Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #11

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Trump just called Zelensky a dictator. Where's this energy for Putin, who literally kills his opponents and holds fraudulent elections?

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UK Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer has spoken to Zelensky this evening, to express his support as "Ukraine's democratically elected leader", according to Downing Street.

Starmer told Zelensky it is "perfectly reasonable to suspend elections during war time as the UK did" during World War Two, the statement adds.

Downing Street says the PM also "reiterated his support for the US-led efforts to get a lasting peace in Ukraine that deterred Russia from any future aggression".

Ukraine latest: Trump calls Zelensky a 'dictator' as he hits back at 'disinformation' criticism
 
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So it turns out that all those calling Putin a genius were right. He won the war with Ukraine, the war with Europe and the war with the US. And most people haven't even had any awareness of his war with Europe and the US as it's stayed almost wholly Cold.
 
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From my country's MSM.
(Poland and Ukraine is our neighbour.)


"Big demographic hole.

The war only accelerated this problem of Ukraine.


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(Refugees in Wrocław, Poland)

In the last three years,
the population of Ukraine has fallen by as much as 10 million.
The country, fighting with Russia,
is struggling not only with the problem of finding new conscripts,
but also with a lack of hands to work.

If emigrants do not return to Ukraine after the war,
it is not known who will rebuild it.

Russian aggression against Ukraine has deepened the already critical demographic situation of the country.

In 1990, when the country regained independence,
it had 52 million citizens
and this number has never increased since.

On the eve of the outbreak of a full-scale war,
the population of Ukraine fell to 42 million,
and in August 2023 to 36.3 million.

Of these, only 31.5 million Ukrainians lived in the territories controlled by the authorities in Kyiv,
and the rest in the territories occupied by Russia.

According to research by the Ukrainian Institute for the Future,
about 29 million people currently live in Ukraine.
This enormous decline is largely due to the mass migration of Ukrainians fleeing the war,

which overlapped with the labor migration of previous years.

The number of young men of reproductive age has also fallen significantly.
The war has only deepened this problem.

According to various estimates,
around 8 million people left Ukraine because of the war.

The largest group,
almost 60 percent, were young women of reproductive and productive age.
As many as 83 percent of them have higher education or are currently studying.
One third of the refugees are children.

Ukrainian sociologists claim that the longer the war lasts,
the less likely these families will be to return to their country.

It would be understandable.
- The prolonged war,
- the devastated country,
- the economic weakness of the state,
- and the numerous sacrifices that people returning to Ukraine will have to endure
effectively discourage such action.

Especially since during the three years of war,
Ukrainians have already managed to settle in emigration.

The tragic state of Ukrainian demographics directly affects the mobilization capabilities of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
For this reason,
President Volodymyr Zelensky
for a long time did not want to agree to lower the age of conscripts from 27 to 25.

Young men were to be preserved in order to ensure Ukraine's future.

Ultimately,
the difficult situation on the front forced Kiev
to increase the pool of people who would be included in the mobilization."

Much more in the link:

 
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From my country's MSM

"Kyiv is losing its wealth.

'70 percent of all mineral resources of Ukraine'.


Donald Trump allegedly demanded the right to exploit up to 50 percent of rare earth resources in Ukraine.
Volodymyr Zelensky rejected this proposal.
According to him,
it did not take into account Ukrainian interests.

Unfortunately,
with the Russians' advances, Kiev is losing more and more wealth. -

'Most of these deposits are under Russian occupation
or in the frontline zone' -

says the expert from the State Geological Institute.

'Rare earth metals were recognized in Ukraine during the Soviet Union.

Their similarity to Greenland or China is characterized by the fact that they are located near cratons, i.e. crystalline rock massifs that create a fairly shallow shield in Ukraine.

These are very old rocks, over 2 billion years old.
Not only rare earth metals are found directly in them,
but also many other valuable elements or raw materials -
gold, titanium, uranium.

So
it's not just about rare earth metals.
It should be noted that many people include elements such as lithium or uranium in this group.

Meanwhile,
the term rare earth metals or elements is reserved for a dozen or so elements.

70% of all mineral resources of Ukraine are located in three regions:
Donetsk, Luhansk and Dnipropetrovsk.

Although Dnipropetrovsk region is largely controlled by Ukraine and is not occupied by Russian troops,
most of these deposits are under Russian occupation or in the frontline zone.

The area around the Sea of Azov, Mariupol -
there are, among other things,
deposits of rare earth metals in crystalline rocks (pegmatites) and sedimentary rocks.

Natural processes have done a lot of the work for humans there -
they have crushed these rocks, transported, selected and deposited minerals rich in rare earth metals and titanium.

Now it is enough to use excavators, buckets and these deposits can be exploited.

To the south of Cherkasy and in the area of Kryvyi Rih
there are deposits of iron, uranium, gold and lithium, which are also in the frontline area.

The area is exposed to air and artillery attacks.

Zaporozhye manganese deposits are literally in the frontline zone."

Much more in the link:

 
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From my country's MSM

"Kyiv is losing its wealth.

'70 percent of all mineral resources of Ukraine'.


Donald Trump allegedly demanded the right to exploit up to 50 percent of rare earth resources in Ukraine.
Volodymyr Zelensky rejected this proposal.
According to him,
it did not take into account Ukrainian interests.

Unfortunately,
with the Russians' advances, Kiev is losing more and more wealth. -

'Most of these deposits are under Russian occupation
or in the frontline zone' -

says the expert from the State Geological Institute.

'Rare earth metals were recognized in Ukraine during the Soviet Union.

Their similarity to Greenland or China is characterized by the fact that they are located near cratons, i.e. crystalline rock massifs that create a fairly shallow shield in Ukraine.

These are very old rocks, over 2 billion years old.
Not only rare earth metals are found directly in them,
but also many other valuable elements or raw materials -
gold, titanium, uranium.

So
it's not just about rare earth metals.
It should be noted that many people include elements such as lithium or uranium in this group.

Meanwhile,
the term rare earth metals or elements is reserved for a dozen or so elements.

70% of all mineral resources of Ukraine are located in three regions:
Donetsk, Luhansk and Dnipropetrovsk.

Although Dnipropetrovsk region is largely controlled by Ukraine and is not occupied by Russian troops,
most of these deposits are under Russian occupation or in the frontline zone.

The area around the Sea of Azov, Mariupol -
there are, among other things,
deposits of rare earth metals in crystalline rocks (pegmatites) and sedimentary rocks.

Natural processes have done a lot of the work for humans there -
they have crushed these rocks, transported, selected and deposited minerals rich in rare earth metals and titanium.

Now it is enough to use excavators, buckets and these deposits can be exploited.

To the south of Cherkasy and in the area of Kryvyi Rih
there are deposits of iron, uranium, gold and lithium, which are also in the frontline area.

The area is exposed to air and artillery attacks.

Zaporozhye manganese deposits are literally in the frontline zone."

Much more in the link:

I'm sure Putin had no idea those deposits were in those regions before he invaded Ukraine.
 
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Moo... Ukraine has hard decisions to make.

Ukraine - wants continued funding for the war, Russian occupied lands restored, security of borders by US.
Putin - the land occupied, no NATO, New election
US - wants the war to end, will no longer continue current funding levels, willing to secure borders with us ground troops in exchange for 50% minimum rights. (200 Billion contribution)
NATO - members do no have the available funds to increase contribution in the current year. Divided on membership. (100 billion contribution)

Pros
US will exchange military security of Ukraine borders an nuclear facility, for 50% mineral l rights. Could be offered to other nations for guaranteed protection. Other NATO members uncommitted currently.
Peace and safety
Will provide jobs for citizens, hopeful many will return
Opportunity for Ukraine to partner with Private industry for mining providing income for the government, rebuilding critical infrastructure, housing,schools, hospitals etc.
Restores agriculture , a main income prior to war
Secures nuclear facility

Con
They give up 50% mineral rights
Currently does not have the resources to mine, in current state of war
May have to concede land to Russia
No NATO, they don't meet the criteria for membership and would be an exception
Proposed election
Difficulty acquiring future funding.
Continued reduction in population
 
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From my country's MSM.
(Poland and Ukraine is our neighbour.)


"Big demographic hole.

The war only accelerated this problem of Ukraine.


View attachment 564994

(Refugees in Wrocław, Poland)

In the last three years,
the population of Ukraine has fallen by as much as 10 million.
The country, fighting with Russia,
is struggling not only with the problem of finding new conscripts,
but also with a lack of hands to work.

If emigrants do not return to Ukraine after the war,
it is not known who will rebuild it.

Russian aggression against Ukraine has deepened the already critical demographic situation of the country.

In 1990, when the country regained independence,
it had 52 million citizens
and this number has never increased since.

On the eve of the outbreak of a full-scale war,
the population of Ukraine fell to 42 million,
and in August 2023 to 36.3 million.

Of these, only 31.5 million Ukrainians lived in the territories controlled by the authorities in Kyiv,
and the rest in the territories occupied by Russia.

According to research by the Ukrainian Institute for the Future,
about 29 million people currently live in Ukraine.
This enormous decline is largely due to the mass migration of Ukrainians fleeing the war,

which overlapped with the labor migration of previous years.

The number of young men of reproductive age has also fallen significantly.
The war has only deepened this problem.

According to various estimates,
around 8 million people left Ukraine because of the war.

The largest group,
almost 60 percent, were young women of reproductive and productive age.
As many as 83 percent of them have higher education or are currently studying.
One third of the refugees are children.

Ukrainian sociologists claim that the longer the war lasts,
the less likely these families will be to return to their country.

It would be understandable.
- The prolonged war,
- the devastated country,
- the economic weakness of the state,
- and the numerous sacrifices that people returning to Ukraine will have to endure
effectively discourage such action.

Especially since during the three years of war,
Ukrainians have already managed to settle in emigration.

The tragic state of Ukrainian demographics directly affects the mobilization capabilities of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
For this reason,
President Volodymyr Zelensky
for a long time did not want to agree to lower the age of conscripts from 27 to 25.

Young men were to be preserved in order to ensure Ukraine's future.

Ultimately,
the difficult situation on the front forced Kiev
to increase the pool of people who would be included in the mobilization."

Much more in the link:

Thanks, very informative on the state of the nation of Ukraine. I did not realize the population impact.
 
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Moo... Ukraine has hard decisions to make.

Ukraine - wants continued funding for the war, Russian occupied lands restored, security of borders by US.
Putin - the land occupied, no NATO, New election
US - wants the war to end, will no longer continue current funding levels, willing to secure borders with us ground troops in exchange for 50% minimum rights. (200 Billion contribution)
NATO - members do no have the available funds to increase contribution in the current year. Divided on membership. (100 billion contribution)

Pros
US will exchange military security of Ukraine borders an nuclear facility, for 50% mineral l rights. Could be offered to other nations for guaranteed protection. Other NATO members uncommitted currently.
Peace and safety
Will provide jobs for citizens, hopeful many will return
Opportunity for Ukraine to partner with Private industry for mining providing income for the government, rebuilding critical infrastructure, housing,schools, hospitals etc.
Restores agriculture , a main income prior to war
Secures nuclear facility

Con
They give up 50% mineral rights
Currently does not have the resources to mine, in current state of war
May have to concede land to Russia
No NATO, they don't meet the criteria for membership and would be an exception
Proposed election
Difficulty acquiring future funding.
Continued reduction in population
I’ve never heard of a country being forced to give its assets to the US in exchange for protection. That sounds like something a gang of mercenary criminals would demand, JMO. Everything is a business deal with some people. No ethics or diplomacy, just highway robbery.

I hope Americans realize that if Russia is allowed to keep the stolen land, they will continue to invade other European countries. Norway will be next because Russia wants access to their ports.

The US is supposed to try to be the good guys, like our permanent allies. Russia has never been an ally of the US.
 
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Moo... Ukraine has hard decisions to make.

Ukraine - wants continued funding for the war, Russian occupied lands restored, security of borders by US.
Putin - the land occupied, no NATO, New election
US - wants the war to end, will no longer continue current funding levels, willing to secure borders with us ground troops in exchange for 50% minimum rights. (200 Billion contribution)
NATO - members do no have the available funds to increase contribution in the current year. Divided on membership. (100 billion contribution)

Pros
US will exchange military security of Ukraine borders an nuclear facility, for 50% mineral l rights. Could be offered to other nations for guaranteed protection. Other NATO members uncommitted currently.
Peace and safety
Will provide jobs for citizens, hopeful many will return
Opportunity for Ukraine to partner with Private industry for mining providing income for the government, rebuilding critical infrastructure, housing,schools, hospitals etc.
Restores agriculture , a main income prior to war
Secures nuclear facility

Con
They give up 50% mineral rights
Currently does not have the resources to mine, in current state of war
May have to concede land to Russia
No NATO, they don't meet the criteria for membership and would be an exception
Proposed election
Difficulty acquiring future funding.
Continued reduction in population
This is a very good summation of the situation.

The reality is that Russia currently holds a huge amount of Ukraine's territory. A huge question moving forward is how to send a "no more" message to Putin. Nato borders do appear to be a deterrent against Putin invading those countries. But there are countries and regions left that Putin covets that are not in Nato.
 
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