Ron C. # 11

[kiki the parrot]

Hi Jade, just wanted to thank you for your post--I guess if it was "good enough" to post, then it's "good enough" to quote.

I feel the context is equally important, especially if we're going to admonish others. The often used "Judge not," has frequently been misconstrued as sort of a blanket statement in order to squelch any kind of moral standard ie misused to imply we should make no moral judgments. This wasn't the intent (we can "love our enemies" while still holding them accountable in society--it is in fact the most loving thing to do.) A better interpretation is an admonishment to judge one's self first or to not hold others to any standard by which we're not first willing to measure ourselves.

Interestingly we're also told how to handle people in various states. We are to "admonish the unruly, encourage the fainthearted, help the weak." But as author Dr. Jon Townsend wrote, "To reverse these is tragic. Encouraging the unruly is like a watchdog making friends with the burglar." (~Hiding from Love).

We are warned about the dangers of all grace and no confrontation. Whether or not he has further knowledge of Haleigh's disappearance it's my own personal belief this is the situation RC seems to have been enjoying for some time now. JMO

The bible also says not to try and take the splinter out of someone's eye until you take the log out of your own.......let the person without sin throw the first stone...and on and on. I don't know about others but I take the bible literally. I don't try and find out what the hidden meaning is...it is what it says. We are to have faith like a child....children aren't complicated. When you tell them something they don't disect it and try to find the real or hidden meaning. We are all guilty of being judgmental. None of us know what happened to Haleigh. Instead of relying on facts we pick up all of the crap and then make a decision of who we think is guilty.

Someone said that LE is 99% sure of who took Haleigh. I didn't read that in the article anywhere. They are still working the case and that is good. They want to talk to Misty. They didn't say because she is their #1 suspect. They might just want her to think about that night and go through it again. Her and her attorney refuse. Someone said that Misty and Ron refuse to talk to LE.
From the article I gather it is Misty and her attorney that refuse. I don't know about Ron but LE have said right out that they don't think he was involved as he was working. I personally don't think LE has a clue what happened to Haleigh. If they had done the things that they should have done that first night they might have found Haleigh by now or even right away. They drag her blankets outside for the dogs to sniff. Why didn't they get something she has just worn out of the dirty clothes...like the shirt she wore to bed and have the dogs sniff that? Maybe the dogs could have followed her trail. It's to late now to do the things they should have done that first night.

(bbm) Hi b'sangel The post of mine you quoted (above) was responding to Jade's (in which she, like you, quoted verses to remind us no one should find fault w any of RC's actions. Certainly don't mind you replying, just explaining context). I found no "secret" or "hidden" meaning in the quote whatsoever, just saying one needs to be consistent w it's application. And couldn't agree more re removing the splinter, should there be any here who have a missing child and are refusing to speak w LE (RC too has "cut off all interviews" see link), or would solve their own problems w violence etc, then it's true they would have failed to first check themselves ("remove the beam") and be in no position to find fault.

I highly doubt that's the case tho w most of the posters here who fault RC's conduct or failure to cooperate, based upon what most claim is a strong anti-crime, anti-violence, pro-victim stance. They're likely neither refusing to cooperate in a missing child's case nor advocating violence to solve their own problems. So whether RC is involved in or has knowledge of his daughter's disappearance, or even ultimately convicted of assault, these issues are inevitably causing many here to raise up a moral standard. On a crime sleuthing website featuring rampant crimes, made up of crime victims' advocates, hopefully we can agree a moral standard is essential. W/out which our society would have no need for legal or judicial branches and we could just return to the wild, wild West (kind of feels like that some days lol). I also make a distinction between judging behavior and actions, and judging the person (it is possible to call someone's actions unjust, wrong or illegal w/out a need to mete out their punishment.) But w/e LE needs to speak w them further about, both RC and his wife are refusing to work w LE.

I take issue w picking and choosing to whom we give a pass, or not using the same measure for ourselves. But to simply throw out the adage, "Judge not" or "Cast not" to silence those here who recognize what they see as unjust is misusing. Hope you won't find many here willing to advocate just "turning the other cheek," either, when it comes to crime :waitasec: (hey I've heard of childlike faith but c'mon, that would be just as much an oversimplification).

Many here just don't view the problem as a lack of sympathy for RC's actions but a lack of consequences and accountability. Thus if RC would remove suspicion ie fully cooperate, maintain self-control, avoiding "even the appearance of evil" he could be viewed if not as a victim himself, at least in a more sympathetic light. Btw when in doubt re interpreting the meaning of any passage, we can safely err on the side of justice and mercy for victims. I trust most here want justice for Haleigh (incl full cooperation), other missing or murdered and victims of ALL crimes. HTH

'Cummings has cut off interviews with investigators.

“Besides ‘No I didn’t have nothing to do with my child being missing,’ what do you say?” he asked.

Maj. Gary Bowling, director of law enforcement for the department, said detectives would like to interview Cummings again but have been resisted.

The interviews with Misty Cummings have produced different pictures, he said. She was alone with Cummings’ children the night Haleigh disappeared. She has told authorities she woke up about 3 a.m. and found the 5-year-old missing.

“We’ve said from day one Misty’s story is absolutely filled with inconsistencies,” Bowling said.'

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/met...6_months_later

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[PorcineGranny]

Well it's a good thing that some people on here aren't making the decisions that the court is making and has made. I would guess that the judge on the case wasn't some stupid idoit with not a clue of what he was doing. Maybe it would be a good idea to read the court paperwork instead of taking peoples word for pure truth. Before children are given to one parent or the other in a custody decision both parents are usually investigated and the children are usually give a Guardian Ad Litm. The parents don't just go before a judge one day and the judge makes a decision the same day. It is a serious decision and a lot of work goes into investigating and then making the decision that is best for the children. You may not agree but then you aren't the judge.

Bobbi, Judges are just plain ole people who have opinions like the rest of us. They each have different personalities, thats why attorneys shop Judges. I remember the case in Vermont where a Judge let a child molester go for 5 days in jail, yes he was a stupid idiot with not a clue what he was doing. some folks think education makes you smarter, it doesn't. JMO

 

[debs]

You seem gleeful about that proposition. I think it is so sad that you are more interested in seeing Ron fail at something than wanting Haleigh found. I think it was wonderful that TM was there, and am shocked you'd take a stab at Ron over this. I never heard anyone make comments like that about Crystal's event yesterday. Wow. The hatred runs deep.

Wow. THE VIDEO DIDN'T SAY HOW MANY PEOPLE ATTENDED!!!! Holy misinterpretation, batman! ALL I meant was that the reporter had not filled what is normally an essential detail of the who what when where why category. YEESH.

All one has to do is look around for other articles..

Thanks, Cajun, for the link.

From what I remember Ron and the Company had agreed on a date that he would return to work. He returned and they fired him because he hadn't kept in contact with them throughout the days that he was off work. We don't know if they told him to keep in contact with them or not. I would guess that because they had agreed on a date that he would return there was no reason to be in constant contact. Now if he hadn't shown up on the agreed upon date and didn't call the Co either I could see them firing him. We may not know exactly what was agreed upon though.

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We do know, and the Company has officially stated in media links that there was no agreement, and after Haleigh disappeared, they never heard from Ronald. I used their statement and compared it with Ronald's attorney. So far, I have seen nothing which suggests that attorney filed any lawsuit against PDM for wrongful dismissal; nee, that attorney has quit representing Ronald, even though that attorney's specialty (one of many) is just such a lawsuit. I believe that speaks quite loudly for itself and Ronald is still ultimately responsible for his actions and should be held as an adult, accountable.

 

[Blackwatch]

Wow. THE VIDEO DIDN'T SAY HOW MANY PEOPLE ATTENDED!!!! Holy misinterpretation, batman! ALL I meant was that the reporter had not filled what is normally an essential detail of the who what when where why category. YEESH.



Thanks, Cajun, for the link.

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We do know, and the Company has officially stated in media links that there was no agreement, and after Haleigh disappeared, they never heard from Ronald. I used their statement and compared it with Ronald's attorney. So far, I have seen nothing which suggests that attorney filed any lawsuit against PDM for wrongful dismissal; nee, that attorney has quit representing Ronald, even though that attorney's specialty (one of many) is just such a lawsuit. I believe that speaks quite loudly for itself and Ronald is still ultimately responsible for his actions and should be held as an adult, accountable.

I want to thank you for your reasonable posts. You tend to deal with facts in the face of emotion. Kudos to you and, PLEASE, keep it up. You and Kiki are wonderful voices of reason in my opinion.

 

[lil momma]

Good question. Maybe someone from the area can tell us what the local laws are. Where we used to live, the person paying child support did not pay the receiver directly. Instead they paid ae "Friend of the Court" (FOC) and the FOC paid the receiver. If a payer was delinquent, the FOC eventually went after them for the money. The receiver didn't have much to do with it, although they could complain to the FOC that they were not getting their checks. But it was up to the FOC as to when and what action would be taken to get the person to pay. The wheels moved very slowly.

Hi, Kamky

I am not a local but i am in Florida, futher south, but FL laws are FL laws. A few years ago FL introduced a new system to track the enforcement of the court orders, name CAMS. When you file for child support, atleast here in Broward County, It is filed through the Department of Revenue. (DOR) The child support payments are to be made with The State Disbursement Unit, and they are the one's who disburse the payment to the custodial parent either by direct deposit, check by mail, or to a credit card, which is issued by the State and they disburse the child support payment to the card. You can take cash off the card, for a little fee.

Not until CAMS was introduced, did the state of Florida have an option of direct deposit or the credit card thing. I had to call every single day to request enforcement of my case, which i am here to tell you, was very very time consuming, and then you have to wait for the local office to review your file (about 30-60 days) and then decide if you should be granted a court date.(about another 60-90 days in the Broward Court system)

As far as the enfocement of cases are concerned, the state of Florida is VERY behind in enfocement actions. The first action taken is the suspension of your drivers license, (and with that suspension, means that the arrears have to be at ZERO dollars for that suspension to be lifted, (i know b/c my sons father is over 20K in arrears and his license has been suspended since 2004, when i filed for child support) then there is wage garnishment (Payments right out of your pay check), IRS intercept (when the non custodial parent files taxes, the return gets intercepted and sent to the state disbursement unit and disbursed to the custodial parent), pass port denial (no custodial parent can't get a pass port), and reporting to the credit bureau. It seems as though there are 30-90 days between each and every step in regards to enforcement.

I hope this helps....

This is my opinion and it is based on what has happened in my life.

 

[kamky]

Hi, Kamky

I am not a local but i am in Florida, futher south, but FL laws are FL laws. A few years ago FL introduced a new system to track the enforcement of the court orders, name CAMS. When you file for child support, atleast here in Broward County, It is filed through the Department of Revenue. (DOR) The child support payments are to be made with The State Disbursement Unit, and they are the one's who disburse the payment to the custodial parent either by direct deposit, check by mail, or to a credit card, which is issued by the State and they disburse the child support payment to the card. You can take cash off the card, for a little fee.

Not until CAMS was introduced, did the state of Florida have an option of direct deposit or the credit card thing. I had to call every single day to request enforcement of my case, which i am here to tell you, was very very time consuming, and then you have to wait for the local office to review your file (about 30-60 days) and then decide if you should be granted a court date.(about another 60-90 days in the Broward Court system)

As far as the enfocement of cases are concerned, the state of Florida is VERY behind in enfocement actions. The first action taken is the suspension of your drivers license, (and with that suspension, means that the arrears have to be at ZERO dollars for that suspension to be lifted, (i know b/c my sons father is over 20K in arrears and his license has been suspended since 2004, when i filed for child support) then there is wage garnishment (Payments right out of your pay check), IRS intercept (when the non custodial parent files taxes, the return gets intercepted and sent to the state disbursement unit and disbursed to the custodial parent), pass port denial (no custodial parent can't get a pass port), and reporting to the credit bureau. It seems as though there are 30-90 days between each and every step in regards to enforcement.

I hope this helps....

This is my opinion and it is based on what has happened in my life.

Thank you, lil momma. I figured that this is how things were likely set up in FL and that the system would move very slowly. It's not hard to see how $12,000 could easily pile up before any action was taken on the park of the state.

 

[lil momma]

Thank you, lil momma. I figured that this is how things were likely set up in FL and that the system would move very slowly. It's not hard to see how $12,000 could easily pile up before any action was taken on the park of the state.

I can honestly say that, if you didn't call and request the enfocement before the CAMS system, you file would have been closed out, mine was closed 4 times (my son is now 7 years old) prior to the system. I think he was about 15K in arears before the state finally filed for court.

I have seen many times how the state of Florida has failed the custodial parent and the children, and this is not just about child support but about the children that are within the system. It just sickens me......

 

[CrankyPants]

Hi, Kamky

I am not a local but i am in Florida, futher south, but FL laws are FL laws. A few years ago FL introduced a new system to track the enforcement of the court orders, name CAMS. When you file for child support, atleast here in Broward County, It is filed through the Department of Revenue. (DOR) The child support payments are to be made with The State Disbursement Unit, and they are the one's who disburse the payment to the custodial parent either by direct deposit, check by mail, or to a credit card, which is issued by the State and they disburse the child support payment to the card. You can take cash off the card, for a little fee.

Not until CAMS was introduced, did the state of Florida have an option of direct deposit or the credit card thing. I had to call every single day to request enforcement of my case, which i am here to tell you, was very very time consuming, and then you have to wait for the local office to review your file (about 30-60 days) and then decide if you should be granted a court date.(about another 60-90 days in the Broward Court system)

As far as the enfocement of cases are concerned, the state of Florida is VERY behind in enfocement actions. The first action taken is the suspension of your drivers license, (and with that suspension, means that the arrears have to be at ZERO dollars for that suspension to be lifted, (i know b/c my sons father is over 20K in arrears and his license has been suspended since 2004, when i filed for child support) then there is wage garnishment (Payments right out of your pay check), IRS intercept (when the non custodial parent files taxes, the return gets intercepted and sent to the state disbursement unit and disbursed to the custodial parent), pass port denial (no custodial parent can't get a pass port), and reporting to the credit bureau. It seems as though there are 30-90 days between each and every step in regards to enforcement.

I hope this helps....

This is my opinion and it is based on what has happened in my life.

BBM

I don't recall having read/heard/seen any information that Crystal's license was ever suspended. Am I mistaken? I wonder if there are exceptions to that.

 

[Animal04216]

Hello everyone! Just a reminder that this is the RonC thread. Please keep your discussion relevant to the topic. If you disagree with someone it is ok to say so in an agreeable fashion. Please do not argue or get ugly as I then have to come in and remove posts and really do not like doing so. If there are any issues please just alert to the post or drop one of the Mods a pm but do not reply to the issue on the thread ok?

Thanks All!

 

[Blackwatch]

Several states have license suspension for back child support. That always made perfect sense to me - if you are in arrears, do suspend the driver's license so the parent now has no way to get to work to make or arrears or keep current, or get another job. Yep! Perfect sense!

 

[Crosby87]

I saw her hand one to TN in the video. Doesn't say much regarding how well it was attended. I hope people everywhere are doing their prayers for Haleigh.

Yes, the report states 100 friends and relatives of HaLeigh's turned up at this location and we know people everywhere have been asked to participate and are willing to help. There is no need to argue.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Well it's a good thing that some people on here aren't making the decisions that the court is making and has made. I would guess that the judge on the case wasn't some stupid idoit with not a clue of what he was doing. Maybe it would be a good idea to read the court paperwork instead of taking peoples word for pure truth. Before children are given to one parent or the other in a custody decision both parents are usually investigated and the children are usually give a Guardian Ad Litm. The parents don't just go before a judge one day and the judge makes a decision the same day. It is a serious decision and a lot of work goes into investigating and then making the decision that is best for the children. You may not agree but then you aren't the judge.

I agree that in some cases it works this way. But by experience I can tell you that in most cases it's the opposite sad to say.

 

[debs]

Yes, the report states 100 friends and relatives of HaLeigh's turned up at this location and we know people everywhere have been asked to participate and are willing to help. There is no need to argue.

shwah? who was arguing? My statement holds to the video I watched last night at around 11 p.m. my time. IN THAT VIDEO, it did not list it.

Holy cow, people.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

Well it's a good thing that some people on here aren't making the decisions that the court is making and has made. I would guess that the judge on the case wasn't some stupid idoit with not a clue of what he was doing. Maybe it would be a good idea to read the court paperwork instead of taking peoples word for pure truth. Before children are given to one parent or the other in a custody decision both parents are usually investigated and the children are usually give a Guardian Ad Litm. The parents don't just go before a judge one day and the judge makes a decision the same day. It is a serious decision and a lot of work goes into investigating and then making the decision that is best for the children. You may not agree but then you aren't the judge.

BBM

I don't believe that either Haleigh or Jr were given a Guardian Ad Litm. Have you seen any documentation that they were ?


And actually the Magistrate did make the decision on the day of the hearing:

MAGISTRATE PUGH: Give me just a second. I think I can give you a ruling. (Page 47)

MAGISTRATE PUGH: My Report and Recommendation, I'm going to go ahead and leave primary residential custody with the Father based on the fact that the Father is presently employed, and has some income to devote to the childrens' care and upkeep. (Page 51)

MAGISTRATE PUGH: I make this ruling conditional. I'm going to pull the two domestic violence files, and see -- I will look at them....as a matter of caution, I'm going to do that. (Page 51)

MAGISTRATE PUGH: Hopefully -- depending on how crushed I get with work, hopefully, I'll be able to try to get this out this afternoon to you. So, you'll receive it in the mail. Once you have it in the mail, you have 10 days to file exceptions with Judge Hedstrom. (Page 53)

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

 

[Donjeta]

We do know, and the Company has officially stated in media links that there was no agreement, and after Haleigh disappeared, they never heard from Ronald. I used their statement and compared it with Ronald's attorney. So far, I have seen nothing which suggests that attorney filed any lawsuit against PDM for wrongful dismissal; nee, that attorney has quit representing Ronald, even though that attorney's specialty (one of many) is just such a lawsuit. I believe that speaks quite loudly for itself and Ronald is still ultimately responsible for his actions and should be held as an adult, accountable.

Snip. Good point. However, IIRC Kimball and Snyder wrote a press release after the PDM dismissal and said they had referred RC to another law firm to get legal advice in the matter. It sounded to me that they had no intention to start any lawsuit themselves. Whether or not it was because they knew there was no case against PDM, or because that was not the sort of thing they thought they could handle, or because they had too much on their plate as it was, or some other reason, I don't know. I've never heard anything about the matter since and I've no idea if another lawyer was really contacted or not.

 

[debs]

Snip. Good point. However, IIRC Kimball and Snyder wrote a press release after the PDM dismissal and said they had referred RC to another law firm to get legal advice in the matter. It sounded to me that they had no intention to start any lawsuit themselves. Whether or not it was because they knew there was no case against PDM, or because that was not the sort of thing they thought they could handle, or because they had too much on their plate as it was, or some other reason, I don't know. I've never heard anything about the matter since and I've no idea if another lawyer was really contacted or not.

Good followup point! Surely a lawsuit like wrongful dismissal from a company with as many holdings as PDM would receive attention!

 

[Malesherbes]

Good followup point! Surely a lawsuit like wrongful dismissal from a company with as many holdings as PDM would receive attention!

And since the lawyers were working for free for Ron with the DCF thing- if they even smelled any money over the firing of Ron, they would have been all over it-

jmo

 

[Blackwatch]

BBM

I don't believe that either Haleigh or Jr were given a Guardian Ad Litm. Have you seen any documentation that they were ?


And actually the Magistrate did make the decision on the day of the hearing:

MAGISTRATE PUGH: Give me just a second. I think I can give you a ruling. (Page 47)

MAGISTRATE PUGH: My Report and Recommendation, I'm going to go ahead and leave primary residential custody with the Father based on the fact that the Father is presently employed, and has some income to devote to the childrens' care and upkeep. (Page 51)

MAGISTRATE PUGH: I make this ruling conditional. I'm going to pull the two domestic violence files, and see -- I will look at them....as a matter of caution, I'm going to do that. (Page 51)

MAGISTRATE PUGH: Hopefully -- depending on how crushed I get with work, hopefully, I'll be able to try to get this out this afternoon to you. So, you'll receive it in the mail. Once you have it in the mail, you have 10 days to file exceptions with Judge Hedstrom. (Page 53)

http://www.fox30online.com/media/news/e/4/2/e42078af-0580-47ab-8b13-b60c9d0f9ac3/cummings1.pdf

Now that is totally sad, but what can we expect from a county/state that houses SOs UNDER A BRIDGE? For God's sake is this the USA?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Several states have license suspension for back child support. That always made perfect sense to me - if you are in arrears, do suspend the driver's license so the parent now has no way to get to work to make or arrears or keep current, or get another job. Yep! Perfect sense!

I believe here they can also take your house or property, IIRC. Suspending the DL doesn't mean they can't get to work since there is public transportation, but it does mean they need to figure out a way to make the payments and quickly get with the program to have it reinstated if they want the freedom to drive. Going to jail isn't a great way to get the back support either, but it is incentive to start making the payments.

 

[lil momma]

BBM

I don't recall having read/heard/seen any information that Crystal's license was ever suspended. Am I mistaken? I wonder if there are exceptions to that.

Hi, CrankyPants

I didn't see anything either about her license being suspended. That is usually the first enforcement action taken by the state. I had raised the question once before, and was told her license was valid. I do not believe she would have gone to jail for contempt, that is usually after all the other actions are taken, then you go to jail.