Ron & Timmy connection?

[Whisperer]

Where's the city dump located? Did LE really check ... all of them? What about the tree service business. Are there places around there? Wasn't it on Edgewood at one time (near Hoot Owl?). My brain keeps getting stuck in San Mateo..

 

[KSH352]

KSH, I don't think they are talking about drugs...we see how careless they are with their drugs. IMO, they are talking about Haleigh. We have the Cummings begging for proof and we have Tommy admitting that there is none. IMO, Tommy, Annette, Teresa, and Ron are the ones so confident about there not being any evidence...Timmy is not so sure. So the ones so confident, IMO, knows exactly what happened to Haleigh. JMO of course

Haleigh, SWEETIE WHERE ARE YOU?[/QUOTE]


I agree and so far I can't find that tape. ugh!
I know I wasn't hearing things. Actually the transcript from NG is not correct because I am positive I heard Timmy say he was afraid to come here because he would be arrested and then there is the rest of the conversation about proof.

I have searched everywhere and I can't give up.. ugh

 

[lonetraveler]

I've always thought the issue with the van being used that night was hinky. Why wouldn't they have questioned Joe more? The way Timmy and Chelsea reacted made NO sense to me.

I agree with you on that one. I feel sure that when Timmy, Chelsea and Joe left their home that morning to get into the van and noticed the damage there would have been hell to pay if Joe had indeed took the van without permission and damaged it like that. I just can't see the damage being ignored at that time.

 

[krkrjx]

Quoting KSH:


I agree and so far I can't find that tape. ugh!
I know I wasn't hearing things. Actually the transcript from NG is not correct because I am positive I heard Timmy say he was afraid to come here because he would be arrested and then there is the rest of the conversation about proof.

I have searched everywhere and I can't give up.. ugh

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You were not just hearing things; I heard it too, and I heard Tommy reassure Timmy that there was no evidence and thus no proof, and that nothing could happen without proof. And NG transcripts are woefully inaccurate.

 

[Whisperer]

Quote From KSH..>>I agree and so far I can't find that tape. ugh!
I know I wasn't hearing things. Actually the transcript from NG is not correct because I am positive I heard Timmy say he was afraid to come here because he would be arrested and then there is the rest of the conversation about proof.I have searched everywhere and I can't give up.. ugh>>>Unquote.


....Didn't they talk about that on that SKY tape, KSH? It wasn't NG ... it was the jail house recording...pretty long tape.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

It sounds to me like Tommy is trying to convince Timmy that LE has nothing on him (Timmy) so he can come back to Florida. But Timmy is not buying it because he is seeing everybody else connected to the Haleigh case getting locked up, those that are "in the know". So he fears that he will be arrested too. WHy? Is it because he fits in that category too? IMO, that's what Timmy meant by "bad timing". And Timmy feels it's "bad timing" because not only are the others being locked up, he himself have not been cleared as a suspect. He admits that Chelsea has but he has not. So my gut tells me that Chelsea is definitely trying to protect her husband, the father of her children. Tommy tells Timmy "Oh well...you didn't do nothing wrong", it sounds like Tommy is saying that, regardless of LE still considering Timmy suspect, that his part in all this mess is so small that he shouldn't get into trouble for it. But Timmy is still worried. I think Tommy slips up when he talks about LE needing proof, he then reassures Timmy that there will never be any proof. I take that to mean that all evidence connected to what happened to Haleigh has been destroyed completely. And as we stand 18 months later, still with no answers as to what happened to Haleigh, I think Tommy was absolutely right about there not being proof. IMO, Tommy is implying to Timmy that although he played a small part in this, there will never be any proof that anything ever happened, so therefore, Timmy's small part in it will not come to the light. If you think about it, we have Tommy admitting that there will never be any proof, probably because he helped get rid of it. And then we hear other players connected to this case talking about needing PROOF. Annette, Teresa, and Ron have talked about needing proof that something bad as happened to Haleigh. IMO, they come off kinda cocky because they too know that the evidence has been destroyed, so there is no proof. NO Proof NO case. So they continue to pitch the "Haleigh is still alive" BS. Everyone seem too confident, KWIM?

Great post. And a very revealing set of statements between Tommy and Timmy, especially:

TOMMY CROSLIN: Oh well, you didn`t do nothing wrong, they can`t nothing to you. They can`t. They got to have proof, dude, and you didn`t do nothing anyway because they ain`t never going to be any proof.

I take this to mean that Tommy knows Timmy "didn't do nothing wrong," which suggests that he might know who did do something "wrong." But the "they ain't never going to be any proof" is a statement that is very straightforward and believable. He knows there "ain't never going to be any proof," presumably about what happened to Haleigh and who is responsible for her disappearance and likely death. The only way he could know that is if he knows what happened to her and where the killers disposed of the body--which he himself has admitted, even if he gave the wrong site when he took LE to the dock. This statement also explains why Tommy won't really talk--he thinks that silence will keep him and his sister out of prison for life.

I wish LE would ask Tommy about this conversation. Maybe they already have.

 

[GER]

Where's the city dump located? Did LE really check ... all of them? What about the tree service business. Are there places around there? Wasn't it on Edgewood at one time (near Hoot Owl?). My brain keeps getting stuck in San Mateo..

There is only one county landfill and that is north of the Rice Creek Bridge on N. Hwy. 17...the road to the landfill is across from West River Road...Bostwick area.
I don't know why you're so stuck on San Mateo...tell me what's getting you bogged down for this area and maybe we can work on it...?

 

[GER]

I agree with you on that one. I feel sure that when Timmy, Chelsea and Joe left their home that morning to get into the van and noticed the damage there would have been hell to pay if Joe had indeed took the van without permission and damaged it like that. I just can't see the damage being ignored at that time.

I don't think that the damaged van was ignored. LE whether it was FDLE, local LE or FBI...some crime lab had the dog gone van for almost a month before returning to family. Joe was 'supposedly' scheduled to leave within the time frame that he did, previous to HaLeigh's disappearance.... Timmy and Chelsea left and at the time it made me wonder...

 

[Whisperer]

I don't think that the damaged van was ignored. LE whether it was FDLE, local LE or FBI...some crime lab had the dog gone van for almost a month before returning to family. Joe was 'supposedly' scheduled to leave within the time frame that he did, previous to HaLeigh's disappearance.... Timmy and Chelsea left and at the time it made me wonder...

My recollection is that the van wasn't taken right away. It was processes by FDLE. I don't know where we are getting information that JO was scheduled to leave Feb 10. I can understand timmy and chelsea leaving town...I can. I don't know whether that precludes them from any involvement though.

That van should have been the very first thing LE confiscated...I don't think it was. It sounds like chelsea was very vague on her feelings about JO possibly being involved. In reflection, she says that JO was dressed in his pants and not his boxers when they woke up after the call...unlike him. She even tells us the car was parked in a different way. She drives this car with timmy, jo and kids (I assume) to Satsuma but JO doesn't want to go to Green Lane and insists being dropped off at a gas station/convenience store..they oblige.

I don't know the sequence but Chelsea picked up Lisa (gainsville?) went to police station where ron and misty had to hand over their clothing from the night before. At some point, she must have got JO and what happened after that is anyone's guess. It has to be assumed that JO wanted to leave at this time though. I don't know where the pre-planning comes in for JO to back.

The car wasn't taken in immediately...to the best of my kge. I am betting it was brought to the attention of LE after Lindsy received the car back (whenever that was).

 

[Whisperer]

Concerning San Mateo...it appears that they all have ties in this area. misty, tommy, lisa, frank and the children all lived on Sunglow. misty had her friend Nay living nearby. I think Edgewood is in that area where the aunt lived/or had tree business. Ron passed by on his way to work daily. ron used to live there with Crystal. The kids attended attended school there and the church is there. Nay's Lincoln car was stuck there and I thnk Amber may have lived there also.

Ron/croslins are more connected with San Mateo than Satsuma imo. This may be the area where Haleigh is. If JO did this alone, then thinking would be Haleigh was disposed on his return back to Chelsea's. If any of the others did it, HaLeigh may be in the San Mateo area, if she is not near the trailer.

 

[krkrjx]

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I don't know the sequence but Chelsea picked up Lisa (gainsville?) went to police station where ron and misty had to hand over their clothing from the night before. At some point, she must have got JO and what happened after that is anyone's guess. It has to be assumed that JO wanted to leave at this time though. I don't know where the pre-planning comes in for JO to back.

The car wasn't taken in immediately...to the best of my kge. I am betting it was brought to the attention of LE after Lindsy received the car back (whenever that was).

JO came to Florida with a friend/girlfriend. (She had been referred to as his gf at the time; not sure if she was, or was just a friend.) She drove. When it was first said that his returning home was pre-planned for a specific day it sounded to me as if the gf was on vacation, not JO, like he had just come along for the ride as long as she was going that way.

If he was in fact riding along with someone who was on a scheduled vacation it would make sense that their return home date would have been planned in advance. JMO.

 

[Whisperer]

I heard that too...but we do not have any reason to think she was planning to leave that day. I wonder if it is all speculation? What if he weren't planning on leaving and then when this occurred he wanted to get out of Dodge. I wish we knew more about JA.

 

[krkrjx]

I heard that too...but we do not have any reason to think she was planning to leave that day. I wonder if it is all speculation? What if he weren't planning on leaving and then when this occurred he wanted to get out of Dodge. I wish we knew more about JA.

Very possible. We don't have it as fact, that's for sure.

About the only facts we have is that RC is dad, Misty was babysitter, JO was visiting in the area, and Haleigh is missing.

Beyond that, much of what we've heard is either a lie or speculation. I can't figure out why there are so few actual facts.

 

[GER]

My recollection is that the van wasn't taken right away. It was processes by FDLE. I don't know where we are getting information that JO was scheduled to leave Feb 10. I can understand timmy and chelsea leaving town...I can. I don't know whether that precludes them from any involvement though.

That van should have been the very first thing LE confiscated...I don't think it was. It sounds like chelsea was very vague on her feelings about JO possibly being involved. In reflection, she says that JO was dressed in his pants and not his boxers when they woke up after the call...unlike him. She even tells us the car was parked in a different way. She drives this car with timmy, jo and kids (I assume) to Satsuma but JO doesn't want to go to Green Lane and insists being dropped off at a gas station/convenience store..they oblige.

I don't know the sequence but Chelsea picked up Lisa (gainsville?) went to police station where ron and misty had to hand over their clothing from the night before. At some point, she must have got JO and what happened after that is anyone's guess. It has to be assumed that JO wanted to leave at this time though. I don't know where the pre-planning comes in for JO to back.

The car wasn't taken in immediately...to the best of my kge. I am betting it was brought to the attention of LE after Lindsy received the car back (whenever that was).

The van wasn't the first thing to have been taken as it was supposedly not even near 202 green lane the night HaLeigh disappeared. It was at Timmy and Chelsea's in the area of Paradise Shores, where they were renting a mobile home, is my understanding. It wasn't until the van was actually returned to Lindsy and Tommy in the damaged stage that it was in that LE even took notice, it was after a bit of stink was raised about the damage...by Lindsy is what I understand. Course, Lindsy was quite upset that it was in LE's possession for as long as it was, as it hampered her need to get to school, etc. It was right after the van was taken by LE that we learned of the swabs of family members being taken, for DNA... I know that the buzz around here was maybe it was significant at the time...
Just guessing here, as I didn't know that J.O. didn't want to go down to Tyler/Green Lane while LE was down there the 10th.. But clearly I can understand anyone's reluctance to go down there...My own dad and his wife lived there in River Villa's and I wouldn't even go down to visit them in the days that followed...it was a nightmare of a mess! You had so many individuals down this rural area of Satsuma... no locals wanted to be in the middle of it...I can just imagine that if someone like J.O. w/a past...didn't feel comfortable being around LE... On this, it is just my opinion.

 

[GER]

JO came to Florida with a friend/girlfriend. (She had been referred to as his gf at the time; not sure if she was, or was just a friend.) She drove. When it was first said that his returning home was pre-planned for a specific day it sounded to me as if the gf was on vacation, not JO, like he had just come along for the ride as long as she was going that way.

If he was in fact riding along with someone who was on a scheduled vacation it would make sense that their return home date would have been planned in advance. JMO.

Take this for what it's worth...but street word has it that J.O. had an acquaintance in Tennessee who was heading down to Daytona to see family/friends...J. O. supposedly hitched a ride with this person, who detoured just a bit to drop him off in Satsuma so he could visit with family here...she was to pick him up on her way out and back to Tennessee. From what I've gathered, their departure from here was delayed by at least half a day, as LE did talk to J.O. (we also know that he was with Misty putting up posters, which was on the late afternoon of the 10th)... Also, don't know when exactly but it was shortly AFTER J. O. left and was already in Tennessee that a couple of detectives went up to his place to interview him... Again, we wondered at the timing of their interview, here locally...

 

[krkrjx]

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Just guessing here, as I didn't know that J.O. didn't want to go down to Tyler/Green Lane while LE was down there the 10th.. But clearly I can understand anyone's reluctance to go down there...My own dad and his wife lived there in River Villa's and I wouldn't even go down to visit them in the days that followed...it was a nightmare of a mess! You had so many individuals down this rural area of Satsuma... no locals wanted to be in the middle of it...I can just imagine that if someone like J.O. w/a past...didn't feel comfortable being around LE... On this, it is just my opinion.

That's my opinion also. I have never been bothered that JO refused to go to the MH area after this happened, if he in fact did refuse. It seems a perfectly normal reaction, IMO, given what was going on in that area at the time.

If we had more facts, I might feel differently about this but with what we do have I see no problem with JO being nervous or uncomfortable or whatever.

 

[GER]

Concerning San Mateo...it appears that they all have ties in this area. misty, tommy, lisa, frank and the children all lived on Sunglow. misty had her friend Nay living nearby. I think Edgewood is in that area where the aunt lived/or had tree business. Ron passed by on his way to work daily. ron used to live there with Crystal. The kids attended attended school there and the church is there. Nay's Lincoln car was stuck there and I thnk Amber may have lived there also.

Ron/croslins are more connected with San Mateo than Satsuma imo. This may be the area where Haleigh is. If JO did this alone, then thinking would be Haleigh was disposed on his return back to Chelsea's. If any of the others did it, HaLeigh may be in the San Mateo area, if she is not near the trailer.

This is so hard to describe..there is like no 'city proper' here in this area...not really. As far as drawing lines of one area to the next...and what the locals call certain areas. Let's see, if I can help any...

Sunglow area, is technically San Mateo, but locally we refer to it as Horselanding area....referring to San Mateo as being that where Browning Pearce School and the Kangaroo on the hill...
It's kinda like where does one start and the other end kind of thing...
If anything, Ron is more connected to Satsuma, Welaka, Pomona Park, Lake Como, Crescent City sort of deal...those are where the 'family roots' are more significant.
The Croslin family...are more nomadic in nature, never staying in one place too long for one reason or another. The area that HaLeigh lived in when she disappeared, has been called by locals as Hermits Cove/Buffalo Bluff area and not really Satsuma. Satsuma 'sign' is actually just before MeMa's, but everything south of Dunns Creek Bridge is considered to be Satsuma, yet we all have Pomona Park 649 prefix for our landline phones... There is a large community of sorts, called Hoot Owl Ridge... it's in Satsuma, but we locals call it, Hoot Owl. Geeez, the more I'm trying, I know it's convoluted!

I just can't for the life of me, see where San Mateo holds anything more significant than say, Welaka, Pomona Park, Hoot Owl, Hermits Cove and Satsuma... As for Ron knowing the Croslins... I don't think that happened until Misty actually came to the area and stayed with her brother Tommy and Lindsy, cuz she babysat for them, as Lindsy was goin to school and Tommy was working with her dad at Seminole....that's how Ron got to 'know' Misty....that is my understanding, anyhow. Heckfire, I could be completely wrong and since I didn't even know these people existed before HaLeigh went missing...what do I know! *sigh*

 

[krkrjx]

Take this for what it's worth...but street word has it that J.O. had an acquaintance in Tennessee who was heading down to Daytona to see family/friends...J. O. supposedly hitched a ride with this person, who detoured just a bit to drop him off in Satsuma so he could visit with family here...she was to pick him up on her way out and back to Tennessee. From what I've gathered, their departure from here was delayed by at least half a day, as LE did talk to J.O. (we also know that he was with Misty putting up posters, which was on the late afternoon of the 10th)... Also, don't know when exactly but it was shortly AFTER J. O. left and was already in Tennessee that a couple of detectives went up to his place to interview him... Again, we wondered at the timing of their interview, here locally...

Yes, that is how I heard it. It all sounds above-board to me.

JO was high on my suspect list at one time but he moved to the bottom when others began to appear more likely. It is good that LE interviewed him because in a case like this everyone should be interviewed, and some more than once or twice, IMO.

JO does not appear to me to be guilty of anything other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Now, that could be only because JO has what in my opinion is a very good attorney. I hope with all my heart that if JO is the perp or has valuable information about Haleigh that he has wittheld, this comes to light and he is dealt with accordingly. He is low on my list, but he is not off it completely.

 

[Whisperer]

Thanks Ger for sharing that info about JO and the girl.

I say JO is LE"s #1 suspect...this is based on every single player naming him. Apparently he has a bad history and has made some people afraid. At times, his eyes have a look I have seen before and frankly it is troublesome.

I hope he is not involved but it sure looks like he is, at least, according to everyone of the Croslins.

 

[Whisperer]

This is so hard to describe..there is like no 'city proper' here in this area...not really. As far as drawing lines of one area to the next...and what the locals call certain areas. Let's see, if I can help any...

Sunglow area, is technically San Mateo, but locally we refer to it as Horselanding area....referring to San Mateo as being that where Browning Pearce School and the Kangaroo on the hill...
It's kinda like where does one start and the other end kind of thing...
If anything, Ron is more connected to Satsuma, Welaka, Pomona Park, Lake Como, Crescent City sort of deal...those are where the 'family roots' are more significant.
The Croslin family...are more nomadic in nature, never staying in one place too long for one reason or another. The area that HaLeigh lived in when she disappeared, has been called by locals as Hermits Cove/Buffalo Bluff area and not really Satsuma. Satsuma 'sign' is actually just before MeMa's, but everything south of Dunns Creek Bridge is considered to be Satsuma, yet we all have Pomona Park 649 prefix for our landline phones... There is a large community of sorts, called Hoot Owl Ridge... it's in Satsuma, but we locals call it, Hoot Owl. Geeez, the more I'm trying, I know it's convoluted!

I just can't for the life of me, see where San Mateo holds anything more significant than say, Welaka, Pomona Park, Hoot Owl, Hermits Cove and Satsuma... As for Ron knowing the Croslins... I don't think that happened until Misty actually came to the area and stayed with her brother Tommy and Lindsy, cuz she babysat for them, as Lindsy was goin to school and Tommy was working with her dad at Seminole....that's how Ron got to 'know' Misty....that is my understanding, anyhow. Heckfire, I could be completely wrong and since I didn't even know these people existed before HaLeigh went missing...what do I know! *sigh*

You know a lot, GER!

I am looking at san mateo as a place where Haleigh could be. I would like to start thinking of places where each one of the suspects would have placed her given their lifestyle, comforts, connections to an area and their mindset. Casey was easy to do but my place was eliminated early and I was lost. I had said the area behind her house near the resovoir. I went closer even and though she would be in walking distance because Casey would want to check on her to make sure she stays hidden or to just connect. I was wondering if the same logic can be applied to each player and that is where I was coming from by thinking San Mateo.

My understanding and from seeing very good proof was that ron and crystal lived of San Mateo Rd. I believe they had an apt. Crystal moved out of there in the spring of 2005. I had the addy but can't access my research, so I am going from memory here. I thought that Amber lived in that area also, but can't recall. I think ron moved in with amber after Crysral left. Misty would babysit for ron and amber's little boy. When this child was still an infant, misty was telling ronald to get the baby because he was not getting real good care. She also told Amber to take the baby so ron doesn't take it because he might not get good care. Amber left, is how the story goes but don't know how accurate that is. Regardless, misty wound up with rc by the time he moved to Satsuma on Buchanen/monroe in Aug 08. Her brother bought a house near by on Tyler in Aug/sep 08.

I also remember hearing that ron and amber lived on Green Lane for awhile...don't have the dates on that one with me. It must have been by 2006 before the baby was born.

Teresa Cummings/neves is also very mobile. I have 24 addys for her in twenty years, none of which included Rita Lane till this march 2010. That trailer and the house in Lady Lake has been listed as all of the family living in them througout the years. Teresa's main residence was Lady Lake area...till the past 18 months and all the problems with her son. She most likely wants to be nearby.

Misty's connections were San Mateo and palatka, no? I am looking at this for a place where the perp would place Haleigh. Depending on who the perp is, we will sleuth different locals. If there was any connection of Ronald to Crystal and he was involved in hiding Haleigh, he may have placed her near a common place they shared. I would go through this with each one if I knew their profiles and personality. That is a big "IF". Misty is a tough one because she is hard to reach emotionally.

Anyway, it was just my thought that perhaps ron is more connected to that area but you have made a valid point that he has family in Welaka area. I know his uncle donald lives close to AS and there is another relative on Beecher Springs. I was only looking at his romantic issues and not the family, thank you for reminding me about them

Maybe the County should consider putting up signs indicating when drivers are entering each town/city/township...:angel: