Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #11

[branmuffin]

How Russia successfully 'flipped' Donald Trump to form the 'Trumputin Pact'

Metro speaks to military and defence experts to find out how Vladimir Putin 'flipped' Donald Trump for Russia's rehabilitation in the West.

metro.co.uk

"Donald Trump has finally stopped pretending. After months, if not years, of flirtation with Vladimir Putin, the US is siding with Russia in its war with Ukraine.

At a time when Ukraine is fighting for survival, the US joined Russia, North Korea, Belarus and Israel to vote against a UN resolution to condemn the bloodshed in a double blow to both Europe and Ukraine."

More at the link.

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[Deleted member 39678]

Probably because it was BT: Before Trump. Back when the US acted like an ally, with 80 years of history of actively preventing war in Europe.

This article/report about the recovery efforts,dated today, doesn't mention that President Trump has affected the recovery efforts. In fact he's not mentioned at all.

So it appears to me that these efforts are going forward. JMO.

Ukraine: Post-war reconstruction set to cost $524 billion

The total cost of reconstruction and recovery in Ukraine is estimated at $524 billion (€506 billion) over the next decade, according to a new study published on Tuesday.

news.un.org

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Ukraine war latest: Ukraine, US reach agreement on minerals deal

Key developments on Feb. 25: * Ukraine, US reach agreement on minerals deal * Russia's war objectives 'not yet achieved,' Kremlin's ambassador says * Reclaiming occupied territories possible but 'not easy' for Ukraine, Trump claims * Ukraine needs $524 billion for recovery, reconstruction...

kyivindependent.com

The final version of the agreement, dated Feb. 24, establishes a fund to which Ukraine will contribute 50% of proceeds from the "future monetization" of state-owned mineral resources, including oil, gas, and related logistics. The fund will invest in projects within Ukraine.

The deal excludes resources that already contribute to Ukraine's state budget, meaning it will not cover operations by Naftogaz and Ukrnafta, the country's largest oil and gas producers.

 

[Cedars]

This article/report about the recovery efforts,dated today, doesn't mention that President Trump has affected the recovery efforts. In fact he's not mentioned at all.

So it appears to me that these efforts are going forward. JMO.

Ukraine: Post-war reconstruction set to cost $524 billion

The total cost of reconstruction and recovery in Ukraine is estimated at $524 billion (€506 billion) over the next decade, according to a new study published on Tuesday.

news.un.org

I was being somewhat ironic in that BT = anytime before last week.

A report such as that would be a long time in the making. It wouldn't have been written over the weekend.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I was being somewhat ironic in that BT = anytime before last week.

A report such as that would be a long time in the making. It wouldn't have been written over the weekend.

I think it's a baseless accusation. JMO.

 

[Betty P]

How Russia successfully 'flipped' Donald Trump to form the 'Trumputin Pact'

Metro speaks to military and defence experts to find out how Vladimir Putin 'flipped' Donald Trump for Russia's rehabilitation in the West.

metro.co.uk

"Donald Trump has finally stopped pretending. After months, if not years, of flirtation with Vladimir Putin, the US is siding with Russia in its war with Ukraine.

At a time when Ukraine is fighting for survival, the US joined Russia, North Korea, Belarus and Israel to vote against a UN resolution to condemn the bloodshed in a double blow to both Europe and Ukraine."

More at the link.

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Disgusting and deeply offensive. Can't wait for this to be over so the US can restore its good reputation among our allies and continue cooperation for sane, productive diplomacy.

 

[SouthAussie]

I'm surprised at the positive progress, during active combat. They've done quite well. Moo

Yes, I think so. But when you think about, they still have to live - hence the rebuilding of homes. And they still need to get to work and move necessities along transport lines - hence the rebuilding of roads.

While there is a fairly distinct war zone, people away from the war zones are no doubt carrying on with their lives. Just as in Moscow, people seem somewhat removed from the war that is going on. (from what I have read)

 

[Cedars]

I think it's a baseless accusation. JMO.

A baseless accusation that everything about Ukraine has changed since Trump's recent intervention? I am following the European media and story after story is "everything has changed since last week".

PM Warns that 'Everything has Changed'

Politics latest: PM warns 'everything has changed' after announcing defence spending boost

Sir Keir Starmer has announced defence spending will increase to 2.5% of GDP by 2027 - faster than the government had planned. The boost will be funded by slashing the overseas aid budget.

news.sky.com

Trump blaming Ukraine for Putin’s war leaves Europe reeling

Trump blaming Ukraine for Putin’s war leaves Europe reeling

The U.S. president called out Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelenskyy during a diatribe against Kyiv.

www.politico.eu

Worst-case scenario: Why Trump's push for negotiations has put Europe on total edge

Why Trump's big push for negotiations has put Europe on total edge

Donald Trump's push to strike a deal between Russia and Ukraine has rattled Europeans and stoked fears their security will be irreparably weakened. #EuropeNews

www.euronews.com

How Europe must respond as Trump and Putin smash the post-war order

How Europe must respond as Trump and Putin smash the post-war order

The region has had its bleakest week since the fall of the Iron Curtain. The implications have yet to sink in

www.economist.com

Support the guy, fine, but at least acknowledge the consequences of his words and actions.

 

[Dotta]

"Rebuilding Ukraine After Russian Invasion ​

Will Cost 506 Billion Euros.​

The World Bank
has estimated the likely cost of rebuilding war-torn Ukraine.

Repairing the damage resulting from the Russian invasion could cost as much as €506 billion.

That would be three times Ukraine's GDP in 2024.

'This analysis clearly shows the scale of destruction in Ukraine for which Russia is responsible'
the World Bank said in a statement.
The document was published on Tuesday.

The most affected regions are the eastern regions of the country:
Donetsk, Luhansk, Kharkiv,
and the agglomerations of Zaporozhye, Kherson, and Kyiv.

Rising reconstruction costs could get even higher.
Almost 13 percent of residential buildings were destroyed or damaged,
affecting more than 2.5 million households."

Bank Światowy wyliczył. Koszt odbudowy Ukrainy. Kwota zwala z nóg

Bank Światowy oszacował prawdopodobne koszty odbudowy zrujnowanej wojną Ukrainy. Naprawa zniszczeń wynikających z rosyjskiej inwazji wynieść może nawet 506 mld euro. Stanowi to trzykrotność ukraińskiego PKB w...

wiadomosci.wp.pl

 

[SouthAussie]

Poland invests, the West saves.
Geography decides about defence expenses IMO.

I noticed today that Poland has spent more of its GDP on Ukraine than many other wealthier countries.
@Niner Latvia too.

By the numbers | US ranks 12th in support for Ukraine by GDP

www.ussc.edu.au

 

[Amonet]

Oh yes he does! IF U.S. doesn't join the NATO troops. So - you don't care if he starts to invade the Baltic countries - especially where I live in Latvia?? Or Poland or - any of the "other" countries that were forced under Soviet rule back in 1945? I do!! After winning "our" freedom from Soviet rule - Aug. 21, 1991 - we have had freedom... I truly HOPE that does not change with trump's meddling. I shall have to flee to Sweden like my parents did back in 1944....

I think it's true that the US being part of NATO does provide a greater deterrent effect than the rest of the Nato countries minus the US.

 

[SouthAussie]

Emmanuel Macron referred to the possibility of sending European troops to Ukraine, a deployment which, in his view, would make it possible to “verify that peace is being respected”.

MSN

There is general agreement that to guarantee a ceasefire it will be necessary to [have] European troops in Ukraine. UK, Germany and France are already willing to do that, but other member states of the European Union will contribute as well,"

France, Germany, UK willing to send troops to Ukraine, says French minister | News.az

We are starting a technical discussion. There is general agreement that to guarantee a ceasefire it will be necessary to [have] European troops in...

news.az

 

[SouthAussie]

They are building an underground school in Kiev. It will protect the children against bombs and radiation.
They are actually going to build 3 of them.


As we were assured by the Dniprovsky District Education Department, a dual-purpose building with the protective properties of an anti-radiation shelter is being built next to school No. 183 on Yunosti Street. That is, it will be used during air raids and in the event of a radiation threat.

“The dual-purpose building is designed for 1190 students and 123 teaching staff and school service personnel. That is, for the entire number of students in the educational institution, including adults,” notes Ivan Bryzhko.

“This is not the construction of an underground school in the literal sense, but rather the construction of a dual-purpose structure. In wartime, they are built in Kyiv and work as a shelter where children can study during an alarm. These are dual-purpose structures. After the war, in peacetime, various clubs, sports sections, extracurricular education classes and even certain lessons can be placed there ...."

Two more such facilities are being built.

The first underground school is being built in Kyiv. For 332 million

Kyiv will have the city's first and largest underground school.

kyiv1.com

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[Simply Southern]

I noticed today that Poland has spent more of its GDP on Ukraine than many other wealthier countries.
@Niner Latvia too.


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By the numbers | US ranks 12th in support for Ukraine by GDP

www.ussc.edu.au

2121 is pre war. US significantly increased our contribution 2022.

 

[Simply Southern]

They are building an underground school in Kiev. It will protect the children against bombs and radiation.
They are actually going to build 3 of them.


As we were assured by the Dniprovsky District Education Department, a dual-purpose building with the protective properties of an anti-radiation shelter is being built next to school No. 183 on Yunosti Street. That is, it will be used during air raids and in the event of a radiation threat.

“The dual-purpose building is designed for 1190 students and 123 teaching staff and school service personnel. That is, for the entire number of students in the educational institution, including adults,” notes Ivan Bryzhko.

“This is not the construction of an underground school in the literal sense, but rather the construction of a dual-purpose structure. In wartime, they are built in Kyiv and work as a shelter where children can study during an alarm. These are dual-purpose structures. After the war, in peacetime, various clubs, sports sections, extracurricular education classes and even certain lessons can be placed there ...."

Two more such facilities are being built.

The first underground school is being built in Kyiv. For 332 million

Kyiv will have the city's first and largest underground school.

kyiv1.com

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332,000,000 UAH
is equal to
7,982,204.11 USD

Source: 332 Million Hryvnias (UAH) to US Dollars (USD) - Currency Converter

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I think it's really sad that an underground school should have to be built anywhere.
I can sadly see the need for it though.

 

[Simply Southern]

Emmanuel Macron referred to the possibility of sending European troops to Ukraine, a deployment which, in his view, would make it possible to “verify that peace is being respected”.

MSN

There is general agreement that to guarantee a ceasefire it will be necessary to [have] European troops in Ukraine. UK, Germany and France are already willing to do that, but other member states of the European Union will contribute as well,"

France, Germany, UK willing to send troops to Ukraine, says French minister | News.az

We are starting a technical discussion. There is general agreement that to guarantee a ceasefire it will be necessary to [have] European troops in...

news.az

President Trump's message over he last few days .... European countries will need to provide peace keeping presence. During several media appearances with PM Emmanuel Macron, he made it clear.

Reading between the lines..... European countries will provide peacekeeping, any military action will be the responsibility of Ukraine. Moo

 

[Dotta]

"Ukraine confirms. ​

There is a final version of the agreement with the US on minerals.​

The United States and Ukraine have worked out the final version of the agreement on Ukrainian mineral deposits.

The government is to approve it on Wednesday,
Ukrainian Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal said."

Ukraina potwierdza. Jest ostateczny wariant umowy z USA w sprawie minerałów

Stany Zjednoczone i Ukraina wypracowały ostateczny wariant umowy w sprawie ukraińskich złóż minerałów. Rząd ma go zatwierdzić jeszcze w środę - powiedział premier Ukrainy Denys Szmyhal. Zawarcie "umowy ramowej"...

www.money.pl

 

[nhmemorymaker]

How Russia successfully 'flipped' Donald Trump to form the 'Trumputin Pact'

Metro speaks to military and defence experts to find out how Vladimir Putin 'flipped' Donald Trump for Russia's rehabilitation in the West.

metro.co.uk

"Donald Trump has finally stopped pretending. After months, if not years, of flirtation with Vladimir Putin, the US is siding with Russia in its war with Ukraine.

At a time when Ukraine is fighting for survival, the US joined Russia, North Korea, Belarus and Israel to vote against a UN resolution to condemn the bloodshed in a double blow to both Europe and Ukraine."

More at the link.

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Regarding "the pretending"... yes, the true colors will become stronger. I do not think there is American interest in peace and independence for Ukraine. Its all about the minerals, that's all.

As the article attached, states:
‘[The US] is pursuing the long-standing Russian policy objectives of being forgiven for aggression, atrocities, and war crimes.’
There have been 1000s or articles and opinions regarding Trump's pension for lying. Nothing new there.
Clearly, this has also been Putin's standard reputation for decades as well.


i think many Americans mistook "isolationalism" for "expansionism". Other countries understood this much better than Americans, before he was elected.
Expansionism = power. No better way to keep working on that "long standing Russian policy" than to throw the Domestic US into chaos to work the master International plan.
Moo
I am not hopeful for Ukraine. Screwups in protecting Ukraine happened on the watch of at least 4 former US Presidents. However, I DO feel there are more and more eyes and countries watching Ukraine NOW.
Moo.

U.S. Deterrence Failed in Ukraine

Washington’s prewar efforts were weak and inadequate.

foreignpolicy.com

 

[Dotta]

"US-Ukraine Agreement. ​

The text of the document has been published.​

The text of the US-Ukraine bilateral agreement has been published online.

The Ukrainian prime minister announced on Wednesday
that the government in Kiev would accept its terms the same day.

Three key assumptions of the Reconstruction Fund agreement:

1. Financing the reconstruction of Ukraine
The Fund will be financed mainly from revenues from Ukrainian natural resources.
According to the agreement,
50 percent of revenues from the exploitation of oil, gas and minerals will go to the Fund's account,
and additional support will be provided by the American side.

2. Joint management and reinvestment of funds
The fund will be managed jointly by representatives of the governments of Ukraine and the United States.
The funds collected will be
reinvested at least once a year
in the reconstruction of infrastructure, improvement of security and development of the economy of Ukraine.

3. Control mechanisms and investment protection
The agreement provides for mechanisms to prevent abuse, corruption and evasion of sanctions.
The United States has committed to protect mutual investments and support Ukraine in obtaining international security guarantees."

Much more in the link (the full text):

Umowa USA-Ukraina. Opublikowano treść dokumentu

W sieci opublikowana została treść dwustronnej umowy USA-Ukraina. Premier Ukrainy zapowiedział w środę, że rząd w Kijowie zaakceptuje jej warunki jeszcze tego samego dnia.

wiadomosci.wp.pl