Ron C. # 11

[harleysnana]

Contempt would be for a judge to decide, but I would hope his attorney would address the issue at the hearing if this is true that she took Rj without his knowledge to a counselor, imo. IMO, it shows a lack of regard for what I see as Ronald's right to know and if the court already laid out the rules...did she break them?

If what the poster above said is true then yes she broke them!
And IMO she knew she had no right to take him without Ron agreeing but did it anyway!
I'm surprised the counselor even made the appointment under the circumstances.

 

[Busylady]

I fall to see your point? People are discussing why the adult Ronald Cummings refused JR treatment. Is there a more appropriate place you would like it to be discussed?

ETA: Actual imo it belongs in the rumor thread as RC refusing any treatment to JR is just that a rumor.

Again, this is the adult Ronald Cummings thread.

 

[debs]

And yet you consistently shut down any counter argument that IF such a situation arose, that it is just as likely that he WAS notified. I am further appalled that it would reach down into filing contempt of court charges if the mother of a child showing distress took that child to the appropriate professional. Goodness me. It isn't as though it is suggested she ran to a witch doctor or had an exorcism performed. Someone suggested that he got counseling. ONCE. And all there has been since is a call for a contempt charge, an obvious gross negligence and spite of the law on the mother's part, etc etc etc ad nauseum.

Ronald Cummings has never publicly said he did not want to get counseling for his child. I do not hold the position that he would refuse it. I also do not understand this incredible collaboration to paint it as a horrible thing IF the child received counseling ONCE, and I am also suggesting the father would, as a loving father, have been in support of such a move.

But carry on. Obviously until the original poster is available to clear it up, there is nothing but speculation and I agree; the rumor thread is the best place for the discussion.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Elle, you ask a good question: In a hypothetical case, the parent who has physical custody of a child when said child exhibits signs of distress, calls the other parent in order to inform that parent that the child is in distress and is in need of counseling. Say that the first parent (in the hypothetical) received a negative response, a NO! You WON'T take my child in, no matter what you think the child's distress level might be; or no answer to the calls at all.

Should the first parent then ignore the distress signals of the child in favor of the parent who refuses to allow it, or should that parent meet the child's needs and let the chips fall where they may?

A child in distress is a child in distress and any adult quibbling over contempts of court should be put aside in favor of getting the child the help he needs, when he needs it.

Back to Ronald, I am hoping he sees counseling as a step ahead for Jr and a way to support his son in his efforts to make sense of a horrible horrible situation. For Ronald, I hope the realization that his son needs his father to help him find a way to be "all right" in the world is more important than anything else.

Hypothetically, the parent should contact the court to get an emergency hearing instead of taking the child to some unknown counselor against the other parent's wishes and not wait until after the deed has already been done, imo. The parent who went against a judge's order should be held in contempt of court, imo.

I have no doubt that Ronald wants the best for Rj and will have no problem taking him to counseling which is more convenient to his location, imo. Busy is right in that we do not know he EVER turned down counseling for Rj at this point.

 

[debs]

Hypothetically, the parent should contact the court to get an emergency hearing instead of taking the child to some unknown counselor against the other parent's wishes and not wait until after the deed has already been done, imo. The parent who went against a judge's order should be held in contempt of court, imo.

I have no doubt that Ronald wants the best for Rj and will have no problem taking him to counseling which is more convenient to his location, imo. Busy is right in that we do not know he EVER turned down counseling for Rj at this point.

How can something be done both against his wishes and without his knowledge? Unless you're suggesting that he WAS consulted and he DID refuse......?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

How can something be done both against his wishes and without his knowledge? Unless you're suggesting that he WAS consulted and he DID refuse......?

I was commenting on your post which suggests that "hypothetically" a parent called the other parent and was denied.

I do not believe if any of it happened as the other poster claims...that a phone call was ever made to Ronald before the first visit, imo. Also, it was stated that calls to GGS and Teresa were to be considered "received" by Ronald so I don't believe it could happen if a person did call to advise that all those calls would go unanswered, imo.

Elle, you ask a good question: In a hypothetical case, the parent who has physical custody of a child when said child exhibits signs of distress, calls the other parent in order to inform that parent that the child is in distress and is in need of counseling. Say that the first parent (in the hypothetical) received a negative response, a NO! You WON'T take my child in, no matter what you think the child's distress level might be; or no answer to the calls at all.

Should the first parent then ignore the distress signals of the child in favor of the parent who refuses to allow it, or should that parent meet the child's needs and let the chips fall where they may?

A child in distress is a child in distress and any adult quibbling over contempts of court should be put aside in favor of getting the child the help he needs, when he needs it.

Back to Ronald, I am hoping he sees counseling as a step ahead for Jr and a way to support his son in his efforts to make sense of a horrible horrible situation. For Ronald, I hope the realization that his son needs his father to help him find a way to be "all right" in the world is more important than anything else.

 

[harleysnana]

How can something be done both against his wishes and without his knowledge? Unless you're suggesting that he WAS consulted and he DID refuse......?

IMO…..It could probably go something like this.....
“I wish you would have asked me about counseling for RJ before you took
him because I as his father would have liked a say so in the matter!”

I also think if the shoe was on the other foot and Ron took him then some
here would be just as upset.

When a child RJ's age is taken into counseling they talk to the parent first
to ask what the problem seems to be.... IMO this is where I think
Crystal is at fault because both parents were not there so this could lead
in any direction Crystal wanted to take it!

I see this as a manipulation of counseling just as I would if Ron took RJ in
without Crystal’s wishes or her being there herself!
Both parents need to be involved in his counseling PERIOD!
And if it's one sided then it's to cause manipulation and NOT in the child’s
best interest. IMO IMO IMO!

IF she was so worried she should have called Ron and told him she was going to take
this action and ask for him or someone from his family to be there too!

Once again…. JMO… no links… TIA

 

[nomoresorrow]

(BB NMS)

Ronald's practices?! IIRC, Crystal wouldn't get out of bed to take Rj or Haleigh to the doctor before. Nothing said she would this time either, but hopefully since it has come to light that she once thought those visits were not important enough to get up to attend...she has changed her ways. (For Chloe's sake, I hope she has at least.)

Since Rj will be living with Ronald and seeing Crystal only every other weekend, it is ridiculous for Ronald to schedule appointments in relation to where she lives in Baker County. Those appointments normally are scheduled during the week and Crystal would not have Rj there. He should go to a counselor that is close to his home, imo.

Agreed, that "practice" also has to be a thing of the past.
MOO

 

[SeriouslySearching]

For anyone to suggest that Crystal was under handedly trying to pull something on Ron is laughable. He is the king of deceptiveness. Also, I find it interesting that someone would think that Ron would give a second thought to the qualifications of a doctor when he hasn't had a thought in the first place on any counseling or need of anyone other than himself. If I was
Crystal , I would do what I felt was needful for my child and let Ronald stew in the situation of his own making. These are my opinions only.

I disagree that he is the "King of deceptiveness". It is not laughable if Crystal took Rj to a counselor without telling Ronald...it is a serious matter and would show absolute deceit on her part, imo. No one knows what Ronald has thought about in relation to setting up counseling for his son, imo.

If Crystal went against what the court laid out, she is the one who will face the consequences and be stewing in a situation of her own making...not Ronald, imo.

 

[cajun]

The amended agreement was created prior to BB's summer visitation. When the behavior of BB was noticed CS requested counseling through the Victims' advocacy. It took some time but an appointment was set with a counselor in Baker County. BB would not talk. The counselor's office said they could not see BB again until they had Rc's permission. RC said NO.

Your statement " So apparently she did not feel it was critical to get him in counseling ASAP either. " yes CS did feel it was critical to get him counseling. LE knew that RC had refused to allow counseling for BB.

He doesnt live in Baker County so why should he start seeing a counselor up there? That's ridiculous to get a counselor for him that is 100 miles away from where the child lives. Ron, Jr was only going to be there 6 six weeks less weekends Ron had him.

It doesn't matter if LE knew or not counseling was refused because they have no say so in the matter, they are not family court.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

He doesnt live in Baker County so why should he start seeing a counselor up there? That's ridiculous to get a counselor for him that is 100 miles away from where the child lives. Ron, Jr was only going to be there 6 six weeks less weekends Ron had him.

It doesn't matter if LE knew or not counseling was refused because they have no say so in the matter, they are not family court.

It would tell me that it was for custody issues and not for what he is going through at the moment, imo, if she did take him to a counselor in Baker County.

 

[lil momma]

on a personal level.... this is making me sick. Why in the world can these two not agree with anything. IMO, They (CS & RC) both should be forced to take a parenting class that is now require by law, in the state of Florida, to get a final order issued on custody. In the class, it is not so much about the way you parent your children, but it is based on letting your feelings go, good or bad, like it or not, you had children with this person, and they both need to do what is in the best intrest of the children.

 

[PorcineGranny]

It would tell me that it was for custody issues and not for what he is going through at the moment, imo, if she did take him to a counselor in Baker County.

Oh, that you were correct! I don't think you are, but I can hope.

And your statement that no one knows what Ronald has thought about in terms
of counseling........NADA, until Crystal brought this up, a thought had not entered his head on the mental welfare of his son. These are my opinions.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

on a personal level.... this is making me sick. Why in the world can these two not agree with anything. IMO, They (CS & RC) both should be forced to take a parenting class that is now require by law, in the state of Florida, to get a final order issued on custody. In the class, it is not so much about the way you parent your children, but it is based on letting your feelings go, good or bad, like it or not, you had children with this person, and they both need to do what is in the best intrest of the children.

I sure can't disagree with you there!

 

[PorcineGranny]

It would tell me that it was for custody issues and not for what he is going through at the moment, imo, if she did take him to a counselor in Baker County.

Oh, that you were correct! I don't think you are, but I can hope.

And your statement that no one knows what Ronald has thought about in terms
of counseling........NADA, until Crystal brought this up, a thought had not entered his head on the mental welfare of his son. These are my opinions.

 

[atherella]

on a personal level.... this is making me sick. Why in the world can these two not agree with anything. IMO, They (CS & RC) both should be forced to take a parenting class that is now require by law, in the state of Florida, to get a final order issued on custody. In the class, it is not so much about the way you parent your children, but it is based on letting your feelings go, good or bad, like it or not, you had children with this person, and they both need to do what is in the best intrest of the children.

Oh lil momma... how I agree that it's awful they can't agree on anything. I am not even sure that they try to discuss anything. They brought these two precious babies into the world out of love - I wish they could try to work together to co-parent Junior AND find HaLeigh. Imagine how much more they accomplish simply working together. They don't have to "like" each other so much as love their children more than how they feel for the other parent. *sigh*

As for the parenting class. They did have to take a class when the paternity action was first filed. When either a divorce or a custody case is filed in FL (or most states) it is required under FL statute 61.21. In FL, the course is 4 hours long. It's a "Parent Education and Family Stabilization Course". With classes like that though, a person only gets out of it as much as s/he puts into it.

 

[Gracenote]

Oh lil momma... how I agree that it's awful they can't agree on anything. I am not even sure that they try to discuss anything. They brought these two precious babies into the world out of love - I wish they could try to work together to co-parent Junior AND find HaLeigh. Imagine how much more they accomplish simply working together. They don't have to "like" each other so much as love their children more than how they feel for the other parent. *sigh*

As for the parenting class. They did have to take a class when the paternity action was first filed. When either a divorce or a custody case is filed in FL (or most states) it is required under FL statute 61.21. In FL, the course is 4 hours long. It's a "Parent Education and Family Stabilization Course". With classes like that though, a person only gets out of it as much as s/he puts into it.

(OT)- I think all parents should have to take classes before they are allowed to procreate. (end OT)

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

If the delay was soley RCs fault as you say Shaymus, then why did Crystal and KP not address it in the amended agreement instead she waits until she returns him from summer visitation and files a motion for counseling. So apparently she did not feel it was critical to get him in counseling ASAP either. Once again what is important is the child will be receiving counseling.

I don't know why it was not addressed in the amended agreement and I'm not going to guess as to possible reasons for that. What we know it was important to Crystal because she applied to the court for it. And, TMK, we don't see any evidence of Ron recognizing it's importance - an importance that both you and I, Busy, agree on. At this point, let's A2D.

 

[cajun]

(OT)- I think all parents should have to take classes before they are allowed to procreate. (end OT)

Me too.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

(OT)- I think all parents should have to take classes before they are allowed to procreate. (end OT)

Yep and get at least a B.