Ron C.

[alwaysonmymind]

Motive as in the way of accidental death, hurting her in a fit of rage, or such. Not that it would benefit her, but to cover up some other action perhaps.

Has this been documented? Or is it a theory? I have a few theories myself, though my head hurts from getting :slap: when I post about them...

 

[winterrose]

Both sides could be blaming each other and it could be someone neither one knows.It is stressing if there's no 3pm presser,nothing new then.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Respectfully, I think Seriously Searching was itemizing the plethora of prior run-ins with the law that helped form her opinion on BioMom and her family...and pointing out that even with those supporting facts, others disagree.

SS thank you for all your research and insight into this case, you are an invaluable tool here lol (if I may deem you a tool!)

Thanks, SC! Yes, in this context...you may. And thanks for the help to explain...because you are right. I find myself not taking the popular stance on many cases. Not to be contrary, but to simply take a stand for what I believe after reviewing everything. (My track record is pretty good, too!)

 

[LaLaw2000]

The fact remains that LE has NOT cleared any of these people. They are looking at them so we should be. I refuse to stand behind any of them, until they are cleared. It would be a disservice to Haleigh.

:clap::clap::clap:

Beautifully stated, tehcloser, and exactly how I feel!

 

[winterrose]

Has this been documented? Or is it a theory? I have a few theories myself, though my head hurts from getting :slap: when I post about them...

I understand.:blowkiss:

 

[cajun]

I totally agree with you, Littleone48...the judge had good reason to award custody to Ron - first and foremost, he had a job, he showed up for Court, and he had a place for them to live. Crystal appears to have had none of that, but I am wondering why she was not required to pay child support to Ron as the non-custodial parent. And all these years later, she has never tried to get her kids back by getting a job and her own place. Granted that makes her guilty of nothing more than bad parenting, but still...
I continue to believe this was a stranger abduction - no one in the family would have brought the media attention and LE to bear on the total dysfunctionality of this bunch!

She is required to pay child support and hasn't that is why she keeps having contempt charges brought against her and the last one being Feb. 10.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

ITA wholeheartedly. Hey, do you recall something being posted about the nearby water...something about, at most, it would take 3 weeks to wash up on shore (or mud or sand, whatever, at land, I should say)?

TIA, I am a citygirl with noooo knowledge of water whatsoever, despite Lake Michigan's proximity. So please excuse any mistakes.

Yes, someone mentioned it the other night (or possibly last night) on the NG thread, IIRC. I will see if I can find it.

 

[halleyscomet]

I'm sure this has been posted before, but can't find it. Does anyone know the exact time that Ron left for work and when he returned?

 

[alwaysonmymind]

I understand.:blowkiss:

Thankyou, I've seen you take a few :slap: yourself....

<looking for BC powder>

 

[winterrose]

Thankyou, I've seen you take a few :slap: yourself....

<looking for BC powder>

LOL,that's for sure.This case can make for some heated discussions.There was so much slapping going on after the Geraldo show,I thought my head would stay lopsided.

 

[CeeKer]

(snipped for space)

The things I have brought out about Bio mom and her family are either documented or stated by them in the media. The things they have said about Ronald are neither proven nor documented that I can tell, but people want to jump on those statements as being true.

I feel many want to jump on Ron because they honestly believe he is an abuser and no matter what the facts show they will not take a step back from that position. Ron swore at Misty on the 911 call, some people took that and "ran" with it, yet with all the accusations brought forth by Bio mom and family, he has yet to say ONE bad word against her. When given a platform to "air" his abuse, the best she can come up with is he put hands on her over a Cocaine dispute, airs a photo that is documented by the school as an accident at school, and her cousin saw him backhand Haleigh (which doesn't appear to have been reported or documented to anyone).

Personally there is something about Bio mom that I like, in a backwards state sort of way. I find she can be very honest about her own shortcomings which I give her credit for.

I wish we could all take a step back and come at this from a kinder, gentler place.

 

[Law_girl41]

Ron reminds me SO much of my stepson! He has a very hot temper also .... and is very controlling, I see ALLOT of him in Ron, in his eyes, his facial expressions, his body language and his words.

And: why did Misty say 'your back door'? That just sounds strange, when you're living with somebody. I would think it would be 'the back door'.

Not so strange, when dealing with someone with alleged dominating tendancies of control. In her mind, it may mean she knows her boundaries when it comes to whats his and whats hers. It's very possible these boundaries were instilled very early on in the relationship. imo

I had a step father who made it very clear when we were little that it was his fridge, his food and we had to ask him for anything. {I shutter at the memories}

 

[kiki the parrot]

The fact remains that LE has NOT cleared any of these people. They are looking at them so we should be. I refuse to stand behind any of them, until they are cleared. It would be a disservice to Haleigh.

~bolded by always~

Why leave JR?

What do think Misty's motive could be?

My thoughts exactly. ITA w both. Can only speak for myself but the difference seems to be that personally, I am not "looking" at "sides" (?) or at either dad, gf OR bio mom as being directly implicated. Nor is it any longer useful for ME in "this mess" to assign or attribute motives to immediate family members (?) based on "rap sheets," because to do so would be completely inconsistent w my theory. I'm growing weary of this silly "Her Side," "His Side" pettiness. Once more, MY only purpose in scrutinizing or delving into dad's sordid associations or his lifestyle is because it is from HIS home that I believe Haleigh was abducted by any one of 45 SOB's (incl'g cousin from TN here) and what can be learned about the risks that contribute to identifying that SOB. I am myself no longer interested in wasting time on the inner circle and have moved on because none of them have sufficient motive IMO--which isn't why I'm on this particular thread but for other reasons concerning a far more likely scenario. And so I believe is LE who are likely continuing to question dad and gf for the same reasons as I am. It is there where she can last be placed. The sick and twisted motive of any of these SOB's is only too clear but dad and gf's credibility is at stake in establishing a timeline and is key in establishing opportunity. Just so it's clear... the only side anyone should want to be on is Haleigh's and LE's SIDE. JMO

arrot:

 

[BetsyB]

Bravo, Indigo!! Great job in researching! It would make sense this is what happened.

I saw the clip of Misty's father in the driveway in his wheelchair. I didn't notice a funny look, but maybe he is in a lot of pain. Poor fella.

It isn't that I feel that Ronald is a Saint here. I never said that at all. Maybe I am finally relieved to see a parent acting like they give a damn instead of like in the "other" case. TN is acting like I would expect a grandparent to act, too.

I am not seeing it from the other side of Haleigh's family and with the tirades...it makes me very suspicious. It could be a carry over from my anger towards the callousness and indifference I feel was offered to Caylee, but my heart tells me there is more behind those tirades. I started completely over on my list of suspects here and this is where it takes me.

ETA: LaLaw and Indigo, I did the same thing. I put a y in Haleigh's name for the longest time without thinking.

(Bold mine.) I think their anger is completely rational, and does not have anything behind it other than the bitter realization that the parent deemed "better" was as far from a responsible parent as one might be---with disastrous consequences. They were failed miserably. They are victims.

I have no doubt that Ronald Cummings loves his children. I have no doubt that his pain is genuine. But love is not enough. His associates, behavior, and choice of partner/childcare giver placed his children in ongoing danger.

He doesn't get an award simply for being more demonstrative than the sociopath in another part of the state, in my book.

 

[winterrose]

I don't have a problem with his cussing at the 911 call,to me he was freaked out his child was gone.I don't pay attention to what the BioMom says,there's too much animosity with all the custody hearings.I am focused on that night and why.I feel we can't overlook the fact that drug activity might not be involved,even in defending him.It doesn't mean he did something to Haileigh or abused her,why would people keep saying she's his heart.I do however think due to Misty's brothers and SIL's comments on ms,there's drug activity and I beleive that's how Ronald met Misty,and moved close to her brother in trailerpark.

 

[CeeKer]

Both sides could be blaming each other and it could be someone neither one knows.It is stressing if there's no 3pm presser,nothing new then.

Bio Mom and fam are blaming and bringing up mud... All I've seen Ron do is plead for the return of his daughter. Can you show me something where Ron's side has done any blaming?

 

[winterrose]

I think he's been looking for someone that would stay home and watch his children and be with him.She was there,he went with it,bad choice yes,but I think it's all about his children.Now,it just seems he's realized he's screwed up,but all he wants is his child back.

 

[winterrose]

Bio Mom and fam are blaming and bringing up mud... All I've seen Ron do is plead for the return of his daughter. Can you show me something where Ron's side has done any blaming?

I know,that's what I'm saying.But,I also want to look at reasons behind what happened.I don't know these people,I'm so sad a child is missing.What we should be doing is looking at this with the facts we have instead of emotionally and taking sides.It's like we've all fallen into to this family feud.This has become more of a support forum for either side instead of sleuthing and this is what we do.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I feel many want to jump on Ron because they honestly believe he is an abuser and no matter what the facts show they will not take a step back from that position. Ron swore at Misty on the 911 call, some people took that and "ran" with it, yet with all the accusations brought forth by Bio mom and family, he has yet to say ONE bad word against her. When given a platform to "air" his abuse, the best she can come up with is he put hands on her over a Cocaine dispute, airs a photo that is documented by the school as an accident at school, and her cousin saw him backhand Haleigh (which doesn't appear to have been reported or documented to anyone).

Personally there is something about Bio mom that I like, in a backwards state sort of way. I find she can be very honest about her own shortcomings which I give her credit for.

I wish we could all take a step back and come at this from a kinder, gentler place.

You are right. That is where the division started here.

I will try to find one thing today I can say nice about Bio mom. Hmmm...nothing yet...let me work on it.

 

[winterrose]

Go ahead delete it,I expect it.LOL