Ron C. #7

[lonetraveler]

First I have to figure out if anyone is lying at all. I can't see any reason for any of them to lie about the gun situation, they would know full well LE is gonna investigate the situation and if they are lying they would be busted. From everything I have read so far that are direct quotes for those involved and from viewing videos, I believe their was a gun situation, that RC confronted JO gun was returned (haven't figured out the ditch part yet) end of story.

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Busylady, these are my words mine you but I can see Joe ardently denying that he has stolen the gun even though Ron is most probably beating the bejesus out out him. Then all of a sudden the information gets out that the gun can be found in a ditch at so and so place and he leaves town. I can see this so clearly. Maybe I've had too many experiences of this type in my life history, WTH. I can see that the gun is recovered due to information being exchanged. I can also envision the cousin threatening revenge after the whupping. Then Haleigh is missing. Reviewing the scenario that the cousin came in and (being familiar with the mobile home because he entered it during the stealing of the handgun) and stole Haleigh as a vendetta against Ron, I can picture Misty coming up with Joe as the suspect for taking Haleigh. What I can't understand is why didn't Ron agree with this scenario. It is definitely a scenario that would take the heat from him and Misty. What do you think?

 

[Busylady]

I haven't found anything with RC saying there was no gun is my stumbling block. I see direct quotes from him stating there was no fight over a gun. I haven't seen anything from him thats states a situation with the gun did not occur. IMO because there was not a physical altercation RC said no fight. I am still looking aroun d as I have time for something from RC saying there was no gun. I just can't jump to the conclusion that because RC says there was no fight that he is lying and denying that there was an event with the gun and JO.

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Busy, if Misty, Misty's parents, Ron's mother are making statements about the stolen gun, Misty's cousin stealing the gun, the fight between Ron and Joe the cousin and that the gun was recovered from a ditch and then Ron states, no fight no gun: somebody is lying. I did not write the story. It is just there. How do you explain that?

 

[lonetraveler]

I haven't found anything with RC saying there was no gun is my stumbling block. I see direct quotes from him stating there was no fight over a gun. I haven't seen anything from him thats states a situation with the gun did not occur. IMO because there was not a physical altercation RC said no fight. I am still looking aroun d as I have time for something from RC saying there was no gun. I just can't jump to the conclusion that because RC says there was no fight that he is lying and denying that there was an event with the gun and JO.

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Busy, I read this today. I'm going to leave and go find it. I'll see you later.

 

[Busylady]

It makes no sense RC would lie at all about the gun, if he was trying to cover for himself he would of played up the gun story pointing more and more towards JO direction. So logically it makes no sense to me that RC is lying about the gun situation. IMO I believe the gun was taken by JO two weeks before Haleigh went missing, I think RC confronted JO and then shortly after that the gun turns up. I don't think a physical altercation happened. I can even see JO denying he was the one that took the gun in the first place. He doesnt physically give it back to RC it shows up in some ditch and he would still be denying he was the one who took it in the first place I can't see JO hanging around for two weeks after the fact if RC beat him up.

The fact that JO left town the morning Haleigh went missing and lawyered up so LE can't talk to him anymore concerns me big time.

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Busylady, these are my words mine you but I can see Joe ardently denying that he has stolen the gun even though Ron is most probably beating the bejesus out out him. Then all of a sudden the information gets out that the gun can be found in a ditch at so and so place and he leaves town. I can see this so clearly. Maybe I've had too many experiences of this type in my life history, WTH. I can see that the gun is recovered due to information being exchanged. I can also envision the cousin threatening revenge after the whupping. Then Haleigh is missing. Reviewing the scenario that the cousin came in and (being familiar with the mobile home because he entered it during the stealing of the handgun) and stole Haleigh as a vendetta against Ron, I can picture Misty coming up with Joe as the suspect for taking Haleigh. What I can't understand is why didn't Ron agree with this scenario. It is definitely a scenario that would take the heat from him and Misty. What do you think?

 

[mysticrose]

I haven't found anything with RC saying there was no gun is my stumbling block. I see direct quotes from him stating there was no fight over a gun. I haven't seen anything from him thats states a situation with the gun did not occur. IMO because there was not a physical altercation RC said no fight. I am still looking aroun d as I have time for something from RC saying there was no gun. I just can't jump to the conclusion that because RC says there was no fight that he is lying and denying that there was an event with the gun and JO.

There was no fight with no cousin over a gun," said Ronald Cummings

http://www.cbs12.com/news/haleigh-4714751-cummings-cousin.html

I'll find a better one just a min...

 

[Busylady]

Thanks mysticrose, I have seen that one - that is still not RC saying there was no gun. He is simply saying there was no fight, and based on TN statement I do not believe there was a physical altercation, therefore no fight.

There was no fight with no cousin over a gun," said Ronald Cummings

http://www.cbs12.com/news/haleigh-4714751-cummings-cousin.html

I'll find a better one just a min...

 

[lonetraveler]

She left out that he was visiting at the MH that day...needs to be researched but I don't know if we can verify. IIRC, Hardy says he was told that he was....I will leave now and try to find info on that.

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Beat me, whip me, I don't care. The only reason I would think that Joe would visit the mobile home would be to buy drugs. I believe this, someone if you dont' believe this, please convince me otherwise.............I believe that is the only reason that Ron would deny having any interaction with Joe the cousin. He is trying to maintain his "father of the year award". :blowkiss:

 

[lonetraveler]

Thanks mysticrose, I have seen that one - that is still not RC saying there was no gun. He is simply saying there was no fight, and based on TN statement I do not believe there was a physical altercation, therefore no fight.

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I know that I am in danger here assuming, but does this mean that you think that there was a problem with the gun, just no fight or altercation involving the gun being taken by Joe?????????

 

[Whisperer]

So, is RC telling the truth or is Misty telling the truth?

It appears that TN is repeating whatever Misty has told her, so I wouldn't base a decision on TN's words.

Ron denies it. Misty reported it.......now what? Who do you beleive?

 

[Whisperer]

At the moment (subject to change) I am going with Misty's version. I believe he was there. I don't beleive there was a fight over a gun though.....maybe another reason. The gun was recovered by LE...and so Misty made up a story to protect Ron's interest. It had been said, but not by a major new media, that LE found the gun in a ditch behind the MH (in the woods). RC may have tossed it there though, before LE arrived, so LE wouldn't confiscate it.

Lonetraveler is on the right course.

 

[lonetraveler]

It makes no sense RC would lie at all about the gun, if he was trying to cover for himself he would of played up the gun story pointing more and more towards JO direction. So logically it makes no sense to me that RC is lying about the gun situation. IMO I believe the gun was taken by JO two weeks before Haleigh went missing, I think RC confronted JO and then shortly after that the gun turns up. I don't think a physical altercation happened. I can even see JO denying he was the one that took the gun in the first place. He doesnt physically give it back to RC it shows up in some ditch and he would still be denying he was the one who took it in the first place I can't see JO hanging around for two weeks after the fact if RC beat him up.

The fact that JO left town the morning Haleigh went missing and lawyered up so LE can't talk to him anymore concerns me big time.

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How do you think that Ron confronted Joe? Do you think that he calmly asked for his gun back? I'm also very perplexed as to why Ron would ruin a scenario for why Haleigh may have been taken. Beats all I have ever seen. If Joe took a whupping I can fully understand why he would leave the gun in the ditch. Question is, how did Ron find out the gun was in the ditch? There are also stories that Joe was there right at the time that Haleigh was reported missing. Not two weeks before. Why on earth would Ron contradict the stories from Misty, Teresa and Misty's father and mother stating the Joe stole his pistol, he confronted Joe (beat the hell out of him) and then the pistol magically appeared in a ditch and Ron received divine intervention and found out exactly what ditch the pistol was in and retrieved it. This all sounds like the plot to the ultimate soap opera.

 

[Whisperer]

Sorry to interrupt LT:

I just noticed you were talking to Busy...carry on!

 

[mysticrose]

And so far, we were not able to get a confirmation or validation on that yesterday, but we have heard confirmation today at the 3:00 o`clock presser that this Joe fellow has been spoken to by the FBI.

GRACE: You know, it`s all very mysterious, as Hart says, Natisha Lance. Apparently, there was an argument between (SIC) the cousin of Croslin that evening, that he disappears around the same time that Haleigh disappears?

LANCE: That`s what we`re hearing from reports, Nancy. Apparently, there was an argument over a gun. Now, Ronald Cummings has said that there was no argument that happened. Apparently, this guy ended up...

GRACE: And could you explain to me why the gun was recovered from a ditch?

LANCE: That`s what reports are saying, the gun was later on recovered from a ditch. And after that time, the cousin then disappeared from the area. And the next day, Haleigh was missing.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/20/ng.01.html


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[lonetraveler]

Thanks mysticrose, I have seen that one - that is still not RC saying there was no gun. He is simply saying there was no fight, and based on TN statement I do not believe there was a physical altercation, therefore no fight.

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Busy, I think in bits and pieces, hope I don't confuse you. I agree with you that Ron had a "situation" happen with Joe over a gun. Later, for some who knows the reason, the gun shows up in a ditch. Wow! Anyway, just going by Ron's words or maybe what he didn't say...........even. He retreived the pistol. Whatever.......... anyway, Misty offers her suspicion that Joe may be involved with Haleigh's disappearance............I believe that is all we can go on at this point. If you have any other information, please feel free to offer it. Myself, if multiple people offered a tip on why Haleigh was missing, if I were Ron, I would definitely go with it and not offer the person of interest an alibi, (my words, not LE's) I would go right along with the flow, KWIM?

 

[Busylady]

Your not assuming at all, I have said over and over in my post I think there was a situation with JO and the gun - I think JO took the gun after RC confronted him I think the gun all the sudden showed back up. I do not think there was a physical altercation with the gun.

Also JO was not at the mobile home that night, if someone can provide a link that states that would be great (other than the one where TN says yes before IIRC NG is rattling off names, then once NG finishes RC clarifies no cousin was there that night).

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I know that I am in danger here assuming, but does this mean that you think that there was a problem with the gun, just no fight or altercation involving the gun being taken by Joe?????????

 

[Flowanda]

Wondering if the discrepancy between Ron and everyone else is merely the context - how the word "fight" is used. Perhaps the context in which Ron uses "fight" means physical altercation whereas others use "fight" in a much more loose context. In my opinion, females tend to use this word in a very different context than males.

 

[lonetraveler]

And so far, we were not able to get a confirmation or validation on that yesterday, but we have heard confirmation today at the 3:00 o`clock presser that this Joe fellow has been spoken to by the FBI.

GRACE: You know, it`s all very mysterious, as Hart says, Natisha Lance. Apparently, there was an argument between (SIC) the cousin of Croslin that evening, that he disappears around the same time that Haleigh disappears?

LANCE: That`s what we`re hearing from reports, Nancy. Apparently, there was an argument over a gun. Now, Ronald Cummings has said that there was no argument that happened. Apparently, this guy ended up...

GRACE: And could you explain to me why the gun was recovered from a ditch?

LANCE: That`s what reports are saying, the gun was later on recovered from a ditch. And after that time, the cousin then disappeared from the area. And the next day, Haleigh was missing.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/20/ng.01.html


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Oh, Mysticrose, I love you. I truly do. My fingers are swollen and hurt like he** and I have searched and search for this section and I could not locate it. Again, I love you..............:blowkiss:

 

[Busylady]

IMO RC doesnt deny anything. I don't think either of them are lying at all about this.

So, is RC telling the truth or is Misty telling the truth?

It appears that TN is repeating whatever Misty has told her, so I wouldn't base a decision on TN's words.

Ron denies it. Misty reported it.......now what? Who do you beleive?

 

[lonetraveler]

Wondering if the discrepancy between Ron and everyone else is merely the context - how the word "fight" is used. Perhaps the context in which Ron uses "fight" means physical altercation whereas others use "fight" in a much more loose context. In my opinion, females tend to use this word in a very different context than males.

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I can only say that if someone came into my house and stole a pistol, I would not be using words to convince them to bring it back. That's all I'm going to say about that. I cannot see Ron using "words" to get a thief to bring back his property. Maybe I'm wrong, but.............

 

[lonetraveler]

Your not assuming at all, I have said over and over in my post I think there was a situation with JO and the gun - I think JO took the gun after RC confronted him I think the gun all the sudden showed back up. I do not think there was a physical altercation with the gun.

Also JO was not at the mobile home that night, if someone can provide a link that states that would be great (other than the one where TN says yes before IIRC NG is rattling off names, then once NG finishes RC clarifies no cousin was there that night).

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Busy, how do you think that Joe stole the pistol? Where was the pistol when he took it? So you think that Ron just asked Joe to return the pistol and he did just that? Ok.

Also, how can Ron clarify that the cousin was not there that night if he was at work?