Ron C. # 11

[minazoe]

I have seen the lives of a lot of poor people in my life and I don't beleive those children were living in that bad of an enviorment, compared to alot of kids. I think just the fact that they had the little bed in their room was sweet and very telling of the love that was there.

The partying and other low grade drug stuff going on is not good... but it doesn't mean the kids were mistreated or abused. Lot's of young people don't do laundry and have messy houses...and makeshift college style furniture...Ron went to work to support his family at night.

The grandparents were doing laundry and things that grandparents do for their babies.

One thing I stand firm on though, Misty was too young for the enormous responsibility of taking care of children that weren't her own as a wife or adult parent. I think she is
probably fairly mature though since she has had a hard scrabble life.

I don't think she is intentionally lying...I think she likes the attention and I beleive she is a sweet girl. Possibly she deeply suspects her own kin of doing this and either cannot acknowledge it ( denial) or is terrified to even have it be known she may of suggested it.

just thoughts.

 

[kikid]

I've been thinking that. The fight could have been that she couldn't get the children to behave and he said to whip them, or to give Haleigh a dose of something that led to her demise. Although he was at work he still could be culpable. I hope not. I would not that hell on a father's conscience. No links or proof, obviously, but there is a reason that the Cummings so stubbornly protect Misty and turn on anyone who implies otherwise. I don't think it's because they love her like a daughter.

They are about the only ones who can connect all the dots and compile all of the information and give LE probable cause to arrest her. If, in fact, the evidence exists.

lets throw this wrench in the works... what if GGMS administered meds when she was there, at Ron's request....?? then what??

so taking your scenerio up a notch... lets say Misty is exhausted from her 3 day bender, the kids are full of peanuts and acting up, the house is a disaster, no laundry detg., probably no food (misty had been gone 3 days), hailee can't miss another day of school and needs to go to bed asap.... so great grandma brings over fresh washed clothes and administers some meds so hailee & jr will sleep.... misty crashes hard, wakes later to find haleigh near death or dead....

then this gives them ALL reason to lie, cover up, and deceive.

of course this is just my exploring another of a long list of possibilities... and moo

 

[kikid]

another thought came to mind after writing the previous post, perhaps Misty is convinced that because she was a minor at the time and a woman prison would be much easier than for RC. Plus then he wouldn't lose his son. just thinking of why she'd lie or cover for him (if in fact she is doing that).

 

[cyberborg]

Haleigh <> Caylee
Big Fight <> Big Fight
Missing Next Day <> Missing Next Day
Haleigh kidnapped <> Caylee kidnapped
Major Inconsistencies <> Major Mistruths
Distraction <> Distraction
Circus of Bad Actors <> Circus of Bad Actors
Bounty Hunter <> Bounty Hounter
Dysfunctional Family <> Dsyfunctional Family
Search for Haleigh <> Search for Caylee
Kidnapper Appeal <> No Kidnapper Appeal
Young Sitter/Mother <> Young Mother
Dad and Gun <> Dad and Gun
TM TES maligned <> TM TES Maligned
LE Untrusted <> LE Untrusted
Double Talk <> Double Talk
Story Evolves <> Story Evolves
Failed Poly <> Declined Poly
Do not work <> Do not work
Hurting Investigation <> Hurting Investigation
Some Other Druggie Did It <> Some Other Dude Did It​

 

[Busylady]

He would of had roughly 10 minutes between picking her up from bus stop and then heading to work. Haleigh was seen playing in the front yard by neighbors (discounting all family sightings of her) So RC hurt Haleigh, she went on to play in the front yard hours later and then died sometime later from the injuries she sustained from RC?

Excellent post. I would like to take it a step further. Ron could still be DIRECTLY involved as well. LE has stated time and time again that they do not know what time this crime was committed against Haleigh.
For instance, he could have assaulted her before work and she died later from internal injuries. (closed head injury, for example)

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

Haleigh <> Caylee
Big Fight <> Big Fight
Missing Next Day <> Missing Next Day
Haleigh kidnapped <> Caylee kidnapped
Major Inconsistencies <> Major Mistruths
Distraction <> Distraction
Circus of Bad Actors <> Circus of Bad Actors
Bounty Hunter <> Bounty Hounter
Dysfunctional Family <> Dsyfunctional Family
Search for Haleigh <> Search for Caylee
Kidnapper Appeal <> No Kidnapper Appeal
Young Sitter/Mother <> Young Mother
Dad and Gun <> Dad and Gun
TM TES maligned <> TM TES Maligned
LE Untrusted <> LE Untrusted
Double Talk <> Double Talk
Story Evolves <> Story Evolves
Failed Poly <> Declined Poly
Do not work <> Do not work
Hurting Investigation <> Hurting Investigation
Some Other Druggie Did It <> Some Other Dude Did It​

Great thought-provoking post..thanks...

 

[Adalena935]

He may not be responsible for the disappearance of his daughter, and that is not what she is saying, IMO.

I defended Cindy and George too, for a long time. I still have sympathy for their loss, because it is obvious that they loved Caylee far more than her own mother did, apparently. However, I can sympathize with someone and still not like what that person does. I can look through the forest and still see the trees.

And... maybe some of you are making excuses for the wrong people in this case as well. Time will tell. The only one I really have the utmost concern for here is Haleigh. I'm on her side, and all I want is to know what happened to her. IF anyone on either side knows anything that can bring her home, then it's time for them to do the right thing and talk to LE.

The one I have concern for is Haleigh and want to know what happened to her also. I'm on her side too. It's a very frustrating case. She's been missing a long time and that to me is extremely troubling.

 

[badme102]

He would of had roughly 10 minutes between picking her up from bus stop and then heading to work. Haleigh was seen playing in the front yard by neighbors (discounting all family sightings of her) So RC hurt Haleigh, she went on to play in the front yard hours later and then died sometime later from the injuries she sustained from RC?

It takes but one second to strike a child Busy. That is just one scenario I was giving. Natasha Richardson died after she had what she thought was a 'minor' bump to her head. It took her hours to pass away. No blood, no real sign of trauma, nothing. She felt fine for hours too.

There is also the possibility that Ron instructed Misty to give Haleigh something to 'help her sleep', which would make them both culpable in her death, if the drug killed her.

 

[Busylady]

K I understand now what you are saying.

It takes but one second to strike a child Busy. That is just one scenario I was giving. Natasha Richardson died after she had what she thought was a 'minor' bump to her head. It took her hours to pass away. No blood, no real sign of trauma, nothing. She felt fine for hours too.

There is also the possibility that Ron instructed Misty to give Haleigh something to 'help her sleep', which would make them both culpable in her death, if the drug killed her.

 

[snookie]

Round and round we go same o same o

Lets trying looking at the new information. Like who is LARRY???

Perhaps he's a relative of Zenaida Gonzales?

 

[cyberborg]

It takes but one second to strike a child Busy. That is just one scenario I was giving. Natasha Richardson died after she had what she thought was a 'minor' bump to her head. It took her hours to pass away. No blood, no real sign of trauma, nothing. She felt fine for hours too.

There is also the possibility that Ron instructed Misty to give Haleigh something to 'help her sleep', which would make them both culpable in her death, if the drug killed her.

Yup. It is called "thinking outside the box", just because we have emotionally or logically identified with someone and, based on the "known" facts consider them innocent and not involved does not mean anything until the case is solved.

Like a good Miss Marple or Poirot there are twists and turns and often the person you suspect the least is culpable. We simply don't know so we are all guilty of taking positions based on our gut, emotions, logic. Myself included.

We are debating and posting from those positions of bias.

I admire those posters who treat everything with the skepticism that it deserves and do not take a position, take a side. We should treat them all equally with the exact same doubt -- no one is ruled out yet.

Even if LE rules someone out it can be a game to take the focus off them and see what they do/say.

Having returned recently to Haleigh after months away I have an open mind and suspect everyone equally, especially MC AND RC.

I am in the camp that RC and other should undergo the same questioning and poly. Poly both MC and RC and others and then take them to task on the inconsistencies.

To me, RC is not out of the woods until the case is solved and we have Haleigh and the perp.

 

[Baxter]

I think some are really just angry that TJH came out and said Ronald was verified to be at work so everything will be beaten to death and back again to take the focus off what the real issue is here. IMO, it proves Ronald had nothing to do with Haleigh going missing and was nowhere near the home because he was AT WORK.

It also appears he is cooperating with LE, too.:

Shoemaker said Cummings will do anything is takes to find his daughter, even if it means undergoing another polygraph.

"I know the investigation is continuing. We've met with law enforcement in the past couple of days and we hope to meet with law enforcement again soon to help shed any light on Haleigh's disappearance," Shoemaker said. "We will do anything we can to help resolve this.

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/09/03/news/news02.txt

TJ Hart has been saying this from the very beginning. Nothing has changed.

I was just browsing the internet, and looked ad David L site. The following link states Ronald left at 10:00 for work for a 10-3:00am shift.

When police arrived at the mobile home in the Hermit's Cove area of Satsuma, they were greeted by a frantic Ronald Cummings. When deputies were finally able to calm him down, he explained that he had last seen his daughter at about 10:00 p.m. that night before he left for work. When he returned home, at about 3:45 a.m., his girlfriend had told him that his daughter was missing.


http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/04/haleigh-cummings.html

 

[cyberborg]

TJ Hart has been saying this from the very beginning. Nothing has changed.

I was just browsing the internet, and looked ad David L site. The following link states Ronald left at 10:00 for work for a 10-3:00am shift.

When police arrived at the mobile home in the Hermit's Cove area of Satsuma, they were greeted by a frantic Ronald Cummings. When deputies were finally able to calm him down, he explained that he had last seen his daughter at about 10:00 p.m. that night before he left for work. When he returned home, at about 3:45 a.m., his girlfriend had told him that his daughter was missing.


http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/04/haleigh-cummings.html

It is also stated in the Feb 11 article as well.....

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/02/haleigh-cummings.html

Facts wrong?

 

[atherella]

TJ Hart has been saying this from the very beginning. Nothing has changed.

I was just browsing the internet, and looked ad David L site. The following link states Ronald left at 10:00 for work for a 10-3:00am shift.

When police arrived at the mobile home in the Hermit's Cove area of Satsuma, they were greeted by a frantic Ronald Cummings. When deputies were finally able to calm him down, he explained that he had last seen his daughter at about 10:00 p.m. that night before he left for work. When he returned home, at about 3:45 a.m., his girlfriend had told him that his daughter was missing.


http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/04/haleigh-cummings.html

Well, we know some of that information is incorrect.

Ron was home when the 911 call was made at 3:27 am, so he didn't get home at "about 3:45 am". LE arrived (per the police report) at 3:40 am.

That blog was written on April 23 - there is a lot more up-to-date information available now.

TJ Hart reported today that Ron's work hours were 4pm - 3am. Before TJ reports anything, he confirms his information with at least 3 or 4 sources since he has been burned in the past. This is what TJ had to say:

Ronald's work hours that night were 4pm to 3am. Law officers and officials at PDM both state that Ronald was present and accounted for that night. Telephone records and cell phone pings lend strong support to those statements by law enforcement and PDM.

http://www.thesky973.com/pages/5144515.php

So he is citing sources from LE and PDM.

 

[Baxter]

It is also stated in the Feb 11 article as well.....

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/02/haleigh-cummings.html

Facts wrong?

From the link you posted :

Croslin further said that she observed a blanket and sheets scattered on the wooden ramp leading from the door.

This is saying that the sheet and blankets were left by the person that took Haleigh?

 

[cyberborg]

From the link you posted :

Croslin further said that she observed a blanket and sheets scattered on the wooden ramp leading from the door.

This is saying that the sheet and blankets were left by the person that took Haleigh?

To me this is a mix of an early story with some in-accurate facts as well as an evolving initial story from MC and RC. It is good to go back to the start and re-read what was known/said back then. David is a good source.

The initial report sounds a lot more 'staged' and they either backed off certain parts or forgot and evolved it to what worked best. There have been many versions that changed as recently as the poly and hypnosis.

The middle of the night abduction story, with a ramp, screen door, concrete block, locked door, mobile home, room with 3 sleeping, kitchen light on, one child taken, items dropped is a stretch.

The risk is huge for the various steps to gain access and steal the child, why not just grab her while out playing? If you steal her from within at a party then why prop open the door?

The kitchen light ON could have caused MC or the kids to awaken and scream, Haleigh in the same room could have awoken and screamed. There were too many obstacles.

This screams staged to me, MC was having a very bad day and lashed out at Haleigh and this was all a huge cover-up to stage an abduction. As LE stated, Haleigh was not taken by a stranger.

 

[elle1919]

OK, maybe I am making to much out of this. Could it be that the fight over the phone was about retrieving the gun? Was Joe with Misty at that time? But, if we were to know exactly where Misty was when she was searching for the gun then we know where she was at 8:30PM that night. It is said that Ron and her were having a fight over the phone at 8:30PM the night Haleigh went missing. And from what I recall Misty found the gun in a culvert? Check there for Haleigh and or other evidence I say. I wonder if this was near where the rose was?

So sorry MAD...took me awhile to catch back up and read what you asked. I don't think you are making too much out of anything. The phone conversation that I was referring to in my post about Ronald directing Misty to a specific place I heard during Misty doing her voice analysis thing. Let me see if I can find the link. Okay here it is:
http://www.wftv.com/video/20601690/index.html

Now, the news site labels this convo as the poly but I think it is the layered voice thing. No yes or no questions, just talking. Interesting points

1. In this test Misty reveals that she WAS indeed gone for the weekend.
2.Also reveals that she was looking under beds "screaming" Haleigh's name....remember we have a report from a neighbor claiming to hear a woman screaming that evening.
3. Joe- he was in Satsuma a couple weeks, she was worried about him coming down but she knew she would be safe with people around her.
Here in the interview is when she talks about the gun. Joe went over to the trailer....only people there were Tommy, Joe, and other brother Timmy, it is not clear if Ronald was there when they came over. GUN WENT MISSING THE NEXT DAY. Misty goes DOWN THE NEXT DAY WITH HER SISTER IN LAW, Ronald is on the phone directing her where to look for the gun, she was looking. Couldn't find it, getting ready to leave,see's a board over the culvert, moves the board and looks in culvert(13:15 in tape) finds the gun.
4. Ronald must have been pis*ed someone took his gun. I believe the entire account about the gun. WHY? Because it MAKES SENSE..

Question.....what day was this? How did Joe feel when the gun was missing from the culvert? Who took the gun from Ronalds house....Misty says RC likes Timmy...that leaves Joe and Hank JR.

 

[Malesherbes]

I have seen the lives of a lot of poor people in my life and I don't beleive those children were living in that bad of an enviorment, compared to alot of kids. I think just the fact that they had the little bed in their room was sweet and very telling of the love that was there.

The partying and other low grade drug stuff going on is not good... but it doesn't mean the kids were mistreated or abused. Lot's of young people don't do laundry and have messy houses...and makeshift college style furniture...Ron went to work to support his family at night.

The grandparents were doing laundry and things that grandparents do for their babies.

One thing I stand firm on though, Misty was too young for the enormous responsibility of taking care of children that weren't her own as a wife or adult parent. I think she is
probably fairly mature though since she has had a hard scrabble life.

I don't think she is intentionally lying...I think she likes the attention and I beleive she is a sweet girl. Possibly she deeply suspects her own kin of doing this and either cannot acknowledge it ( denial) or is terrified to even have it be known she may of suggested it.

just thoughts.

The kids are obviously living in a bad environment when their father was dating a child- the child that lost Haleigh and cant pass a test to save her life-

 

[mysticrose]

It is also stated in the Feb 11 article as well.....

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/02/haleigh-cummings.html

Facts wrong?

There are quite a bit of facts wrong, I'm suprised to because David L. is usally right on top of it.
Interesting....

 

[evelyn24]

The kids are obviously living in a bad environment when their father was dating a child- the child that lost Haleigh and cant pass a test to save her life-

Not to mention the alleged drug use going on by Misty, and more than likely Ron.