Ron C. # 11

[Dee10]

Nobody knows if those children were ever left unattended unless you know them personally and hung out with them day to day. No one will ever admit if they did, but the Key person needs to if in fact she was not there for Haleigh's sake.
I noticed talk about the door again, the only other thing I can think of wether Misty was there or not later that night is that someone was already in that home hiding when those doors were locked down.
If they were already in that home there would be no forced entry because of course they could just unlock the door from the inside...JMO of course

Now there is a possibility! Of course where would they hide, why & for how long? But never the less.

 

[mysticrose]

Now there is a possibility! Of course where would they hide, why & for how long? But never the less.

Hi Dee we prob. need to take our posts about the door over to the "door thread" so we are not of topic.

 

[nomoresorrow]

Surreptitious entry techniques are non-destructive and do not leave any discernible forensic evidence. Surreptitious techniques are not discovered by regular users, and qualified investigators may be unable to identify them, depending on the technique.

That is true but the chances are good in this case that they would; if you recall very early on in the case Ronald talked about not only changing the locks in the MH but installing the rear door lock to be especially difficult for someone to open - impossible, I can't say, but it sure would be helpful to know what type(s) of lock were installed on the front door because this "alleged intruder" picked this door for a reason . . . IMO, if the front door lock was the obvious easier door in which an intruder could have gained entry, that would look extremely highly suspicous . . .
JMO

(BBM)
Tryout Keys

Tryout keys are a surreptitious entry technique against pin-tumbler and wafer locks. They use a series of keys with varied cut and spacing configurations to exploit poor tolerances in low-security, master keyed, or extremely worn locks. A tryout key works by being inserted into lock and jiggled back and forth in order to attempt to align components at the shear line. To assess the effectiveness of tryout keys against a particular lock, 25 random keys for the lock are produced. The forensic investigator attempts to use these keys, inserting and jiggling them, to open the cylinder. The investigator can provide a reasonable assumption on their effectiveness based on how many were able to open the cylinder.

http://www.lockpickingforensics.com/anti_forensics.php

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I honestly believe they did not come in through a window, but if it didn't have a screen and it was locked back...she wouldn't have a clue, imo.

I am not sure what "locked back" means. Misty & Ron I am sure would be screaming this is possibility no? I trust LE in this very public case have ck'd every window and screen for any bending, DNA you don't go up & over into a window without leaving even a shirt thread. Once again if this did miraculously happen, it must have been someone close the family &/or the MH to know how far they would fall or what they would land on.

Locked back isn't a difficult concept to understand, imo. When you are inside...close the window and lock it so no one notices it was ever unlocked.

Are you looking at the skylights? I am not seeing any windows you would really "fall from" and someone experienced wouldn't have a problem with climbing through one into an unfamiliar house anyway, imo. The bathroom windows would be higher, but they are kind of small, imo. I also mentioned maybe one of them did not have a screen on it at the time so there would be no "bending" of anything. A perp can actually climb through a window and not leave DNA or evidence behind. Happens all the time.

Again, I believe I stated I do not think they came through a window. I don't think the front door was locked, but it is only my opinion since we have never heard any different. Ronald checked the back door, but it was before company came to the mh. It wouldn't have mattered if it was locked or not if they came through the front door.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

You bolded the wrong part of my quote, imo.:

Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching
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To my knowledge, Ronald or Misty NEVER left the children in the home unattended. If you have such proof...please post it.

Originally posted by mysticrose: Nobody knows if those children were ever left unattended unless you know them personally and hung out with them day to day. No one will ever admit if they did, but the Key person needs to if in fact she was not there for Haleigh's sake.
I noticed talk about the door again, the only other thing I can think of wether Misty was there or not later that night is that someone was already in that home hiding when those doors were locked down.
If they were already in that home there would be no forced entry because of course they could just unlock the door from the inside...JMO of course

Anything is possible. Someone hiding inside isn't unheard of, but I think it is unlikely. Someone could also have a key and let themselves in without any sign of forced entry, too. Since the back door was not used often...if someone wanted to steal Misty or Ronald's key to make a copy...it probably would not be missed until it could be placed back where it was kept.

 

[nomoresorrow]

Can you prove someone did not unlock it earlier in the day before she went missing? Can you prove someone didn't bump the lock? Can you prove that someone didn't come in through the front door and go out the back? I would say it wasn't the lock being picked to be the problem and no matter how good the lock is...it could not prevent any of those things.

Ronald did the right thing by trying to protect his family by changing the lock. I always heard that locks only keep out the honest people anyway. If someone wants to get into your house...they will find a way.

Ronald said it was ALWAYS kept locked
FI's can
Ronald said that someone came in the and took his daughter out of his bed and that the back door was wide open, he has never mentioned any issues with the front door . . .
If Ronald has any other ideas as to how an alleged intruder could have gained entry into his home, he should take that up with LE immediately - IMO

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Ronald said it was ALWAYS kept locked
FI's can
Ronald said that someone came in the and took his daughter out of his bed and that the back door was wide open, he has never mentioned any issues with the front door . . .
If Ronald has any other ideas as to how an alleged intruder could have gained entry into his home, he should take that up with LE immediately - IMO

Do you know he has not done that in the past? Maybe he finally figured it out or something then mentioned it to them during one of those interviews he so openly gave early on.

I believe both Misty and Ronald assumed automatically it was the way the perp came in and left because it was open, imo.

 

[nomoresorrow]

Now there is a possibility! Of course where would they hide, why & for how long? But never the less.

Now that would be a possibility. There are closets I'm sure where someone could hide but of course, if that were the case, it's likely they would have left some sort of evidence of hiding there like perhaps cloths, shoes, blankets, boxes pushed aside and that would also increase the liklihood of DNA being left, i.e, a piece of hair(s) caught on a hanger, fiber from clothing, shoe imprints, . . . I mean gosh, they would have had to hide out for at least 4hours before making a move - unlikely. IMO

 

[Dee10]

Locked back isn't a difficult concept to understand, imo. When you are inside...close the window and lock it so no one notices it was ever unlocked.

Are you looking at the skylights? I am not seeing any windows you would really "fall from" and someone experienced wouldn't have a problem with climbing through one into an unfamiliar house anyway, imo. The bathroom windows would be higher, but they are kind of small, imo. I also mentioned maybe one of them did not have a screen on it at the time so there would be no "bending" of anything. A perp can actually climb through a window and not leave DNA or evidence behind. Happens all the time.

Again, I believe I stated I do not think they came through a window. I don't think the front door was locked, but it is only my opinion since we have never heard any different. Ronald checked the back door, but it was before company came to the mh. It wouldn't have mattered if it was locked or not if they came through the front door.

Lock-back got it, thanks, skylights LOL. I agree I don't think they came through a window either based on LE, but also logistics. Regarding the front door your right this was never mention to my knowledge in the press...but again HELLO...Misty, what did you tell LE, because you had ample opportunity to tell everyone else. I am glad Misty has a lawyer and will help her to straighten out any inconsistencies as well as give her advice on her current situation. Nobody wants to see someone railroaded; we all want justice to prevail Haleigh and hopefully this new lawyer will help. BTW is Ron currently represented?

 

[nomoresorrow]

Do you know he has not done that in the past? Maybe he finally figured it out or something then mentioned it to them during one of those interviews he so openly gave early on.

I believe both Misty and Ronald assumed automatically it was the way the perp came in and left because it was open, imo.

Well of course I don't and neither do you SS so what is your point? We are discussing our opinions on possible scenerios that may or may not have occurred - none of us here know anything with absolute certainty until LE releases that information verbally or at some point, when arrest(s) occurr and records become public.
JMO

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I am confused on his legal rep situation. I believe he has a PD for the battery charge and I think he has a new lawyer for the upcoming hearing on the issue about Rj.

 

[Busylady]

I don't know if the lock was lock bumped or picked but if it was it would not show signs of forced entry. What I have been trying to say is that if Misty did not unlock the door herself she can't explain to investigators how it got unlocked. RC and Misty state the door is always locked, did Tommy unlock it, did the A/C man unlock it and Misty wasn't aware of that? So for LE to name the no sign of forced entry to the door that Misty needs to explain to clear up an inconsistency she may not be able to clear that one up.

 

[cajun]

I am confused on his legal rep situation. I believe he has a PD for the battery charge and I think he has a new lawyer for the upcoming hearing on the issue about Rj.

Public defender for the Croslin stuff and the new attorney of record for the counseling stuff.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

You are correct, Busy!

Hey, if Ronald did finally get the money owed to him for back support...would he have to declare it as income when filing an In. Aff to obtain a PD? Also, how does that work? I always thought it was if a person was under a certain income level per year and not contingent on how much money they had at the time.

 

[PorcineGranny]

I just want to mention something. The theory that someone could have been hiding in the mobile home is not so far fetched. When I was young someone did just that at my home.
My brother and I were there alone and someone came through the house, and it was determined they had hidden in a closet in the living room which was separate from the other part of the house. We didn't get hurt and my father confronted the man who he believed was the guilty party. And then, I keep thinking about Jr. saying someone came out of the wall and I'm perplexed. I wish I could figure this out.

 

[Dee10]

You bolded the wrong part of my quote, imo.:

Anything is possible. Someone hiding inside isn't unheard of, but I think it is unlikely. Someone could also have a key and let themselves in without any sign of forced entry, too. Since the back door was not used often...if someone wanted to steal Misty or Ronald's key to make a copy...it probably would not be missed until it could be placed back where it was kept.

Yes very unlikely IMO. But if someone stole a key to make a copy...hmm. Once again you would have to look at who would want to do that & motive as well as opportunity. I am unclear on this, but earlier on I remember Misty did not have a key but to be clear...I don't remember where this came from. I only remember a rumor that is why the door was wedged open is so she could get back in. Is there anything from the press that said "Misty did not have a key"? Sad, but ironic the word key keeps coming up!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't remember the part of the man coming out of the wall. Hmmmm...interesting.

I recall Teresa mentioned something about holes in the floor tho.

 

[mysticrose]

You are correct, Busy!

Hey, if Ronald did finally get the money owed to him for back support...would he have to declare it as income when filing an In. Aff to obtain a PD? Also, how does that work? I always thought it was if a person was under a certain income level per year and not contingent on how much money they had at the time.

I don't think he would SS as support is not considered income as it is used for the children.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes very unlikely IMO. But if someone stole a key to make a copy...hmm. Once again you would have to look at who would want to do that & motive as well as opportunity. I am unclear on this, but earlier on I remember Misty did not have a key but to be clear...I don't remember where this came from. I only remember a rumor that is why the door was wedged open is so she could get back in. Is there anything from the press that said "Misty did not have a key"? Sad, but ironic the word key keeps coming up!

LOL Wouldn't that make her the "key" without a key?! :crazy:

How could the press resist that one?! LOL I am surprised we never heard about it in the headlines.

 

[cajun]

You are correct, Busy!

Hey, if Ronald did finally get the money owed to him for back support...would he have to declare it as income when filing an In. Aff to obtain a PD? Also, how does that work? I always thought it was if a person was under a certain income level per year and not contingent on how much money they had at the time.

Child support is not income.