornsby should know better. Back it up, or retract, please.


That said, I understand why some feel uncomfortable....and think WS'ers are being 'used'. I'm not totally comfortable with the motives, either. However, I am using these links as a resource. If Mr. Hornsby had not posted these logs, I guarantee somebody else would have. These are no different than anything else that we have sleuthed, imo. They need to be investigated as much for the prosecution as for the defense. I made this analogy earlier, but I feel compelled to make it again - if someone had sleuthed the Mark Furman tapes BEFORE trial, it would have been extremely beneficial to the prosecution. Can't we learn from the mistakes of Marcia Clark and Chris Darden?

Who says the prosecution needs our help? Is someone planning on putting together a report or something to send to the SA to make sure the SA gets it right?

 

[Astraea]

I find listening to these calls not any different then listening to the Croslin/Cummings calls here. Both are equally intriguing and disturbing to me. I am happy to see that ALL angles of this case are being "sleuthed". As of course they should be. With all of this "access to information", I am absolutely reeling!

I am of course only three quarters of the way through Cs and I have been reading others posts in between. I figure I should listen to them all before really offering an opinion, but I was a little taken aback at so many people who seem upset with the calls being posted.

I thank Mr Hornsby for posting the recordings. I absolutley feel that all individuals who make statements such as those in the (in my opinion ....conflicting) documents released the other day, should be accountable if their story is to be believed.

 

[ACandyRose]

RELEASE THE WEBSLEUTHS....

Directory of Jail Audio

Please note I have been uploading all morning and am halfway through Disc 2 of Robyn Adams and Disc 3 will be afterwards - probably another hour.

Mr. Hornsby,

Thank you so much for making all of these audio files available to download.

ACR