Ron C. #7

[Busylady]

I can see RC saying gun disappeared while you were here, it better show up or else and gun then shows up. LE is not the one that found the gun in the ditch. Could JO of told Misty that the gun is in the ditch, my understanding is the gun was found by the Croslins home in the ditch. As far as RC ruining a scenario for Haleigh being taken I don't think he ruined anything, I think he simply told the truth. If he was guilty of harming Haleigh he would of been all over the gun story shouting it from the rough tops. I don't see it as a contradiction at all. My understanding is the gun situation happened a few weeks before Haleigh went missing, and that JO left in the early morning hours Feb 10th. That is why there is the possibility that he used the van that was parked at Chelseas, where he was staying, the night Haleigh disappeared. JMO

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How do you think that Ron confronted Joe? Do you think that he calmly asked for his gun back? I'm also very perplexed as to why Ron would ruin a scenario for why Haleigh may have been taken. Beats all I have ever seen. If Joe took a whupping I can fully understand why he would leave the gun in the ditch. Question is, how did Ron find out the gun was in the ditch? There are also stories that Joe was there right at the time that Haleigh was reported missing. Not two weeks before. Why on earth would Ron contradict the stories from Misty, Teresa and Misty's father and mother stating the Joe stole his pistol, he confronted Joe (beat the hell out of him) and then the pistol magically appeared in a ditch and Ron received divine intervention and found out exactly what ditch the pistol was in and retrieved it. This all sounds like the plot to the ultimate soap opera.

 

[Busylady]

I think JO stole the pistol from the mobile home. No I don't think RC and JO sat down to tea and had a nice sweet conversation about returning the gun. I think there was some pretty strong words and probably some threats thrown in there.

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Busy, how do you think that Joe stole the pistol? Where was the pistol when he took it? So you think that Ron just asked Joe to return the pistol and he did just that? Ok.

Also, how can Ron clarify that the cousin was not there that night if he was at work?

 

[lonetraveler]

I can see RC saying gun disappeared while you were here, it better show up or else and gun then shows up. LE is not the one that found the gun in the ditch. Could JO of told Misty that the gun is in the ditch, my understanding is the gun was found by the Croslins home in the ditch. As far as RC ruining a scenario for Haleigh being taken I don't think he ruined anything, I think he simply told the truth. If he was guilty of harming Haleigh he would of been all over the gun story shouting it from the rough tops. I don't see it as a contradiction at all. My understanding is the gun situation happened a few weeks before Haleigh went missing, and that JO left in the early morning hours Feb 10th. That is why there is the possibility that he used the van that was parked at Chelseas, where he was staying, the night Haleigh disappeared. JMO

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Busy, believe it or not, but I agree with you. I don't think that Ron even knew that Misty, her parents and Later (by third party, in other words speaking on just what she had heard from Misty), Teresa, were making statement concerning the gun. I do believe that Ron spoke the truth about part of the gun story. IMO, Ron did not want LE to know about the situation and therefore played it down. I don't think that he thought that Joe was in any way involved with Haleigh's disappearance. I agree with you that he would have built up the story to show intent, instead he played it down. Where Misty was playing up the possibility of Joe's involvement, Ron contradicted her story.

 

[Whisperer]

[QUOTE=Busylady;3981096]IMO RC doesnt deny anything. I don't think either of them are lying at all about this.[/QUOTE]

This statement blows me away!

What does "there was no fight about a gun. I don't have any idea what these people are talking about"..mean?

I hope this isn't another semantics type of thing.

 

[Flowanda]

Perhaps you're right. I don't imagine that Ron was in a position to hold some sort of threat over JO as a non-physical means of getting his gun back; JO would counter with threats of his own most likely. Is it fact that this gun was taken from Ron's MH?

I don't know much about guns... don't like 'em personally. You said "pistol" ...... does anyone know if this gun is small enough to easily hide in someone's clothing? If someone were running with the gun on them, could the gun have become dislodged and fallen into the ditch without this person realizing it at the time?......assuming the ditch is a earthen ditch, not a concrete ditch.

 

[lonetraveler]

I think JO stole the pistol from the mobile home. No I don't think RC and JO sat down to tea and had a nice sweet conversation about returning the gun. I think there was some pretty strong words and probably some threats thrown in there.

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I agree that there were strong words and definitely a threat ie., the gun showed up in a ditch. However, I don't think that Joe would have been motivated with just words. Doesn't fly with me. I think a bit of persuasion was thrown in for good measure. In other words, Ron gave him an offer he couldn't refuse. Man, that sounds ominous doesn't it??????? :crazy:

 

[mysticrose]

Can someone please tell me who Ron's uncle is ?

 

[Busylady]

I just don't see RC as a physically violent person, I think his bark is worse than his bite (I know all about the rumors of him beating everyone and anyone up I just do not buy it). The one violent thing on his record was for threats only as well, there is just nothing to back up that RC is a violent person. After looking at myspace accounts I would be more afraid of JO than RC any day of the week.

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I agree that there were strong words and definitely a threat ie., the gun showed up in a ditch. However, I don't think that Joe would have been motivated with just words. Doesn't fly with me. I think a bit of persuasion was thrown in for good measure. In other words, Ron gave him an offer he couldn't refuse. Man, that sounds ominous doesn't it??????? :crazy:

 

[mysticrose]

I just don't see RC as a physically violent person, I think his bark is worse than his bite (I know all about the rumors of him beating everyone and anyone up I just do not buy it). The one violent thing on his record was for threats only as well, there is just nothing to back up that RC is a violent person. After looking at myspace accounts I would be more afraid of JO than RC any day of the week.

I'd have to agree with you on JO, not sure if I would want to be barking up that tree much...:crazy:

 

[lonetraveler]

OK, I'm going to throw this out there. I have traveled in construction for many years. I always had a pistol when I traveled for protection. It was always with me. Either in the glove box or in my pocket book. I'm going to assume just for sematics that Ron does not carry a pocket book, or purse for you people who do not use the term pocket book. I also kept it in the house when I was not traveling and did not want to be stopped and a pistol was found, ok? Either this pistol was in the MH or in the van. Since the van seemed to be the communal van and used by a few people, I'm toying with the possibility that the pistol was in the glove compartment of the van. That is the single and only way I can see the cousin taking the pistol without coming into the mh and taking it. Please feel free to come up with another method of the cousin getting the pistol. I truly feel that he came into the mh while Ron was at work, visited and did a spot and steal deal. But, I'm willing to consider the other method I have provided. Please, if anyone has another method, provide it.

 

[Whisperer]

Everyone is assuming the gun was recovered by RC...not necessarily. It was stated someplace that LE recovered the gun behind the MH. Everything fits if LE located the gun behind the MH.

Isn't it possible RC tossed or hid the gun there before LE arrived?

 

[Whisperer]

If JO is the perp..LE would have solved this case. Fingerprints on the gun and admission of being there and suddenly leaving. The FBI could have cracked this guy and they are the ones who interviewed him.

 

[lonetraveler]

I just don't see RC as a physically violent person, I think his bark is worse than his bite (I know all about the rumors of him beating everyone and anyone up I just do not buy it). The one violent thing on his record was for threats only as well, there is just nothing to back up that RC is a violent person. After looking at myspace accounts I would be more afraid of JO than RC any day of the week.

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Well, that brings up the next question. How on earth did little meek Ron convince bad Joe to produce his pistol? I agree that Joe the cousin appears to be a real bad dude that I would not want to tangle with, so how did Ron confront him (without any violence at all) to cough up the pistol? It just doesn't jive.

 

[Busylady]

I have never seen anything about LE recovering the gun behind the MH - do you have a link or can you point me in the right direction. I thought the gun was recovered before LE was involved at all. Everything I have read said the gun was returned before JO left town.

Everyone is assuming the gun was recovered by RC...not necessarily. It was stated someplace that LE recovered the gun behind the MH. Everything fits if LE located the gun behind the MH.

Isn't it possible RC tossed or hid the gun there before LE arrived?

 

[lonetraveler]

If JO is the perp..LE would have solved this case. Fingerprints on the gun and admission of being there and suddenly leaving. The FBI could have cracked this guy and they are the ones who interviewed him.

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Yeah, I just can not see this "Billy bad here, running from little meek Ron" It just does not compute. OOPs I thought I was posting to Busy, sorry.

 

[mysticrose]

If JO is the perp..LE would have solved this case. Fingerprints on the gun and admission of being there and suddenly leaving. The FBI could have cracked this guy and they are the ones who interviewed him.

Dont be to sure whisperer. Jo lawyered up when he got to TN. I dont know how much diggin you've done on him but I can see it very possible this guy could get away with quite alot w/ the help of his friends...JMO of course

 

[Busylady]

My understanding is JO would of been in trouble had it been discovered he was in FL due to previous charges - so a simple threat of I will report you are here might of just done it.

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Well, that brings up the next question. How on earth did little meek Ron convince bad Joe to produce his pistol? I agree that Joe the cousin appears to be a real bad dude that I would not want to tangle with, so how did Ron confront him (without any violence at all) to cough up the pistol? It just doesn't jive.

 

[Busylady]

I think the pistol was in the mobile home, I also do not think RC was one to drive the van though he may have at times.

OK, I'm going to throw this out there. I have traveled in construction for many years. I always had a pistol when I traveled for protection. It was always with me. Either in the glove box or in my pocket book. I'm going to assume just for sematics that Ron does not carry a pocket book, or purse for you people who do not use the term pocket book. I also kept it in the house when I was not traveling and did not want to be stopped and a pistol was found, ok? Either this pistol was in the MH or in the van. Since the van seemed to be the communal van and used by a few people, I'm toying with the possibility that the pistol was in the glove compartment of the van. That is the single and only way I can see the cousin taking the pistol without coming into the mh and taking it. Please feel free to come up with another method of the cousin getting the pistol. I truly feel that he came into the mh while Ron was at work, visited and did a spot and steal deal. But, I'm willing to consider the other method I have provided. Please, if anyone has another method, provide it.

 

[Flowanda]

Good point! Because the van was a communal van, I'd tend to lean more towards it being in the MH. The one sticky point for me is thinking about the gun being in the MH where JO was able to spot it and easily abscond with it is that it possibly was also then in sight of HaLeigh & JR, Misty's bro's kids..... scary.

 

[lonetraveler]

Everyone is assuming the gun was recovered by RC...not necessarily. It was stated someplace that LE recovered the gun behind the MH. Everything fits if LE located the gun behind the MH.

Isn't it possible RC tossed or hid the gun there before LE arrived?

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Whisperer, I posted early in this case that I could just imagine how Ron and Misty were scurrying around getting rid of contraband and illegals before 911 was called. There is really no telling what LE recovered from hiding places around that MH. At this time I have not seen anything to collaborate if the
"much talked about firearm that cousin Joe stole" was recovered the night or next day following Haleigh's disappearance or if LE just took Ron's 9mm that he was threatening the perp (who stole Haleigh) with? It would be really nice and much appreciated if LE could give up just a few tidbits of information.