Ron C. # 11

[lonetraveler]

We are discussing Ron and his troubles. He has now got another attorney. He apparently did not want a public defender. Criminal attorneys are expensive so I guess it will be worth it to have one. Misty now has two attorneys, if she is going to use Ron's for the Ratgate. Is she an accomplice or did she not have any idea the Rat was in the car....Yikes! OR third option, does she not get to testify against her husband?

So RC drives to St. Augustine for his attorney and then he probably drives Misty to her attorney in Palatka.

Has it ever crossed anyone's mind that his is all BS? I get the impression these two love to play 'spin the attorney' because they seem to always need one for some reason or other.

With this in mind, has anyone thought these two could be guilty of causing Haleigh to disappear....or is all of this just plain "bad luck"?

Attorneys in that area should offer volume discounts or at least a family discount. You would think?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

We are discussing Ron and his troubles. He has now got another attorney. He apparently did not want a public defender. Criminal attorneys are expensive so I guess it will be worth it to have one. Misty now has two attorneys, if she is going to use Ron's for the Ratgate. Is she an accomplice or did she not have any idea the Rat was in the car....Yikes! OR third option, does she not get to testify against her husband?

So RC drives to St. Augustine for his attorney and then he probably drives Misty to her attorney in Palatka.

Has it ever crossed anyone's mind that his is all BS? I get the impression these two love to play 'spin the attorney' because they seem to always need one for some reason or other.

With this in mind, has anyone thought these two could be guilty of causing Haleigh to disappear....or is all of this just plain "bad luck"?

What are you talking about driving to St. Augustine for an attorney? Misty using Ronald's attorney? I have no clue and since you aren't providing any links...I guess these are just rumors. We have a thread for those.

With what in mind?! I haven't seen anything yet. I don't believe Ronald's troubles are bad luck at all! I believe he was set up by Tommy and his parents, imo, not once...but twice. No...I don't think they are guilty of anything especially Haleigh's disappearance.

 

[Gracenote]

Misty claims she never called them screaming and crying so someone is lying...the phone records can back up how many times she talked to them and who made the calls, imo. If they were concerned with her welfare in any way...why didn't THEY call 911 and have LE go check on her?

Well, I try not to presume why people do what they do because everyone is motivated by different things. They may have thought that they could simply go over to their daughter's home as she requested, see if she was ok, and leave unmolested. Also, all of these fellows seem not to like to involve LE in their lives. Or, maybe it was another case of Hank not wanting to make his daughter mad at him.

People don't show up at someone's house at that time of night after permission has been denied and aggressively go after a person without expecting a reaction, imo. This was not some casual social visit, imo. They went to GGS' home to start trouble and they succeeded, imo.

He said, She said, They said, etc. I wasn't there thank goodness.

However, it will all come out in court as to what really happened prior to their arrival and if this was a set up (which I believe it was). I don't think Ronald deserved to be arrested, imo. Tommy is the one who deserved it along with everyone in the van. They should not have been on the property to begin with and instigating a fight by trying to take Misty against her will, imo.

True, it will hopefully come out in court. It never should have escalated as far as it did. The Croslins wisely tried to leave when the violence broke out. (according to their statement) Notice that all of the women tried to break it up, too, but were not successful.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

True, it will hopefully come out in court. It never should have escalated as far as it did. The Croslins wisely tried to leave when the violence broke out. (according to their statement) Notice that all of the women tried to break it up, too, but were not successful.

The Croslins did no such thing as "wisely" try to leave when the violence broke out, imo. GGS had to work to get them to their vehicle and force them to leave, IIRC. Yes, the women did try to break them up which tells me they had no intention of leaving when the violence erupted. The Croslins didn't seem to worry about hitting Misty in the middle of the fight either, imo. So much for care and concern about her welfare!

 

[lonetraveler]

Misty claims she never called them screaming and crying so someone is lying...the phone records can back up how many times she talked to them and who made the calls, imo. If they were concerned with her welfare in any way...why didn't THEY call 911 and have LE go check on her?

People don't show up at someone's house at that time of night after permission has been denied and aggressively go after a person without expecting a reaction, imo. This was not some casual social visit, imo. They went to GGS' home to start trouble and they succeeded, imo.

However, it will all come out in court as to what really happened prior to their arrival and if this was a set up (which I believe it was). I don't think Ronald deserved to be arrested, imo. Tommy is the one who deserved it along with everyone in the van. They should not have been on the property to begin with and instigating a fight by trying to take Misty against her will, imo.

I haven't seen where Misty said that she had not called them crying and wanting to leave Ron's house. I've only seen where she said that Hank had called her phone several times during that day and that she told him not to come over. She may have intentionally left off the beginning of this episode in order to change the situation around. IMO, Ron probably found out about the call to her brother to come and get her and told her she couldn't answer the phone if her brother called back. After numbers calls unanswered, Ron told her to answer the phone and tell them not to come over. She did that. Her brother and parents were worried and came over anyway.

If you had a daughter who had called you for help earlier in the day and crying asked you to come and get her and then you couldn't get her back on the phone for hours and then she finally calls you back and tells you not to come over, I'm betting that you would be right there, probably with your own shotgun to get your daughter. You would most likely figure out that she was under duress from Ron when she didn't answer the phone and when she called and told you not to come. From reading your posts, I'm willing to bet that you would be right there. But, you may not have, maybe you would have just left your daughter to deal with Ron in any way she could.............I already know what I would have done because I have had to do this in real life for one of my daughters.

 

[PorcineGranny]

The argument is Did Misty call for help, or did she call and tell them to stay away?
We won't know for awhile but common sense tells me that Misty had to call for help because her mom, dad and brother came to help her. If it had just been Tommy and he had been told to stay away, his parents probably wouldn't be with him. Just like SS feels with absolution that Misty didn't call for help, I feel she did. If she didn't call for help why would Ron come out looking for a fight? If it had just been a visit, I wouldn't think he would have been angry. These are just my opinions, but none of it is answering the question where is Haleigh?

 

[Skully]

I haven't seen where Misty said that she had not called them crying and wanting to leave Ron's house. I've only seen where she said that Hank had called her phone several times during that day and that she told him not to come over. She may have intentionally left off the beginning of this episode in order to change the situation around. IMO, Ron probably found out about the call to her brother to come and get her and told her she couldn't answer the phone if her brother called back. After numbers calls unanswered, Ron told her to answer the phone and tell them not to come over. She did that. Her brother and parents were worried and came over anyway.

If you had a daughter who had called you for help earlier in the day and crying asked you to come and get her and then you couldn't get her back on the phone for hours and then she finally calls you back and tells you not to come over, I'm betting that you would be right there, probably with your own shotgun to get your daughter. You would most likely figure out that she was under duress from Ron when she didn't answer the phone and when she called and told you not to come. From reading your posts, I'm willing to bet that you would be right there. But, you may not have, maybe you would have just left your daughter to deal with Ron in any way she could.............I already know what I would have done because I have had to do this in real life for one of my daughters.

Lone I would have gone over too, had it been a daughter of mine, but given the history of what we know and they know, 911 would have been the best thing to do. They do "Wellness checks", and if they would have called for that house, you bet the cops would have checked on her.... gladly.

 

[mysticrose]

The Croslins did no such thing as "wisely" try to leave when the violence broke out, imo. GGS had to work to get them to their vehicle and force them to leave, IIRC. Yes, the women did try to break them up which tells me they had no intention of leaving when the violence erupted. The Croslins didn't seem to worry about hitting Misty in the middle of the fight either, imo. So much for care and concern about her welfare!

Any one knows that if you put yourself in the middle of two fighting men your bound to get a good whap..JMO

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

The Croslins did no such thing as "wisely" try to leave when the violence broke out, imo. GGS had to work to get them to their vehicle and force them to leave, IIRC. Yes, the women did try to break them up which tells me they had no intention of leaving when the violence erupted. The Croslins didn't seem to worry about hitting Misty in the middle of the fight either, imo. So much for care and concern about her welfare!

SS..It is apparent from the police report that Sykes could NOT control her grandson. That troubles me greatly. If he cannot abide his grandmother's rules and direction--what does that suggest about his ability to control himself when alone? He coudnt' respect her wishes and stay in the house? Sorry, he does not get a pass from me on this aberrant behavior.

 

[Gracenote]

I haven't seen where Misty said that she had not called them crying and wanting to leave Ron's house. I've only seen where she said that Hank had called her phone several times during that day and that she told him not to come over. She may have intentionally left off the beginning of this episode in order to change the situation around. IMO, Ron probably found out about the call to her brother to come and get her and told her she couldn't answer the phone if her brother called back. After numbers calls unanswered, Ron told her to answer the phone and tell them not to come over. She did that. Her brother and parents were worried and came over anyway.

If you had a daughter who had called you for help earlier in the day and crying asked you to come and get her and then you couldn't get her back on the phone for hours and then she finally calls you back and tells you not to come over, I'm betting that you would be right there, probably with your own shotgun to get your daughter. You would most likely figure out that she was under duress from Ron when she didn't answer the phone and when she called and told you not to come. From reading your posts, I'm willing to bet that you would be right there. But, you may not have, maybe you would have just left your daughter to deal with Ron in any way she could.............I already know what I would have done because I have had to do this in real life for one of my daughters.

I would be worried sick and I would insist on speaking to her alone just to be sure she wasn't being forced to stay against her will. Being female, I would have a deputy come with me to do the welfare check. Their presence tends to keep people from acting out. Plus you have a witness if anything does happen.

 

[Skully]

SS..It is apparent from the police report that Sykes could NOT control her grandson. That troubles me greatly. If he cannot abide his grandmother's rules and direction--what does that suggest about his ability to control himself when alone? He coudnt' respect her wishes and stay in the house? Sorry, he does not get a pass from me on this aberrant behavior.

I think it's terrible that a woman of her age, has to control Ron. He should be in control of himself. You are right it is her home, and this should not be at her door.

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

I think it's terrible that a woman of her age, has to control Ron. He should be in control of himself. You are right it is her home, and this should not be at her door.

ITA....If this were one of my brothers at that age disrespecting our grandmom...you can bet that jail would have been the easier out...

Honest to God...the disrespect shown to AS makes me so angry. :furious:

 

[atherella]

We are discussing Ron and his troubles. He has now got another attorney. He apparently did not want a public defender. Criminal attorneys are expensive so I guess it will be worth it to have one. Misty now has two attorneys, if she is going to use Ron's for the Ratgate. Is she an accomplice or did she not have any idea the Rat was in the car....Yikes! OR third option, does she not get to testify against her husband?

So RC drives to St. Augustine for his attorney and then he probably drives Misty to her attorney in Palatka.

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Hold on a second. Let's be clear, Whisperer.

Ron got a new FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY to appear at the hearing on the 27th.

These are the latest filings on the docket related to the Custodial Matters relating to Ron and Crystal. Notice the BOLDED PART (BBM)

2009-08-10 070.NOTICE OF APPEARANCE - CAROL CALDWELL FOR MOTHER
2009-08-10 071.MOTHERS EMERGENCY VERIFIED MOTION FOR COUNSELING
2009-08-10 FOR MINOR CHILD
2009-08-17 072.NOTICE OF NON REPRESENTATION - T JERRY SNIDER FOR
2009-08-17 RONALD CUMMINGS
2009-08-18 073.NOTICE OF SERVICE VIA UNITED STATES MAIL DELIVERY
2009-08-18 OF EMERGENCY MOTION TO RONALD L CUMMINGS
2009-08-18 074.NOTICE OF HEARING/AWN FOR 08/27/09 AT 03:00
2009-08-19 075.AMENDED NOTICE OF NON REPRESENTATION - JERRY SNYDER
2009-08-19 076.NOTICE OF APPEARANCE-BRANDON BEARDSLEY FOR PETITIONER

Ron is the Petitioner. Brandon Beardsley filed an appearance for Ron.

How in the WORLD does this mean that "Ron does not want a public defender" as you claim? Do you have a link to Brandon Beardsley filing an appearance in the criminal court? If so, I'd like to see it please. Ron is still represented in the criminal charges by a public defender. Let me take your rumor one step further. How does Ron getting a FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY mean MISTY has two attorneys?

 

[Skully]

ITA....If this were one of my brothers at that age disrespecting our grandmom...you can bet that jail would have been the easier out...

Honest to God...the disrespect shown to AS makes me so angry. :furious:

My dad would have woooped out butts, even at that age if we would have said one disrespectful word to a grandparent, or got into a fight like that in her home. Things are not the way they used to be, that is for sure.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

Did RC hire an attorney from St. Augustine?

IDK - it says the new attorney is appearing for the petitioner - isn't Crystal the petitioner in this motion ?

 

[lonetraveler]

Lone I would have gone over too, had it been a daughter of mine, but given the history of what we know and they know, 911 would have been the best thing to do. They do "Wellness checks", and if they would have called for that house, you bet the cops would have checked on her.... gladly.

Given the history of all of these individuals, I don't think that LE are ever called until after the fact. In this case, JMO, but I think people on both sides of this feud have a lotttttttttttttt of information on each other that could really incriminate themselves if LE were called in and REALLY investigated this family. I think that one person can't really point the finger at the other person because each person is afraid that tempers will erupt and secrets will be spilled in the process. That is why the rat was found in the mailbox (a little message to the Croslins to keep their mouths shut). LE called because the Croslins wanted LE to know about the threat and for a report to be on file just in case Ron had plans to take one of them fishing, or a house fire occurred, or a car accident, you get my drift. This saga just will not end and I truly hope that Haleigh is found and justice is done and I hope that Jr. is moved to a safer environment.

 

[RR0004]

I never disputed it was a fact that he was arrested. As we all know, just because someone is arrested for something doesn't necessarily mean they did that something.

You are right...but it is what it is...and we'll just have to wait to see what happens. That's all we really can do.

...and here's to TES finding Haleigh!

 

[lonetraveler]

Any one knows that if you put yourself in the middle of two fighting men your bound to get a good whap..JMO

This isn't Misty's first rodeo. I'm sure she has seen a few (cough, cough) fights in her lifetime to know that when fists are flying, get out of the darn way and get your face out of the fray............at this point in time,,,,,,with these two families, there is no telling who hit her in the face. She could have been hit before her family even arrived. Or Ron could have hit her during the fight as well.............It was supposedly at night, light most likely wasn't too bright. BTW, where are her injuries? Coming out of the police station after getting Ron out on bail, she did not appear to have any marks on her face, after getting hit twice by a man in the middle of a fist fight? There should have been at least a shiner.

 

[atherella]

IDK - it says the new attorney is appearing for the petitioner - isn't Crystal the petitioner in this motion ?

Crystal did file this motion.

However, Ron was the Petitioner in the original filing in the court years ago. In family law, the Petitioner stays the Petitioner in all filings throughout the entire history of the case. So, no matter what motions are brought before the court, Crystal will always be the Respondent and Ron will always be the Petitioner.

For example:

2009-07-17 066.MOTION TO WITHDRAW - KIM PICAZIO/RESPONDENT

I realize that Crystal brought forth the Motion for Counseling, but it would be the Respondent's Motion for Counseling. The docket has it labeled as Mother's motion, though.

Hope that helps.



ETA - Crystal already has a new attorney that filed an appearance on August 10th. Carol Caldwell.

2009-08-10 070.NOTICE OF APPEARANCE - CAROL CALDWELL FOR MOTHER

 

[lonetraveler]

The argument is Did Misty call for help, or did she call and tell them to stay away?
We won't know for awhile but common sense tells me that Misty had to call for help because her mom, dad and brother came to help her. If it had just been Tommy and he had been told to stay away, his parents probably wouldn't be with him. Just like SS feels with absolution that Misty didn't call for help, I feel she did. If she didn't call for help why would Ron come out looking for a fight? If it had just been a visit, I wouldn't think he would have been angry. These are just my opinions, but none of it is answering the question where is Haleigh?

I have posted my thoughts on this but just to reinterate: I think she did both. She called for help and she also called and told them not to come. There..............