Ron's Incident With The Gun Spark Investigation was opened by DCF.

[OneLostGrl]

Let's be clear. A prostitute by her chosen lifestyle is choosing only to endanger herself. NOT a comparable situation. Should she also engage in other crimes and lifestyle choices which knowingly put her CHILD at risk (ie possessing illegal drugs or weapons in the home; bringing known felons, drug users, dealers, those possessing drugs, or unsafe weapons into their home; brandishing and making threats with or possessing unsafe weapons eg, or leaving her CHILD while poorly attended etc, these however would be comparable.

arrot:

The only way I know how to respond to this is to use myself as an example. I know I do this a lot but I have no oither way to explain what I mean and this works best for me as it's the only experiences Iv'e got. You know I love you, KiKi, so please don't feel like I'm replying directly TO you, I'm just trying to explain my mind set with this case..

I am a felon. So's my mother. I worked for an escort agency, I was addicted to and sold my own and other peoples (including my mothers) prescription drugs. I commited crimes while I had my son with me. Horrible.. I know. I did some lousy things but none of that means I didn't love my child. I was sick. I made poor choices but my choices didn't mean I'd deserve to have my child stolen from me. I always loved him.. I sold my body and drugs so I could feed him. I stole medicine for him when he was sick because I was broke. None of this is OK, I know this now but then? I was doing the best I could with what I had to work with. I 'spose I coulda left him, let his father take him but that was never an option for me because as screwed up as I was I loved him and wanted him.

I cannnot fault Ron. He was doing the best he could with what he had to work with.. I really believe he loves his children he just doesn't have much to work with.

 

[Malesherbes]

The only way I know how to respond to this is to use myself as an example. I know I do this a lot but I have no oither way to explain what I mean and this works best for me as it's the only experiences Iv'e got. You know I love you, KiKi, so please don't feel like I'm replying directly TO you, I'm just trying to explain my mind set with this case..

I am a felon. So's my mother. I worked for an escort agency, I was addicted to and sold my own and other peoples (including my mothers) prescription drugs. I commited crimes while I had my son with me. Horrible.. I know. I did some lousy things but none of that means I didn't love my child. I was sick. I made poor choices but my choices didn't mean I'd deserve to have my child stolen from me. I always loved him.. I sold my body and drugs so I could feed him. I stole medicine for him when he was sick because I was broke. None of this is OK, I know this now but then? I was doing the best I could with what I had to work with. I 'spose I coulda left him, let his father take him but that was never an option for me because as screwed up as I was I loved him and wanted him.

I cannnot fault Ron. He was doing the best he could with what he had to work with.. I really believe he loves his children he just doesn't have much to work with.

Thanks for your brutal honestly- I have more respect for someone who can own it, and take whatever criticism they get-

I dont respect Ron, hes been busted numerous times with date rape drugs and cocaine, and when asked if he ever had anything to do with drugs- he denies-

I cant respect that, be real, or be worthless, thats my motto-

 

[kiki the parrot]

I love you too One :blowkiss: TG your son made it. Haleigh, it appears, was not so fortunate. JMO

arrot:

 

[kiki the parrot]

Thanks for your brutal honestly- I have more respect for someone who can own it, and take whatever criticism they get-

I dont respect Ron, hes been busted numerous times with date rape drugs and cocaine, and when asked if he ever had anything to do with drugs- he denies

I cant respect that, be real...

WORD Mal.

arrot:

 

[OneLostGrl]

you are right, it does not lessen the charge of murder. But would her vocation have put her in the sights of someone more likely to commit murder?

Bold is mine-

Probably

 

[PorcineGranny]

Meow, sorry I didn't get back sooner, I cooked for a funeral today and took a little nap.

On the question of logic that is lacking...I really answered that in the next sentence on that post. We can't say something is right because everyone is doing it or we can't say its alright cause no one gets caught. The original action is still wrong. Lots of folks do the same things as others that experience terrible repercussions, does that make the wrong right? I don't think so.

your next statementwas about understanding your post. I think I did, but to say all understood it because Curvecutie did would be a mistake of epic proportions. It seems
that you are trying to pick an argument when none was inferred against you. Like Elle, you have never really crossed my mind when I posted earlier. But at least we are reading and thinking and I guess thats the good thing.

On the prostitute remark, all I asked is would her vocation put her in contact with someone who would be more likely to commit murder. I didn't really give an answer but I guess everyone assumed I said more. Yes, I would say that if a person who for whatever reason chose prostitution that would put them in contact with a genre of people that would more likely commit violent crimes. And thats not just my opinion, I have seen that, they are brought in (arrested) booked with other criminals and thrown in cells with criminals that have committed multiple criminal acts. But everyone knows why prostitutes are more likely to be attacked and no one thinks they deserve it or should be injured. Its just the nature of their business. Anyway, I'm mulling those that have considered a personal attack by my posts when they haven't even crossed my mind. Lets don't keep playing this guessing game because eventually you will narrow it down, lol. I'm still fuzzy from sleep, I am not targeting anyone with this post. I wish everyone a peaceful evening.

 

[elle1919]

The only way I know how to respond to this is to use myself as an example. I know I do this a lot but I have no oither way to explain what I mean and this works best for me as it's the only experiences Iv'e got. You know I love you, KiKi, so please don't feel like I'm replying directly TO you, I'm just trying to explain my mind set with this case..

I am a felon. So's my mother. I worked for an escort agency, I was addicted to and sold my own and other peoples (including my mothers) prescription drugs. I commited crimes while I had my son with me. Horrible.. I know. I did some lousy things but none of that means I didn't love my child. I was sick. I made poor choices but my choices didn't mean I'd deserve to have my child stolen from me. I always loved him.. I sold my body and drugs so I could feed him. I stole medicine for him when he was sick because I was broke. None of this is OK, I know this now but then? I was doing the best I could with what I had to work with. I 'spose I coulda left him, let his father take him but that was never an option for me because as screwed up as I was I loved him and wanted him.

I cannnot fault Ron. He was doing the best he could with what he had to work with.. I really believe he loves his children he just doesn't have much to work with.

I just peeked in for a minute to check the threads before I went to bed and I read your post. I just want to say that I don't think I would ever have the courage to lay out my soul the way you have in your post. No, I know I wouldn't. Your honesty is inspiring and your situation reminded me of my younger sister who I love very much. You made it out , so many don't.

 

[Peliman]

Question #1
Whatever results LE finds in the conclusion of this case would tell us the percentage of responsibility that Ron has for his choices.
Now if Ron left drugs out an Haleigh OD'd then obviously he should be held responsible (using that as an example)

Question #2
You completely missed my point.

So what you are saying is prostitutes deserve to be murdered as that is their career choice? That some human beings have less value than others.
I was using the prostitute example in reference to murder, not any other "crime" in general. Murder would be the only fitting example, as most likely Haleigh is not with us anymore, so the crime would have to be comparable.

I've defended my posts.

Hi Meow, no I did not say prostitutes deserve to be murdered. I am saying the nature of prostitution brings a person into situations which makes them more likely to become a victim of crime.

People make their own choices and what they choose may make them a victim of certain crimes. Didn't Misty not report a crime while trying to purchase drugs? Some might call it another duh moment.

Using your example of did Haleigh overdose that night? I was at werk and she saw a 3 and NayNay never wrote Donni from jail oh and now Ron and Misty had a fight over the phone at 8:30PM and Tommy says she wasn't there but we know everyone but Ron and Misty are liars right?

 

[curvecuti]

Hi Meow, no I did not say prostitutes deserve to be murdered. I am saying the nature of prostitution brings a person into situations which makes them more likely to become a victim of crime.

People make their own choices and what they choose may make them a victim of certain crimes. Didn't Misty not report a crime while trying to purchase drugs? Some might call it another duh moment.

Using your example of did Haleigh overdose that night? I was at werk and she saw a 3 and NayNay never wrote Donni from jail oh and now Ron and Misty had a fight over the phone at 8:30PM and Tommy says she wasn't there but we know everyone but Ron and Misty are liars right?

BBM, I realize you were addressing Meow, but I am not sure what the bolded part even means, or how it relates to Haleigh overdosing?

Nay Nay never wrote Donnie from jail? Is this a sarcastic post? Because we did see a letter that was supposed to be from Nay Nay to Donnie, but now Nay Nay didn't write it? Who wrote it?

AFA Tommy, well, I believe him about as far as I could throw him. And I don't recall anyone ever saying that everyone in the case was a liar except Ron and Misty? I guess your post is flippant? :waitasec:

 

[KOOL LOOK]

CC, when did we learn nay nay never wrote that jail house letter sent to Donnie? This is new news for me. Details please, TIA

 

[curvecuti]

CC, when did we learn nay nay never wrote that jail house letter sent to Donnie? This is new news for me. Details please, TIA

I don't know Kool, that's why I was asking. It was unclear to me if the post was meant to be sarcastic or if it has been reported somewhere that the Nay Nay letter was a hoax. Maybe the poster will come back and let us know. I would be very interested in why someone would try to impersonate Nay Nay w/ that letter.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

I don't know Kool, that's why I was asking. It was unclear to me if the post was meant to be sarcastic or if it has been reported somewhere that the Nay Nay letter was a hoax. Maybe the poster will come back and let us know. I would be very interested in why someone would try to impersonate Nay Nay w/ that letter.

This just gets weirder. I must have missed the post you are referring too, can you direct me to it? LE ought to be arresting these people interferring, involving and impeding the investigation. This if a hoax, shouldn't go unpunished. Unless LE doesn't mind such foolishness as it did "dog" Misty and fit their theories. UGh!!

 

[curvecuti]

This just gets weirder. I must have missed the post you are referring too, can you direct me to it? LE ought to be arresting these people interferring, involving and impeding the investigation. This if a hoax, shouldn't go unpunished. Unless LE doesn't mind such foolishness as it did "dog" Misty and fit their theories. UGh!!

It was in the post I quoted. This part I bolded and underlined.

Originally Posted by Peliman
Hi Meow, no I did not say prostitutes deserve to be murdered. I am saying the nature of prostitution brings a person into situations which makes them more likely to become a victim of crime.

People make their own choices and what they choose may make them a victim of certain crimes. Didn't Misty not report a crime while trying to purchase drugs? Some might call it another duh moment.

Using your example of did Haleigh overdose that night? I was at werk and she saw a 3 and NayNay never wrote Donni from jail oh and now Ron and Misty had a fight over the phone at 8:30PM and Tommy says she wasn't there but we know everyone but Ron and Misty are liars right?

 

[Peliman]

BBM, I realize you were addressing Meow, but I am not sure what the bolded part even means, or how it relates to Haleigh overdosing?

Nay Nay never wrote Donnie from jail? Is this a sarcastic post? Because we did see a letter that was supposed to be from Nay Nay to Donnie, but now Nay Nay didn't write it? Who wrote it?

AFA Tommy, well, I believe him about as far as I could throw him. And I don't recall anyone ever saying that everyone in the case was a liar except Ron and Misty? I guess your post is flippant? :waitasec:

CC the letter is out there, it's in the press. Actually I think it's significant but that's IMO... Do I believe it exist, yes I believe it exist. No it's not a sarcastic post, it's what theories are built on even though this is a different thread. It's a theory based on the letter NayNay wrote, not conjecture nor is it solid proof of where Haleigh is.

 

[elle1919]

I think law Enforcement are permitted to use certain tactics to learn new information that has yet to be confirmed or offered up. Is it possible that Law Enforcement interviewed Kristina P and used the party scenario as a tactic to discover if perhaps Misty was not in the home the night of February 9th? If they showed her a sworn statement would that statement have had to been true? TIA

 

[Flossie JMO]

I think law Enforcement are permitted to use certain tactics to learn new information that has yet to be confirmed or offered up. Is it possible that Law Enforcement interviewed Kristina P and used the party scenario as a tactic to discover if perhaps Misty was not in the home the night of February 9th? If they showed her a sworn statement would that statement have had to been true? TIA

bbm, nope, and I agree with what you're getting at

 

[elle1919]

bbm, nope, and I agree with what you're getting at

lol....after careful consideration that theory would require the silence of far too many people. JMO Even if Misty attended a party and had Haleigh and RJ in a car, someone would know. Likewise if Misty was at a party and left Haleigh and RJ at home, someone, maybe even numerous someone's would have known that Misty was withholding evidence and told.

At one time there was quite a substantial reward and I can't believe that Misty's cohorts would have that much allegiance to her. It's not like she was born and raised in Satsuma and these people had deep roots. Nah, I don't give that theory much credit. My opinion of course


ETA....very off topic of the thread and i apologize

 

[Malesherbes]

I wish DCF would rule already- Jr deserves to be at the farm for all the holidays that are coming up-

 

[KOOL LOOK]

DCF has already made their decision concerning Jr from day one. If they were deeply concerned about Jr.s well being in the home with Ron, especially over alledged gun charges, they would have immediately removed him and then investigated the allegations. I don't know where some think that DCF was going to automatically consider and take action to remove Jr. from Ron's custody. DCF has many options to consider in dealing with reports that they investigate, even when they find them to be substantiated. The last thing DCF looks to do is separate a child from a parent, their goal is to keep the family united, healthy and prospering.

All these allegations probably did was get Ron in contact with more Governmental programs and funds in order to help him be a stronger healthier parent for Jr. DCF agencies goal is to keep a family together by educating, feeding, clothing, child care, providing shelter and funds for their needs.

Some peoples plans backfired in their concerted efforts in trying to have Jr. removed from Ron's custody when they are strangers to this entire family, as this will enable DCF to offer programs that support families which is in the best interest of the child.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I don't think either of us believes I was ever referring to deer poaching... lol. It sounds suspiciously like faulting Ed Smart. Further, the continued implication of "took her out of that trailer" is of course always stranger abduction.... Some have not narrowed it down to this--least of all LE. We shall agree to disagree concerning virtually everything else as well. JMO

arrot:

1. Read the arrest records for most of the males involved in this case in all three families. They are all here on the earlier threads. There are a bunch of deer poaching or hunting violation arrests. For me, that's an interesting indicator of the cultural milieu in which the case is located. I am merely noting the breadth and diversity of illegal activity.

2. I am not faulting the Smart family. I am noting the inconsistency of posters giving them a pass on their bad choice when we know that choice contributed to their daughter's vulnerability and assuming that Ron's choices made Haleigh vulnerable. Just because Ron Cummings has a history with drugs doesn't mean that Haleigh's disappearance is related to that history. And giving the child to Crystal does not move her out of harm's way, necessarily. I do rejoice that Misty is no longer around; I agree that she is not a reliable or appropriate caretaker for young children.

3. Someone took her or her body out of that trailer. She's not there. In fact, I highly doubt it was "stranger" abduction, as in "someone out of the blue with no connection to the family." My own thoughts run along the lines of some with histories as predators who are known to or related to the one or more of three core families. But, for argument's sake, any of her blood relatives or neighbors could have "taken her or her body out of the trailer," either with or without Misty's knowledge. We know someone took her someplace. She's not there.

Just because I don't think Ron Cummings killed his daughter (or that Crystal did either, for that matter) doesn't mean that I think a random stranger is responsible. I think the one(s) responsible are in the neighborhood, so to speak.