Ron C. # 12

[Crosby87]

I have a comment concerning Ron’s reactions during & after the 911 call. We know Misty and Ron had an argument over the phone and hadn’t spoken to each other since 8:30 pm that evening. When Ron returned home at 3:27 am to discover the last time Misty saw his daughter was between 10:00 – 10:30 pm when Misty allegedly went to bed, it is entirely possibly HaLeigh had been gone 3-4 hours which gives the abductor a huge lead and advantage over LE. This knowledge would hit any parent hard below the belt and explains why Ron collapsed to the ground when he received such disheartening news. Knowing she is a female child 5 years of age (even tho LE initially said she was a male), what she was last seen wearing when she went to bed, where she was last seen, a physical description, distinguishing features on her body, (i.e. birthmark), and her photograph which were provided by family members is much more important than her birth date and I agree with Ron’s response to the dispatcher to **** her birthdate. Precious time had already elapsed in this case which drastically reduced her family’s hope of ever finding her. The grief would be enormous and I understand why LE said he couldn't be interviewed. Personally I fsuspect Misty left the house when the children fell asleep around 10-10:30 pm and Ron’s charges were dropped because of his mother’s position in LE.

 

[curvecuti]

I have a comment about Ron’s reactions during & after the 911 call. We know Misty and Ron had an argument over the phone and hadn’t spoken to each other since 8:30 pm that evening. When Ron returned home at 3:27 am to discover the last time Misty saw his daughter was between 10:00 – 10:30 pm when Misty allegedly went to bed, it is entirely possibly HaLeigh had been gone 3-4 hours which gives the abductor a huge lead and advantage over LE. This knowledge would hit any parent hard below the belt and explains why Ron collapsed to the ground when he heard this disheartening news. Knowing she is a female child 5 years of age (even tho LE initially said she was a male), what she was last seen wearing when she went to bed, where she was last seen, a physical description, distinguishing features on her body, (i.e. birthmark), and her photograph which were provided by family members is much more important than her birth date and I agree with Ron’s response to the dispatcher to **** her birthdate. Precious time had already elapsed in this case which drastically reduced her family’s hope of ever finding her. The grief would be enormous. Personally I feel Misty left the house when the children fell asleep around 10-10:30 pm and I suspect Ron’s charges were dropped because of his mother’s position in LE.

I thought I saw it discussed in thread here that TN actually never was a dispatcher. So do we know for sure if she was or not?

 

[Flossie JMO]

Evidentally, it didn't boggle the Judges mind in the matter of custody. I would like to know what evidence was presented in the custody hearing. Specifically since it's being discussed now, was other family members criminal records presented in the hearings besides Rons and Crystals? TIA

I agree Kool. I find it very interesting as it is much less common ime for a bio-mom to lose primary custody to a father, yet it happened to both Crystal and Marie. JMO clearly the Judges had reasons for that

 

[Crosby87]

I thought I saw it discussed in thread here that TN actually never was a dispatcher. So do we know for sure if she was or not?

Did she not work for LE? I thought she was wearing a LE jacket when she showed up at the trailer the night HaLeigh disappeared.

 

[Flossie JMO]

She was a dispatcher, but not for Putnam County, for Alachua County. A lot of people post she worked for Putnam County Sherriff's office, and that's wrong. Crystal's dad used to be a Putnam County Sheriff's deputy and was released, and her cousin is currently employed there iirc

 

[curvecuti]

Did she not work for LE? I thought she was wearing a LE jacket when she showed up at the trailer the night HaLeigh disappeared.

True, she was, but such jackets can be picked up at any thrift store here. I don't know if it was assumed that she was becasue of the coat, if she actually was or not. I saw it on a thread here somewhere that she was not a dispatcher. But, I have no idea if that is true or not. Where is Busylady, I think she knows for sure.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

I agree Kool. I find it very interesting as it is much less common ime for a bio-mom to lose primary custody to a father, yet it happened to both Crystal and Marie. JMO clearly the Judges had reasons for that

Wow, learning here. Didn't know Marie had lost custody of a child/children too. Was it a heated disputed child custody case, or did she just let the child stay and be raised by the Father, I take it? I can tell you this, if it was disputed and fought, "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, or wronged in her own eyes". Women are much more cruel/clever than men, and resort to things men could never dream to act out with.

Interesting, when you put together all the comments and actions we're learning about Haleigh's family as I can see motive appearing, especially knowing what Marty said about Ron stealing Haleigh from him. Seems this side of the family has been fighting over young minor children for years now. Their way of life.

 

[Flossie JMO]

I am not sure if it was heated over losing custody of the one child, but from the brief information online it does appear heated, Marty was also put in jail for not paying support. And then a paternity issue etc, I think safe to say it was heated JMO

 

[sleepingheart]

I agree Kool. I find it very interesting as it is much less common ime for a bio-mom to lose primary custody to a father, yet it happened to both Crystal and Marie. JMO clearly the Judges had reasons for that

"Despite myths put out by fathers that mothers always win custody cases, fathers actually win custody in 70% of custody disputes,29 and this is true even though most men who abuse women and children are far more likely than other fathers to fight for custody and engage in prolonged litigation.30"

Taken from link below(a simple 'google' search will bring up plenty of info on this topic)

http://mothersforjustice.wordpress....fter-family-court-judges-insist-people-custo/

**Edit- Sorry, forgot this link.....**

"An abused woman can be vulnerable in family court if she comes in with unfounded expectations. Perhaps the most widespread myth is the belief that mothers are favored by courts in custody disputes, which stopped being true decades ago."

Taken from.....(very good site)
http://www.lundybancroft.com/child01.html

I know some people don't think of these certain players(CS mainly)in this case as being abused & that's okay; I posted this b/c a lot of us do believe it.

 

[Flossie JMO]

"Despite myths put out by fathers that mothers always win custody cases, fathers actually win custody in 70% of custody disputes,29 and this is true even though most men who abuse women and children are far more likely than other fathers to fight for custody and engage in prolonged litigation.30"

Taken from link below(a simple 'google' search will bring up plenty of info on this topic)

http://mothersforjustice.wordpress....fter-family-court-judges-insist-people-custo/

I think that site is clearly biased, JMO

According to the most recent info I can find find from the US Census Bureau, 15.6% are men and 84.4% are women. http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/p60-225.pdf

 

[sleepingheart]

I think that site is clearly biased, JMO

According to the most recent info I can find find from the US Census Bureau, 15.6% are men and 84.4% are women. http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/p60-225.pdf

I wish it was .

 

[Flossie JMO]

I wish it was .

We can agree to disagree, I think the facts are clear.

 

[lonetraveler]

I agree, the arrest records of all these people are public record.

You are correct. When a crime has been committed that results in a missing little girl, all the known facts and records have to be considered of every person who has contact with or is around or kin to this little girl. Any information should be researched and investigated as much as possible. For everyone involved, no exceptions.

 

[lonetraveler]

While that had nothing to do with what I posted, I haven't seen anyone lie and say he was never arrested. Convicted is a different story imo

I tend to look at the arrest records as much as the conviction records. For instance, if you were going to hire an accountant and found that he had been arrested 15 times for embezzelment, would you want to hire that person? Or if someone had been arrested for multiple drug charges, even with equipment for distribution and for the sell of these drugs, some of them illegal prescription drugs, would you hire him for a job in a pharmacy? Even if he was not convicted? I think when sleuthing a case, you have to look at the whole picture to actually understand the capabilities of people. Many, many times criminals are set free and are never convicted. That is no way means that the arrests were bogus, it simply means that either they knew the right people or they had the good luck to have a very good attorney.

 

[curvecuti]

http://www.divorce-lawyer-source.com/html/custody/fathers.html

SNIP~ As a result of this view on custody for fathers and mothers, moms are still awarded custody in seventy percent of all child custody cases. Joint custody for fathers and mothers is awarded about twenty percent of the time. Family law statistics show that sole custody for fathers is awarded less than ten percent of the time.

Interesting, the exact opposite of the other site. Wonder why they are so different?

 

[texasmommy39]

Would the facts as we have them fit the theory that JS may have took HaLeigh FROM BOTH RON AND CRYSTAL?

 

[kiki the parrot]

]"Despite myths put out by fathers that mothers always win custody cases, fathers actually win custody in 70% of custody disputes,29 and this is true even though most men who abuse women and children are far more likely than other fathers to fight for custody and engage in prolonged litigation[/B].30"

Taken from link below(a simple 'google' search will bring up plenty of info on this topic)

http://mothersforjustice.wordpress....fter-family-court-judges-insist-people-custo/

**Edit- Sorry, forgot this link.....**

"An abused woman can be vulnerable in family court if she comes in with unfounded expectations. Perhaps the most widespread myth is the belief that mothers are favored by courts in custody disputes, which stopped being true decades ago."

Taken from.....(very good site)
http://www.lundybancroft.com/child01.html

I know some people don't think of these certain players(CS mainly)in this case as being abused & that's okay; I posted this b/c a lot of us do believe it.

(bold mine) Thank you for the link. What appears to be a discrepancy in statistics is due to the important distinction between cases in which custody is actually disputed--from which Mothers For Justice compiled their statistics--and overall awarding of uncontested custody in which there is no dispute and fathers have not sought custody or IOW the vast majority of cases for which US Census Bureau cites their statistics.

Clearly it is the cases in which a father is seeking ie willing to assume custody w which we are concerned. And the point is clear: fathers who attempt to seek custody will be successful in 70% of disputes.

The reasons for why this is even more likely to occur in cases of men w an abusive or controlling history, according to study cited in article, include familiar issues such as control, retaliation, and ultimately avoiding of child support payments--evidently not all fathers feel it is better to give than receive.

The study found that an additional means by which some men retaliate is by having parents join in the fight for custody which is significant as even in instances where the men may lack knowledge of how to manipulate the system they are evidently not unwilling to engage their mothers eg to assist their concerted efforts to win custody.

It also mentions another tool by manipulative fathers in their determination to win custody which is making spurious claims--recalling to mind the ironic, unfounded accusation in court by RC that he thought CS might be presently doing drugs tho in reality he himself was the one w very recent drug charges (the fines for which he'd not yet finished paying off before he incurred more).

Point well taken--interesting study, I appreciate your sharing.


arrot:

 

[Flossie JMO]

http://www.divorce-lawyer-source.com/html/custody/fathers.html

SNIP~ As a result of this view on custody for fathers and mothers, moms are still awarded custody in seventy percent of all child custody cases. Joint custody for fathers and mothers is awarded about twenty percent of the time. Family law statistics show that sole custody for fathers is awarded less than ten percent of the time.

Interesting, the exact opposite of the other site. Wonder why they are so different?

JMO I think the bias in the one site is clear from the name of the site

 

[Flossie JMO]

Would the facts as we have them fit the theory that JS may have took HaLeigh FROM BOTH RON AND CRYSTAL?

That's not a bad theory, I can see where you are coming from, I just really think Marie was involved, but like anyone else I can be wrong at times

 

[kiki the parrot]

JMO I think the bias in the one site is clear from the name of the site

This so-called "discrepancy" is not a case of "bias," these are two entirely different set of figures representing two entirely different situations--one the vast majority of cases in which mother's custody is uncontested (US Census Bureau); and another more relevant figure which refers to cases where this involves a dispute re custody (Mothers For Justice).

It isn't the unchallenged but cases in which a father is seeking and willing to assume custody w which we are concerned. And the outcome in instances where fathers attempt to seek custody are successful in 70% of disputes. No contradiction or "bias" there.

arrot: