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  • #461
Well I'm sure glad that father of the year got dragged into court to allow crisis counseling for his traumatized namesake. Thank goodness for Crystal on that one!!! To me, this is the most important kind of child support-- and on that note, Ron, Misty, TN, and GGS receive the BIGGEST failing grade I can imagine! :furious: JMO
 
  • #462
Crystal is always in the wrong. She is honest and doesn't have a mean bone in her body, despite the fact some keep trying to insert them.

May I suggest that you will get a response to your post just like I did when I posted Crystal's letter to Haleigh.........................ZERO!

I don't believe Crystal is in the wrong or Ron for that matter either. I believe that they were both young when they had these children and both have made many mistakes . Because of the fact that there are those that either support one side or the other, some people only see the bad things. I don't think Ron expresses his feelings as openly as others therefore I will not judge him on his reaction at the beginning. I can't say I wouldn't have said the same thing . I know Crystal has posted on twitter about missing Haleigh and I couldn't imagine the pain either of them are going through. I, just like everyone else just wish whatever has happened would soon come to light. No one, and I mean, NO ONE , should ever have to go through this regardless of who they are, where they live, etc . Prayers to you Haleigh .
 
  • #463
WHY in he!! is this baby even being discussed here? He, or his mother are ONLY mentioned on bloggers sites who drag up crap for those loving all the latest dirt and gossip, but has NOTHING to do with Haleigh's disappearance.

It's very sad that this very serious case has been reduced to discussing the misdeeds of the locals, and worst of all dragging an innocent baby into the mix. :sheesh:
 
  • #464
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/04/ng.01.html
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/12/ng.01.html

What do you think of this:

I want to go to Terry Shoemaker, the attorney for bio father Ronald Cummings. I want to clear something up about the timeline. A lot of people want to know where was Ronald Cummings. Where was he at the time she went missing?

Terry, as best you can tell me -- Terry Shoemaker, attorney, joining me from Jacksonville, Florida. What time did he pick up -- Ronald pick up Haleigh from school, from the bus stop that day?

TERRY SHOEMAKER, ATTORNEY FOR RONALD CUMMINGS: Ronald picked up Haleigh at approximately 3:30. It just depends on.

GRACE: OK.

SHOEMAKER: You know, in talking with him it would depend how fast the bus got there.

GRACE: All right. Got it.

SHOEMAKER: But right around 3:30.

GRACE: 3:30. Terry, how far away was his place of employment?

SHOEMAKER: On that particular evening he told me it took him exactly, based on what, you know, the records are 19 minutes for him to get to work that day.

GRACE: OK. When he picked her up at around 3:30, where did he take her?

SHOEMAKER: He took her home, which is less than a mile away from the bus stop.

GRACE: OK. And what time did he have to be at work?

SHOEMAKER: He didn`t really start work until 5:00. However, he would always get there, he said, approximately 30 minutes to 45 minutes earlier.

GRACE: OK.

SHOEMAKER: Depending on when he left.

GRACE: So he`d get there 45 minutes beforehand. So he picks her up around 3:30, takes her home then drives 20 minutes to work. And we know he punched in on time at work. Yes/no?

SHOEMAKER: Yes, he did. Absolutely.

GRACE: OK. That is the alibi for Ronald Cummings. He was observed picking her up between 3:30 and 4:00. He dropped her off and was on time for work. If not 45 minutes early.

BBM. What the heck is he talking about there? Based on the records it took him 19 minutes to drive to work? What records? His clock-in information would tell him when he arrived, if he clocked in right away and not when he started working, but not how long it took him to drive since he'd need to know exactly when he left.

But anyway, it took 19 minutes at 4 pm.

Yet on NG when the topic is establishing that Ron was at werk all night he's quoted saying that it takes Ron up to 30 minutes to drive home.

GRACE: Let me just clarify again, and correct me if I`m wrong because I`ll find out later. At some point, the truth will be uncovered. Isn`t it true, Mr. Shoemaker, that Ronald Cummings stayed at work his full shift and he got home around 3:00 AM?

SHOEMAKER: Absolutely. He never left.

GRACE: OK. Terry, what did he do for a living? What was it exactly he did there?

SHOEMAKER: He was a crane operator, among some other responsibilities.

GRACE: I`m sorry. I couldn`t hear you. Repeat. He did what?

SHOEMAKER: He was a crane operator.

GRACE: OK. Were there other people around him observing him operating the crane, amongst other things?

SHOEMAKER: Yes. He was there all night. You know, there were some times, you know, based on our conversations with FDLE, that people didn`t actually see him, but they were for very short periods of time. And people saw him there all night, for the most part.

GRACE: And his home was about a 30 or 40-minute drive away?

SHOEMAKER: A little less than that. You know, probably anywhere from 20 to 30 minutes.

GRACE: OK. Give him 30. He would have to have been gone about an hour-and-a-half, 30 minutes there, 30 minutes back...

SHOEMAKER: Exactly.

GRACE: ... and 30 minutes for whatever was to take place there. Was there that big of a gap of people seeing him?

SHOEMAKER: Absolutely not, Nancy.

GRACE: OK. Mr. Shoemaker, you`re giving me your word on that?

SHOEMAKER: Absolutely, Nancy.

The crane operating seems to be somehow a hot topic too. Why is it so hard to get a straight answer whether he was operating a crane in plain sight of other people or not?

GRACE: And again, you said he operates a crane. Was he operating a crane that night?

SHOEMAKER: I don`t believe he actually was that evening. I know he had a couple different things he was doing, but...

GRACE: Like what?

SHOEMAKER: I can`t really answer that specifically. I know when we spoke...

GRACE: Why?

SHOEMAKER: Well, when we spoke with law enforcement the last time, they asked him about his different jobs that evening, and he said that he had to move some material from different locations and -- so I know that he had a number of different responsibilities, but his primary responsibility at that job was as a crane operator.

GRACE: Indoors or outdoors?

SHOEMAKER: Well, the crane is outdoors, but he -- you know, he would move things to different aspects of the job site and take care of material that way.

GRACE: So we know absolutely he did not leave the job site?

SHOEMAKER: Absolutely.
 
  • #465
WHY in he!! is this baby even being discussed here? He, or his mother are ONLY mentioned on bloggers sites who drag up crap for those loving all the latest dirt and gossip, but has NOTHING to do with Haleigh's disappearance.

It's very sad that this very serious case has been reduced to discussing the misdeeds of the locals, and worst of all dragging an innocent baby into the mix. :sheesh:

Well its allowed here to rip on Crystal for her non payment of support- even though its paid up and over, we constantly are reminded what a deadbeat she was, nevermind Ronald never pushed for support, or had a job himself- Ron admits this child is possibly his, if we can beat to death what a deadbeat Crystal WAS, why is it off topic to point into Rons character when he is doing the exact same thing, but unlike Crystal, he isn't even seeing the child-

I think it goes to show just what kind of character he has, and shouldnt him losing one child bring out some paternal thing in him and make him want to see and know his other child, knowing that the childs mother is in jail and has been for months?

All this coddling of Ronald Cummings- I just dont get it-

jmo
 
  • #466
WHY in he!! is this baby even being discussed here? He, or his mother are ONLY mentioned on bloggers sites who drag up crap for those loving all the latest dirt and gossip, but has NOTHING to do with Haleigh's disappearance.

It's very sad that this very serious case has been reduced to discussing the misdeeds of the locals, and worst of all dragging an innocent baby into the mix. :sheesh:

Well Tom'sGirl, I can't speak for anyone but myself, but it is Very Important to me because I believe (that means it is my opinion) that this very matter speaks to the character of Ron or as I said the lack thereof. A man whom some believe is above reproach and tout him as such a responsible father. It is my opinion that this fact could have direct correlation into the disappearance of HaLeigh. I am in NO WAY dragging an innocent baby into the mix. So I suppose we will have to agree to disagree. :)

TG~ Does it not bother you that Ron has abandoned his responsibilities as a father to this baby boy, IF he is the father? Of course I am sure you know that he has stated that he may be. Nothing about that gives you pause for thought? Just askin!
 
  • #467
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bbm~ So with Ron knowing that, what I would like to know is this:

(1) Do those here who support and believe Ron is such a responsible father really believe that Ron has done right by Jordan?
(2) Does Ron not owe it to that baby boy to find out if he is the father?
(3) Does it not tell you anything about his character that he has not bothered to lift a finger to find out.
(4) Would a responsible father care whether Amber wanted him in Jordans life or not? She can't stop him from finding out IF he really wants to know.
(5) Would a responsible devoted father not move Heaven and Earth to find out whether or not a child, a baby boy that did not ask to be born was his? Especially when we have all heard him say that he may be.
(4) Would a responsible father have no participation in his sons life?
(5) Does it not make you question his priorities in life at the very least?


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I'm going to answer your question because I have had a very personal experience with a situation just like this. My brother was awarded custody of my niece and nephew from their mother when they were 5 and 2. That situation is very very similar to that of Ron and Crystal's with the exception being that their mother was not a drug abuser. My brother worked his a$$ off over the years to provide the very best for the children with both mine and my mother's help. He was briefly involved in a relationship with another woman who subsequently became pregnant. She said that the child was his but didn't want a paternity test nor did she want any support for him. He never was fully convinced that he was the child's father and had questions about her faithfulness during their relationship. He also knew that the mother did not want him involved and that she wanted to raise the child as her own so he didn't try to find out. DNA tests are very expensive and he didn't have the money to pay for it. That being said, my brother is an excellent man of wonderful character and a wonderful father to his children. His children are now 29 and 23, both college graduates with excellent careers and children of their own. This child is now 18 years old and has no desire to find out if my brother is her father. Maybe she will as she grows older but my brother respected the wishes of the child's mother and stayed away. So in response to your questions, if Amber has been insistent that Ronald not be involved in Jordan's life, then he is honoring her wishes. Maybe he suspects that Jordan is not his child and would you honestly expect him to invest the time and the money into providing for this child who might turn out not to be his? I would have hated to know that my brother paid support and became emotionally attached to a child only to find out by DNA testing that the child wasn't his after all.
This may or may not be relevant to the case of who is raising Jordan right now because I know nothing at all about these people nor do I care to know anything about these people but in the state of Florida if there is any sort of assistance (such as food stamps, TANF, WIC, medicaid, etc.) provided to the person caring for a child by the state of Florida, then DCF will order a DNA test and they will forward the case to the Florida Department of Child Support Enforcement. Be sure that the state of Florida will enforce the orders and you will abide by them else you will be held in contempt of court.

Thank you for your reply Adrienne! I have some personal experience with this also. My wonderful Son In Law is 35 y/o and up until 2 years ago he always believed that the man who raised him and that he loves and always tried to make proud was his biological father..had no reason to doubt it until he came across a photo of his Mom and he as a toddler. She was in a wedding dress with him standing beside her. When he first found the pic he kind of joked about it and asked his Grandmother (the mom of the man who raised him as his own, this 'Dad' had passed away about 8 yrs ago) if his Mom was pregnant with him when his parents got married, as that is what he thought they must have been trying to keep secret. His Grandmother told him that he needed to talk to his Mom about this and the way that she answered alarmed him, so he asked.."my Dad IS my Dad isn't he?" To make a long story shorter :crazy: it turns out that NO, he is/was NOT his biological father and that fact had been kept from him although the Whole Family knew. He was devastated because (1) his 'father' that raised him was now dead and (2) his biological 'father' he was told 'was not sure' that he was his and never bothered to find out.
This man still lives in this area..has another son about 10 yrs or so younger. (my SIL's only brother) My SIL does not want to know him (not that this man has ever tried to seek him out anyway) because he said that he never cared enough to find out if he was his and the toll that it has taken on him is tremendous. My heart breaks for him as he is a great guy, husband, father and has accomplished much in life and I am proud to be his MIL, although he is like a son to me. There is no doubt that this man is his bio-father as he is a musician that ironically my sister has known for many years and when she brought out photos of him from over the years for my SIL to see it was shocking to see that they are almost carbon copies of each other.
I guess I am just of the firm belief that IF there is any possibility that someone could be the father of a child, they OWE it to that child to find out, that they have a moral responsibility to do so. It's not a babys responsibility to find out who their parents are, they didn't ask to be here.

RE bbm above~ While I agree with you that Ron, your brother or anyone else should not have to become financially or emotionally invested in a child that is not theirs and that DNA testing is expensive, as a RESPONSIBLE adult, you have a duty to find that out because the flip side of that is....what if they are??? What price do you put on that, or finding that out? Every child deserves at least that, no? None of this chit is their fault, it is up to the Responsible or Irresponsible whichever the case may be to find that out. Not the child, not the State (what responsible parent waits for the state to force the issue anyway?) not the responsible or irresponsible mother really (only because she knows that she is the mother!) to find out. If you play, you pay IMHO (and I don't necessarily mean money just to be clear) OR make d@mn sure that you don't find yourself in that position. An innocent child shouldn't have to suffer the consequences of parents who chose otherwise. I'm sorry but I will ALWAYS come down on the side of the child and will not make excuses for the adults involved for any of their perceived reasons for not being proactive when they are well aware that a child could be theirs. (not speaking of cases where a father has no idea that he may even have a child, in that case...shame on the mom...

shew...getting off my soapbox now...didn't mean to be so longwinded!
 
  • #468
One advantage of being a woman that I know who my children are. I can't even imagine how it would feel to "maybe" have some children out there.
 
  • #469
Donjeta...to speak the truth here, I don't think most men are wired that way...but there may be exceptions...at least it would be nice to think so.
 
  • #470
Well its allowed here to rip on Crystal for her non payment of support- even though its paid up and over, we constantly are reminded what a deadbeat she was, nevermind Ronald never pushed for support, or had a job himself- Ron admits this child is possibly his, if we can beat to death what a deadbeat Crystal WAS, why is it off topic to point into Rons character when he is doing the exact same thing, but unlike Crystal, he isn't even seeing the child-

I think it goes to show just what kind of character he has, and shouldnt him losing one child bring out some paternal thing in him and make him want to see and know his other child, knowing that the childs mother is in jail and has been for months?

All this coddling of Ronald Cummings- I just dont get it-

jmo

Just jumping off your post, IMO, we read others statements on here and other places. No one knows whether or not he is or not. We are not there, connected in their circle. I honestly don't think that situation has anything to do with this case whatsoever and shouldn't be blown up all over cyberworld, but then again, thats only my opinion . Defending certain characteristics of a person doesn't mean that you are coddling them. As I said before, some of their prior behaviors may not have been the best and I am sure that both of them regret it now.
 
  • #471
Does Ronald know for sure whether or not Haleigh and/or Junior are his? Was a DNA test ever performed? TIA
 
  • #472
Does Ronald know for sure whether or not Haleigh and/or Junior are his? Was a DNA test ever performed? TIA


Does it matter at this late date? Ron accepted paternity during the 2005 custody hearings, he owns them for the duration till they turn 18.


moo
 
  • #473
Does it matter at this late date? Ron accepted paternity during the 2005 custody hearings, he owns them for the duration till they turn 18.


moo

Not if DCF thinks Ron putting an assault riffle in his mouth in front of his remaining child is a problem, hes under investigation now. And his children are gifts, not possessions.

jmo
 
  • #474
Well Tom'sGirl, I can't speak for anyone but myself, but it is Very Important to me because I believe (that means it is my opinion) that this very matter speaks to the character of Ron or as I said the lack thereof. A man whom some believe is above reproach and tout him as such a responsible father. It is my opinion that this fact could have direct correlation into the disappearance of HaLeigh. I am in NO WAY dragging an innocent baby into the mix. So I suppose we will have to agree to disagree. :)

TG~ Does it not bother you that Ron has abandoned his responsibilities as a father to this baby boy, IF he is the father? Of course I am sure you know that he has stated that he may be. Nothing about that gives you pause for thought? Just askin!

Pondering, interesting post. I believe everything about Ron Cummings is up for discussion. His daughter is missing, was taken from her home while she slept, we are told. Everyone who was within Haleigh's circle of life, should be looked at. Secondly, you look into the background of these people, who they knew, what they've done, who do they know, how do they respond to certain life situations. It goes on and on when you are trying to solve the mystery of child that disappeared from her bed in the middle of the night as her babysitter and brother slept nearby.
If we want to solve this or even come close, we should be turning Ron inside out. The fact that he was at work, doesn't mean he shouldn't be studied.
For whatever reason, which we don't know, LE has decided Haleigh was not taken by a stranger. Where else can we go than to discuss the principals in this case.
With that said, I'd like to add - when asked if he has another child, Ron answers, Maybe? What the heck kind of answer is that?
"Maybe" is the correct answer when you're asked if you're going to watch the football game this Sunday, if you're going to go out to dinner, if you've ever seen a certain tv commercial! Not when you're being asked is that your child.
Gheeeeeesh.
 
  • #475
I'd agree that when children are missing, LE has a duty to look into any aspect of the parents' and stepparents' lives in order to find the child. I don't see how Ronald's putative relationship with this other child has any bearing on that.

I don't ever recall stating that Ron or Misty or Crystal--or for that matter John Walsh, Beth Twitty or any other parent of a missing child--is "above reproach." I tried to think of Elizabeth Smart's parents' names, but drew a complete blank. Perhaps that is because they are upper class, live in a lovely home, and attend a church. How do we know what goes on in anyone's home, behind the lovely walls? How do we know the "character" of any of these people? Certainly, we know that Ron Cummings has an arrest record. But isn't it possible that a person who has a blemished record could have a child kidnapped or murdered by someone else? Would we want LE to stop looking for Haleigh because Crystal used drugs? or Ron had a record? Would we have wanted the police not to look for Polly Klaas because her parents were divorced? A person can have many character defects without being a child abuser or a murderer.

As to the issue of the paternity of Amber's child, many of us have pointed out that if the child is receiving money, food stamps or medical assistance, the government will require the mother to state the identity of the father. That would set the wheels in motion for paternity testing and support. Perhaps that is in process right now. Or, if she is receiving aid, perhaps she named another man or claimed not to know the father's identity. We also don't know what she has said to Ronald or others about paternity or, in fact, if the two were involved when the child was conceived. When we speculate about her and her child, we are invading their privacy for nothing. Ron's relationship to that child has nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance, unless we think that Amber or someone connected to Amber took her.

We DO know that Ron went to court and got custody of his kids with Crystal, which does not suggest that he is a man unwilling to meet his responsibility for the child who is supposedly our focus--who is in fact a special needs child. It would not matter at this point if a DNA test showed someone else was the father of Haleigh and Junior. Ron has acknowledged paternity by giving the children his name, providing financial support, living under the same roof, and seeking formal custody. That's a done deal in the eyes of the law. In fact, some men have been tricked into taking on those responsibilities and later went to court to get out of child support for kids who were proven by DNA to be fathered by someone else; however, they were still required to pay child support because they had "acknowledged" the children as their own.
 
  • #476
Pondering, interesting post. I believe everything about Ron Cummings is up for discussion. His daughter is missing, was taken from her home while she slept, we are told. Everyone who was within Haleigh's circle of life, should be looked at. Secondly, you look into the background of these people, who they knew, what they've done, who do they know, how do they respond to certain life situations. It goes on and on when you are trying to solve the mystery of child that disappeared from her bed in the middle of the night as her babysitter and brother slept nearby.
If we want to solve this or even come close, we should be turning Ron inside out. The fact that he was at work, doesn't mean he shouldn't be studied.
For whatever reason, which we don't know, LE has decided Haleigh was not taken by a stranger. Where else can we go than to discuss the principals in this case.
With that said, I'd like to add - when asked if he has another child, Ron answers, Maybe? What the heck kind of answer is that?
"Maybe" is the correct answer when you're asked if you're going to watch the football game this Sunday, if you're going to go out to dinner, if you've ever seen a certain tv commercial! Not when you're being asked is that your child.
Gheeeeeesh.


I know, right?! It makes baby J sound like an afterthought or insignificant imo. He has a mother and a father, whether it's Ron or not and he at the very least deserves to be acknowleged. "Maybe" someone needs to tell Ron that J is not a 'pair of shoes' or a 'bike' either...he too is a human being AND may be his son! I think that is what has me all bit@hy about the subject. After losing one child, your worst fear in life is losing another. Believe me, I know, I have lost 2 children and somehow lived to tell about it, so perhaps it is just a super duper, extremly sensitive issue for me and I would be better off logging of for tonight so I won't get into trouble. :angel:
 
  • #477
Pondering, your light is still on so you might see this before you go to bed. I'm sorry you have had such terrible loss. Bless you for caring about the children of others.
 
  • #478
Pondering, your light is still on so you might see this before you go to bed. I'm sorry you have had such terrible loss. Bless you for caring about the children of others.

TY pittsburghgirl :blowkiss: and that's a very sweet thing to say, although I've actually been very blessed in my life. I have 2 living grown children and their spouses that I love...AND 5 of the Most BEAUTIFUL, SMARTEST, SWEETEST Grandbabies you could ever possibly imagine! On top of that, some really Awesome people here that can relate because they have been through the same or much worse. And yes, I think that when you have a violent death, or never know what happened to your child, etc. it has to be much worse as hard as that is to imagine.
 
  • #479
if rc was keeping his enemy close.......

why has he perseveringly urged the police in the direction of a stranger abduction from day 1?

just sayin........
 
  • #480
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I know, right?! It makes baby J sound like an afterthought or insignificant imo. He has a mother and a father, whether it's Ron or not and he at the very least deserves to be acknowleged. "Maybe" someone needs to tell Ron that J is not a 'pair of shoes' or a 'bike' either...he too is a human being AND may be his son! I think that is what has me all bit@hy about the subject. After losing one child, your worst fear in life is losing another. Believe me, I know, I have lost 2 children and somehow lived to tell about it, so perhaps it is just a super duper, extremly sensitive issue for me and I would be better off logging of for tonight so I won't get into trouble. :angel:

Pondering, this is a sad post. I'm sorry for the loss of your children. I can't even begin to know how parents can carry on after something so tragic.
Bless you.
azwriter
 
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