Ron Cummings Arrested 2009.08.06 RE: Battery involving brother-in-law #2

[mysticrose]

If the Croslins would have called LE, then people would be jumping all over that fact. People would be asking why the Croslin's just did not go over there instead of calling LE.

 

[TxLady2]

IMO

I don't know if Misty has stopped contact with her family but I want to say this. It didn't seem as though the Croslins went over there with the intent of calling in police, they had concerns and were addressing them without interference of LE.

Mother/father/brother must have some reason for their concern. With all the talk of known abuse of spouses I think every woman would be glad to have a brother who worried about their well being. While you all can argue the details I'm just going to say a few simple things.

If people are willing to say he should have been shot, I'll call him a hero brother. A real friend and brother would do anything for his sister, including lay down his life for her. Don't look now but there are a number of hero's whom have died by throwing themselves on hand grenades and bombs to protect others not even family members.

So Tommy, I salute you for trying because of what you perceived. Every sister should have a brother who cared as much as you.

I agree, and I commend you on this post! I had two such brothers, and also a very protective father, who would have done the same thing for me. Only difference is, if it had come to an actual fight between them, my ex would have been long in his grave by now.
I do not know what Misty's role is in this, whether she misled her family, or just changed her mind. But the thing that really puzzles me is the RO against her brother. Having only been married for a few months, it is odd to me that she does not still feel a sense of loyalty towards her family or why she would want to risk the chance of not having them to call for help in the future. She seems to be rather isolated with only Ron's family around her. No matter how much I loved my husband, I would still want to have my family's support and love, I would not want to alienate them in any way.

 

[Whisperer]

Peli and TxLady...good post...(all buttons gone again..lol)

 

[Peliman]

Maybe I misunderstood your post you stated hero brother. I did not quote your post because I was not addressing your post alone. I was making a point of it being stated he was a hero brother - and others stating RC was violent and abusive. I believe if there was real fear of Misty's safety they would of called LE and not all three gone onto someones property to confront the situation, I believe they were there for an entirely differently reason.

I'm sure Misty's two lips can talk to her own family. If the situation was dicey the Cummings could call 911. If Misty wanted to go, she should be allowed the freedom to go. If she wanted to stay, it's her choice also. If Ron had been working at PDM when this occurred, what would he do then? Maybe she requires 24/7 guard duty from RC.

 

[Busylady]

As I stated in another post yes the Cummings should of gone inside and called 911. If RC had not been there and Misty was not inside and able to call 911 I think it would of been very bad for Misty JMO.

I'm sure Misty's two lips can talk to her own family. If the situation was dicey the Cummings could call 911. If Misty wanted to go, she should be allowed the freedom to go. If she wanted to stay, it's her choice also. If Ron had been working at PDM when this occurred, what would he do then? Maybe she requires 24/7 guard duty from RC.

 

[Whisperer]

The question seems to be What is the reason the Croslins came over?

No matter what you believe, it revolves around Misty....AGAIN!
1. Croslins wanted her to go with them
2. Ron believes they were trying to abduct her..

Which one is it?..........hmmmmm...not very difficult when you think about it, is it?

Your mind has to go to the place of "Why did they want Misty to go with them?
1...because they are kidnappers w/o a reason
2...they are a cult and want her to join
3...they are in fear for their daughter/sister

hmmmmm....not a difficult story to figure out for me.

 

[mysticrose]

Or if the Croslin's did not go over there to help Misty per say and something did happen to her, we would be hearing what terrible family members they are for not coming to her rescue.

JMO of course..

 

[Leila]

The point I was trying to make was that it didn't have to get to point of altercation IF both sides would have called the LE first. IF Misty had spoken with her family during the day her family had plenty of time to call the LE and not wait until late evening to drive over there.

On the other hand like I said, Ron and Misty should have called the LE when the group showed up on his grandmother's property.

I agree..............both parties, no matter what was the reason behind that incident, were remiss in not calling LE.

 

[Whisperer]

As I stated in another post yes the Cummings should of gone inside and called 911. If RC had not been there and Misty was not inside and able to call 911 I think it would of been very bad for Misty JMO.

Are you saying that you are worried about Misty?

On the previous page, your suggested maybe the Croslins were worried she would talk and wanted her to go with them.

 

[TxLady2]

Wow, I guess analyzing whether HC2 has minor or major injuries is more important to some then the FACT that Ron was arrested and charged with Burglary with Battery. He was violent. Period.

I don't buy that he was protecting his wife for one second either. I think it happened the way it makes most logical sense. Misty called her family for "help", she changed her mind after God knows what Ron said to her, the family showed up anyway out of fear for her safety, and Ron responds the way he usually does. With rage and violence.

I am entitled to my opinion, so there you have it.

Pretty simple when you get right down to it, huh!
I wouldn't call it protecting his wife, either, because I don't think her family intended any harm to her. More like holding her hostage. Okay, maybe that's a little over the top, but I agree, she called her family for help, and in the meantime, he "persuaded" her she didn't really want to leave. When they showed up, he reacted, and not in a nice way.

 

[Whisperer]

Since when do people call 911 when they want to leave because they are tired of living with their spouse?

 

[Whisperer]

I think people are jumping the gun here, to say the least.

RC committed assault/battery according to the statements. He was the aggressor..end of story. You may not like the burglary charge but it is correct.

 

[debs]

IMO RC should of just gotten Misty inside and called 911 when the Croslins showed up. I however do believe they showed up with the intent of taking Misty with them, I do not believe for a second they were there to rescue Misty at all. I also do not believe Tommy calmly approached RC, Tommys record speaks for itself there. IMO they are afraid Misty will talk when they are no longer around. JMO

So if I understand you correctly here......The Croslin's wanted to take Misty, not for fear for her well-being (as they stated) but because Misty herself knows something that she would only spill/release/let others know AFTER they have departed the neighborhood/county/state/region? Is that what I'm to understand??? Misty has some information that the Croslin's don't want out? Is this information related to Haleigh's disappearance????? Is it possible that Misty is the key, after all??? If Misty is sitting on this information (and you apparently believe she has it and IS sitting on it) it is out now....and MISTY!!! GET THEE TO THE NEAREST LE OFFICE IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!

 

[Peliman]

I agree, and I commend you on this post! I had two such brothers, and also a very protective father, who would have done the same thing for me. Only difference is, if it had come to an actual fight between them, my ex would have been long in his grave by now.
I do not know what Misty's role is in this, whether she misled her family, or just changed her mind. But the thing that really puzzles me is the RO against her brother. Having only been married for a few months, it is odd to me that she does not still feel a sense of loyalty towards her family or why she would want to risk the chance of not having them to call for help in the future. She seems to be rather isolated with only Ron's family around her. No matter how much I loved my husband, I would still want to have my family's support and love, I would not want to alienate them in any way.

Hi TxLady, I'm unsure what's happening but if shes being isolated from her family the unknowing will create questions, real or perceived by her family. It's not like negative In-law relations is something new. If all of them had been talking and communicating his may have never occurred.

 

[TxLady2]

IMO RC should of just gotten Misty inside and called 911 when the Croslins showed up. I however do believe they showed up with the intent of taking Misty with them, I do not believe for a second they were there to rescue Misty at all. I also do not believe Tommy calmly approached RC, Tommys record speaks for itself there. IMO they are afraid Misty will talk when they are no longer around. JMO

BBM... this statement is a little conflicting, don't you think? They weren't there to rescue her, but they did intend to "take" her? Are you serious? This is her family, the people who raised her and grew up with her and have known her all her life. I doubt that they were attempting to kidnap her, fgs!
Why is it so hard to believe that they came there because they thought she was in danger of more abuse or that she needed help? Good Lord! Tommy's record has nothing whatsoever to do with this, he is her brother! He loves her, and probably went there to lend support for his dad, as well.
As for being afraid she will talk when they're no longer around.... I'm not following you here. One could also apply the same principle to Ronald. He's afraid she'll talk once she is out of the clutches of him and his Gma!!

 

[TxLady2]

As I stated in another post yes the Cummings should of gone inside and called 911. If RC had not been there and Misty was not inside and able to call 911 I think it would of been very bad for Misty JMO.

WOW!! That's some serious stuff there! What makes you think this, Busy? Do you really think she would have been harmed? By her own family?
This just leaves me........ speechless.

 

[Busylady]

I think she would of been taken against her will I am not saying they would physically harm her. It is really hard to explain because of what we are and are not allowed to discuss. I think there were calls all day long, I think tension was rising because they wanted Misty to go with them, she wasn't agreeing to that. I think it reached a boiling point and they came over even after they were told not to come over. IMO Haleigh going missing has created a lot of tension in the family and things had been rocky for a bit - the pill thing is just an example of that. I am not convinced they were involved in Haleighs disappearance but I do think some things are going on there.

WOW!! That's some serious stuff there! What makes you think this, Busy? Do you really think she would have been harmed? By her own family?
This just leaves me........ speechless.

 

[TxLady2]

Hi TxLady, I'm unsure what's happening but if shes being isolated from her family the unknowing will create questions, real or perceived by her family. It's not like negative In-law relations is something new. If all of them had been talking and communicating his may have never occurred.

That's true, and I wonder if he's not allowing her to see her family, because he's afraid she will tell them how he treats her. Just a thought. It's not uncommon for a possessive, controlling man to forbid any contact with his wife's family or friends. IF this is what is going on, then I hope she wakes up soon and gets away from him before it's too late.
I lived with a controlling spouse myself, when I was not much older than her. He was extremely jealous of my family, and once he backhanded me so hard, in the car on the way home, my ear hit the window and made it black and blue..... just because I said something flattering about my brother.

 

[TxLady2]

I think she would of been taken against her will I am not saying they would physically harm her. It is really hard to explain because of what we are and are not allowed to discuss. I think there were calls all day long, I think tension was rising because they wanted Misty to go with them, she wasn't agreeing to that. I think it reached a boiling point and they came over even after they were told not to come over. IMO Haleigh going missing has created a lot of tension in the family and things had been rocky for a bit - the pill thing is just an example of that. I am not convinced they were involved in Haleighs disappearance but I do think some things are going on there.

Okay, thanks. But I don't see how they thought they could make her go against her will. She's married to him. Now, if she was still just living with him, being underage, they could have made her go, whether she wanted to or not, and he couldn't stop them. It's just as easy to think that she might have wanted to go at first, and then changed her mind, whether on her own or by "persuasion." I'm sure there is a lot of tension... but don't you agree that the Croslins might have reason to believe that Misty isn't safe there?
I would really be interested in hearing this information that you can't discuss, because I'm always willing to consider anything.

 

[TxLady2]

I have to go, didn't realize how late it's getting. G'nite, folks.