Ron C. # 11

[Busylady]

I will wait until all the witness statements from both sides in both situations come out before considering anyone guilty of anything. IMO after reviewing the drive down the street on google maps and bing maps there is no way the witness could of seen his mailbox at midnight or any other time of day, much less see someone actually placing something in the mailbox, unless she walked outside and walked down her driveway towards the street, there are trees, another house, in addition to her house sits back further away from the street. She did not bother calling 911 when she saw the incident take place which is another red flag for me.

There are different stories about what took place the night of the assault, alot of it does not make sense to me. They were calling all day but waited until 11 pm approximately to load up and go there? Misty states she did not ask them to come "rescue" her, Misty states they were asked not to come. The fact that Misty told them not to come, indicates to me they would of known there would be a problem if they just showed up, they would of known that Misty was not going to go with them - yet they didnt bother to call police they all loaded into the van and showed up instead.

IMO once all the info and statements come out an entirely different picture will be painted about what occurred in both these instances and the motivation to involve LE will become clear. JMO

 

[LaLaw2000]

I just want the truth in this no matter what it turns out to be.

I cannot call an eyewitness a liar because I simply do not know. She has signed a statement.

I just happen to believe that Ronald is a ticking time bomb that will sooner or later explode.

JMO, MOO

 

[kiki the parrot]

"Hank (Jr) stated that he, Lisa and Hank Sr had gotten a phone call from Misty who was crying and yelling. He said that Misty asked for them to come to her residence and pick her up because she no longer wanted to be at the residence with Ronald."

"After speaking with Hank Jr, I spoke with Lisa Croslin. Lisa stated that she was not sure what Ronald was on but he was not in the right state of mind. She said that up until now she never knew him as being violent. She said that they had received a phone call from her daughter Misty screaming and crying. She said that she was worried about her daughter and went to the residence to check on her. She said that when they arrived on scene Ronald went crazy. She said that when they were in the driveway of the residence Ronald came to the vehicle and hit her son."

Finally, Hank Sr stated that "Ronald went crazy on his son. He said that they arrived and Ronald came out irate. He said that Ronald hit his son several times and then was forced back into the residence. He stated that after a few more minutes Ronald came back out and initiated another fight."

Seems pretty clear to me that when interviewed independently and/or in their respective statements, each in fact confirmed they had received a call from Misty, crying and upset. I didn't say her family never tried to reach her, return her call or w/e. I simply said that a call WAS PLACED per every one of these witnesses to their home pleading for their help. I imagine phone records will bear this out as well. I guess you would have us to believe all THREE are on a vendetta, all THREE filled w spite and revenge, all THREE lying and making false statements, in cahoots to set him up, conspiring to frame poor RC... I'm just not buyin it even GMS and MC refute portions of what you assert.

HC2 can neither predict RC's lawbreaking any more than he is responsible for RC's hairtrigger temper. No amount of minimizing, trivializing, normalizing, rationalizing or spinning the report changes the fact no one reported HC2 "RUSHED" anybody, according to everyone present (including GMS and MC) it was not HC2 but RC who became violent and shoved HC2, a point we've been over and over--made clear in the PR, and crystal with the arrest. Nothing about it was determined to be the slightest in self-defense "protection mode" lol. Quite the opposite. Yet we're to believe everyone was involved in this "set-up."

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=142937&provider=top

arrot:

 

[kiki the parrot]

I just want the truth in this no matter what it turns out to be.

I cannot call an eyewitness a liar because I simply do not know. She has signed a statement.

I just happen to believe that Ronald is a ticking time bomb that will sooner or later explode. JMO

(bbm) ITA Yet some do not flinch or hesitate to do just that--it's become second nature or reflexive action at this point. JMO

arrot:

 

[Emeralgem]

Misty, IMO, never called ANY of them crying and asking them to come get her. I guess it will come out in court. Tommy spent the day calling her instead according to Misty and this can be proven by phone records, imo. He wanted this to escalate and it did, imo. This was the first set up. (It is possible Tommy just told them Misty had called him with that whole bs story.)

This is not vigilante justice. This is a crock! What Tommy is doing is out of pure spite and revenge, but for what?! I believe he has something against not only Ronald, but Misty. Misty did the right thing in filing the RO, but I believe it is the reason for the latest "tale" of Tommy's with the rat.

No one is waffling that I can tell and there is no double standard. Ronald didn't have time to call LE once Tommy rushed him and then he went back outside to try to save Tommy from "TAKING" Misty. Yes, he should have called...I will agree there. However, he was in protection mode and was determined not to let them take his wife against her will. With the rat, the neighbor and Tommy should have called 911, but failed to act. They had no reason not to call! (Tommy should have called LE both times, but instead preferred to get things set up first, imo!) He is out to get them both, imo.

How do you know that Tommy is doing this out of spite and revenge.. or that he is out to get them both?

Do you know what really happened to Haleigh that afternoon or that night and who all could be involved?

I suspect the Croslins know something about the night Haleigh disappeared and that is why there was an altercation earlier that afternoon between Ron C and Hank Jr..per GGMS..
I suspect the Croslins want Misty away from Ron C because they know she is covering for him..
Could be.. Even though they are not directly involved in Haleigh's disappearance, they gave false information to LE that night to protect Ron C and Misty...JMO

And in reference to Ron C being protective toward Misty, now thats a crock.
I've seen him walk right past her, ignore her. Never even look her way when she was needing help answering a simple question... Refer to her to the authorites as his Dumb B!+C# girlfriend..And the list goes on.

He doesn't seem too protective toward her to me.... JMO

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I didn't call her a liar...I said she COULD be lying. And she darn should could be!! Have you checked this woman out at all? Do we know if she has motivation to make such a statement?

I would be a ticking time bomb if I were him! Look at the tremendous stress he is under and the carp that keeps being thrown at him! A man can only take so much, imo. I hope that Ronald does get some counseling and help to deal with this mess (which I DO NOT believe he created). I think he woke up one day, went to work, and when he came home...his worst nightmare took over his life as he knew it and it will never end.

If Haleigh came home tomorrow and proved that he did nothing...people are still going to go after him because they have all this pent up hatred towards the man. Poor Haleigh. She doesn't deserve this.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

I think the lot of them are dangerous. But you leave absent the possibility that the windows were down. It was a hot, muggy night. Maybe there's air/co. Probably is. But she knew Ronald's truck and she identified Ronald as putting something in the mailbox. It is not inconceivable that her view was unobstructed by tinted windows. As you so eloquently put it, if people just allow the possibilities, ......

Good morning.

I'm wondering whether or not you looked at the map of these houses? She says she was watching tv when she saw it and I assume the tv is INSIDE her house. When you look at the map, you will see that it is highly unlikely she saw what she said she saw, unless of course all those trees were cut down etc.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

"Hank (Jr) stated that he, Lisa and Hank Sr had gotten a phone call from Misty who was crying and yelling. He said that Misty asked for them to come to her residence and pick her up because she no longer wanted to be at the residence with Ronald."

"After speaking with Hank Jr, I spoke with Lisa Croslin. Lisa stated that she was not sure what Ronald was on but he was not in the right state of mind. She said that up until now she never knew him as being violent. She said that they had received a phone call from her daughter Misty screaming and crying. She said that she was worried about her daughter and went to the residence to check on her. She said that when they arrived on scene Ronald went crazy. She said that when they were in the driveway of the residence Ronald came to the vehicle and hit her son."

Finally, Hank Sr stated that "Ronald went crazy on his son. He said that they arrived and Ronald came out irate. He said that Ronald hit his son several times and then was forced back into the residence. He stated that after a few more minutes Ronald came back out and initiated another fight."

Seems pretty clear to me that when interviewed independently and/or in their respective statements, each in fact confirmed they had received a call from Misty, crying and upset. I didn't say her family never tried to reach her, return her call or w/e. I simply said that a call WAS PLACED per every one of these witnesses to their home pleading for their help. I imagine phone records will bear this out as well. I guess you would have us to believe all THREE are on a vendetta, all THREE filled w spite and revenge, all THREE lying and making false statements, in cahoots to set him up, conspiring to frame poor RC... I'm just not buyin it even GMS and MC refute portions of what you assert.

HC2 can neither predict RC's lawbreaking any more than he is responsible for RC's hairtrigger temper. No amount of minimizing, trivializing, normalizing, rationalizing or spinning the report changes the fact no one reported HC2 "RUSHED" anybody, according to everyone present (including GMS and MC) it was not HC2 but RC who became violent and shoved HC2, a point we've been over and over--made clear in the PR, and crystal with the arrest. Nothing about it was determined to be the slightest in self-defense "protection mode" lol. Quite the opposite. Yet we're to believe everyone

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=142937&provider=top

arrot:

I don't buy their stories. I also know they had time BEFORE they showed up to create them, get them straight, and time afterwards before calling 911, imo. They knew exactly how this was going to go down before they ever trespassed on GGS' property before starting this fight, imo. I do believe Ronald when he says that Tommy came at him in an aggressive manner...which I would call "rushing him".

I wouldn't doubt that the Croslins, or at least Tommy, knows what happened to Haleigh because it is quite possible he could have taken her or someone he knows could have taken her...without Misty or Ronald being aware of anything, imo.

You bet it will all come out in court and those phone records will prove they came over to initiate this response, imo. I don't think Tommy realizes the trouble he can get into for all of this if he is lying...but I hope when everything is said and done...he is the one who ends up in jail for a very long time if they find he did lie and manipulate all of this, imo.

 

[mysticrose]

It is really hard to go by google maps as alot of them are old. I realize they may say 2008 but a look at my home still shows my mulberry tree and my 73 mustang in the drive. Now the mulberry tree has been cut down now for about I think 3 years and the last time I tagged my Mustang was in 2006 it has been in my garage since, so I would not put to much reliabilty into those maps. Plus another thing they have a habit of doing is placing the wrong address to the home, so unless you are physically there, right now I belive it is a moot point. JMO of course

 

[kiki the parrot]

Say what you will... doesn't change the altercation, arrest, eyewitness report, or the other facts in this sorry situation. Certainly in the aftermath, RC has brought all this upon himself w his unruly behavior. It is those attempting to justify and rationalize every facet of his conduct, dismissing witnesses out of hand, who need to take a step back IMO. I have said over and over I have no pony in this race. It's clear to me RC is w/out a doubt his own worst enemy.

arrot:

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

It's really a shame that some here on a crime victim's site honestly believe HC2 should just "take it like a man" which in reality translates to resign himself to be RC's whipping boy, take the beat downs, harassing threats, retaliation w dead rats... and w/e else RC feels like dishing out w/out reporting any of it. Because a brother or parent responds to their family member's calls for help; because he isn't seeking vigilante justice but rather appears to be making an effort to let the law intervene to handle the incident...

I mean a few days ago--despite explaining the contact was initiated by Misty when she placed a call which caused concern--weren't the same people bashing HC2 for NOT calling LE and trying to handle it themselves!? GMAB. There is no sense in this waffling, double standard, backtracking, contradictions and hypocrisy.

Living w Mommy and Daddy? :floorlaugh: If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black...

arrot:

This is actually a sleuthing site, which is victim friendly (or at least it was!). It used to be rare that people would post allegations as fact here, but it's becoming more common. The threads used to be littered with maps, public records and all sorts of product from hard working sleuths.

There are some excellent maps available that show the 2 properties and the view between them. I'd highly urge everyone here to put on their sleuthing caps (as opposed to their "judging" caps) for a few minutes and take a look at the map before you jump to conclusions about the credibility of the neighbor.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Good morning.

I'm wondering whether or not you looked at the map of these houses? She says she was watching tv when she saw it and I assume the tv is INSIDE her house. When you look at the map, you will see that it is highly unlikely she saw what she said she saw, unless of course all those trees were cut down etc.

It looks the same on Bing maps as it does on Google etc. I believe that Bing is the latest technology out there and would show a more current view of the properties. The trees are still there, imo.

 

[mysticrose]

It is really hard to go by google maps as alot of them are old. I realize they may say 2008 but a look at my home still shows my mulberry tree and my 73 mustang in the drive. Now the mulberry tree has been cut down now for about I think 3 years and the last time I tagged my Mustang was in 2006 it has been in my garage since, so I would not put to much reliabilty into those maps. Plus another thing they have a habit of doing is placing the wrong address to the home, so unless you are physically there, right now I belive it is a moot point. JMO of course

Just bumping..

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Good morning.

I'm wondering whether or not you looked at the map of these houses? She says she was watching tv when she saw it and I assume the tv is INSIDE her house. When you look at the map, you will see that it is highly unlikely she saw what she said she saw, unless of course all those trees were cut down etc.

I strongly disagree.

Patricia has no horse in this race, no reason to lie, and absolutely no reason to want to jump into a mess.


As far as what can be seen--
There is a large easement and the mailboxes are at the edge of the road. The only home around there that cannot directly see the Croslins mailbox is the Croslins unless they are on the side of the home.
A large evergreen is planted between the mailbox and the home.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I am going by the tax maps and Bing maps. The addresses both check out to the correct names. If the tax maps are wrong...then there is a problem with location and addresses for sure. This has been an issue with me for awhile since I could have sworn Tommy lived behind the wooded area which is directly behind Haleigh's house and where the path went through for them to visit. I guess I was wrong and the address is around the corner plus farther down the street.

 

[kiki the parrot]

I don't buy their stories. I also know they had time BEFORE they showed up to create them, get them straight, and time afterwards before calling 911, imo. They knew exactly how this was going to go down before they ever trespassed on GGS' property before starting this fight, imo. I do believe Ronald when he says that Tommy came at him in an aggressive manner...which I would call "rushing him".

I wouldn't doubt that the Croslins, or at least Tommy, knows what happened to Haleigh because it is quite possible he could have taken her or someone he knows could have taken her...without Misty or Ronald being aware of anything, imo.

You bet it will all come out in court and those phone records will prove they came over to initiate this response, imo. I don't think Tommy realizes the trouble he can get into for all of this if he is lying...but I hope when everything is said and done...he is the one who ends up in jail for a very long time if they find he did lie and manipulate all of this, imo.

You sound awfully sure of yourself, for someone who was not present at the time of the alleged abduction, the assault, nor in the living room to witness this vehicle and the delivery of the dead rodent... In advance of a trial, and facts all emerging, I am not personally "hoping" anyone spends their life in jail. Are you also equally hopeful if HC2, Lisa and HC's accounts are proven accurate and truthful that RC spends a long time in jail? Somehow that isn't quite the feeling I'm getting here. The impression I'm getting is that there will always be another excuse around the corner. At that point the jury, the judge and the prosecutor will all be corrupt, in cahoots, and conspiring against poor RC too, right? JMO

arrot:

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

I strongly disagree.

Patricia has no horse in this race, no reason to lie, and absolutely no reason to want to jump into a mess.


As far as what can be seen--
There is a large easement and the mailboxes are at the edge of the road. The only home around there that cannot directly see the Croslins mailbox is the Croslins unless they are on the side of the home.
A large evergreen is planted between the mailbox and the home.

Do you know Patricia? If not, I am confused how it is you can state that as a fact?

I think you are looking at the wrong map.

 

[mysticrose]

I didn't call her a liar...I said she COULD be lying. And she darn should could be!! Have you checked this woman out at all? Do we know if she has motivation to make such a statement?

I would be a ticking time bomb if I were him! Look at the tremendous stress he is under and the carp that keeps being thrown at him! A man can only take so much, imo. I hope that Ronald does get some counseling and help to deal with this mess (which I DO NOT believe he created). I think he woke up one day, went to work, and when he came home...his worst nightmare took over his life as he knew it and it will never end.

If Haleigh came home tomorrow and proved that he did nothing...people are still going to go after him because they have all this pent up hatred towards the man. Poor Haleigh. She doesn't deserve this.

BBM...
I think that is beyond ridiculous. Sleuthing a witness, well we know how far that will go here at WS, Thank God ! Not everyone is out to get Ron we will have to wait and see. JMO...

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

I am going by the tax maps and Bing maps. The addresses both check out to the correct names. If the tax maps are wrong...then there is a problem with location and addresses for sure. This has been an issue with me for awhile since I could have sworn Tommy lived behind the wooded area which is directly behind Haleigh's house and where the path went through for them to visit. I guess I was wrong and the address is around the corner plus farther down the street.

SS, that misinformation was early on. Tommy lives a block north, but a ways east.
Croslin home faces north; Cummings home faces south.

It does look like there might be a cut-through in the woods or alley, that is if it is not heavy with undergrowth.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Do you know Patricia? If not, I am confused how it is you can state that as a fact?

I think you are looking at the wrong map.

No. Common sense.

No.

Yes.