Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #13

[Simply Southern]

Political theatre.
In the midst of peace talks and negotiations, inappropriate.

Absolute no impact. Just a pretty piece of paper.

 

[Stella123]

Another reminder. Ukraine supported the Us in the Iraq war after 9/11. They sent 6000 troops.

"Ukraine's involvement in the Iraq War was the largest military operation ever performed by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Over 6,000 Ukrainians performed military service in Iraq and Kuwait during the war, including a permanent presence of 1,600, and 18 Ukrainians were killed."

Ukraine has been an Independent country since 1991. And they have been invaded by another country.

Ukrainian involvement in the Iraq War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[acutename]

What ever happened with this . It's kinda funny Putin and Trump have a relationship now jmoo

Putin ally calls for Alaska's return to Russia

Vladimir Solovyov called for the U.S. state's return to Russia after Russian military aircrafts recently entered international airspace close to Alaska.

www.newsweek.com

there you go
there is no end to this
let's just squish all the continents back together: Pangia
and we can resettle the Gazans between Russia and Ukraine- sorry if the climate is cold for them
AND China can become the 51st US state because that will negate all the tariffs
(sarcasm and I know this is a serious subject but it is too heavy to bear lately)

 

[PommyMommy]

Macron open to extending France's nuclear protection to European allies amid threat from Russia. During an address on March 5, French President Emmanuel Macron said he was open to extending France's nuclear umbrella to protect European allies.

"I have decided to start strategic discussions on the defense of the entire continent with our nuclear weapons. The decision will depend on the heads and commanders-in-chief of European countries," Macron said.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1897394965489295641

'Stop being Putin's ho' — US congresswoman lambasts Trump speech.

Trump "is out here really doing the bidding of Russia in a way we've never seen an American president do," Rep. Jasmine Crockett said in response to Trump's congressional address.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1897481460984025096

Ireland committed $108 mn in aid to Ukraine, focusing on non-lethal military support

“There is no doubt that this is a very, very serious development,” Irish Deputy PM said, expressing concerns about the US' recent pause in military aid

https://twitter.com/x/status/1897318186095157293

 

[PommyMommy]

Latvia donated 31 more cars confiscated from drunk drivers to aid Ukraine’s humanitarian and defense needs.The vehicles will be distributed across military, healthcare, and local administration sectors.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1897363068046467310

For the first time, Ukrainian military used a drone to deliver blood for an emergency battlefield transfusion to save a wounded soldier.

The Azov brigade deployed this unique technique when a soldier suffered a critical neck wound and evacuation was impossible due to Russian fire. "When every minute counts, we were forced to apply an unconventional solution," explained the head of the medical unit, call sign Dark.

Despite the evacuation vehicle coming under repeated Russian attacks, the soldier was eventually transported to a medical facility and is now recovering.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1897379153214652830

Macron: You cannot trust Russia’s words

He reminded that Russia violated all ceasefires since 2014

https://twitter.com/x/status/1897376788168454515

 

[branmuffin]

I respectfully disagree. President Trump is trying to bring peace and an end to the war. Yes, it's money, because every bomb that is lobbed back and forth, every piece of equipment used daily costs. What a waste of money. President Trump is not responsible if Zelensky, Putin and the whole rest of Europe, Africa, Brazil, UK et et can't agree. Also among those who have already tried to negotiate peace, the Pope, the head of UN, the head of Nato, the leaders of Eu and any other person or group of people are equally not responsible if WW3 starts. If you read about how many peace proposals have been brought to Zelensky and Putin, you would understand. I haven't counted them, because it's dizzying the back and forth. JMO MOO

The US cannot keep piping up about being the arbiter of peace throughout the world, promising all those countries, regardless of where they are in the world, that their presence is not only a protection for the US but also for their allies. What is the point of the US spending trillions of dollars on military bases throughout the world if when the rubber hits the road the US starts whining about how much money they are spending? What's the point? This is the first time in history since WW2 that the US is reneging on deals they've made with countries to cement their commitment to a foreign country to protect them for the malign influence of Russia. The military equipment sitting in NATO countries like Poland is there to protect NATO countries on the eastern flank. Poland isn't stupid enough to believe that Putin will stop at Ukraine. The world has come to realize that US help is transactional under Donald Trump. He couldn't give a **** about Ukraine if he doesn't get a piece of the pie. On a micro level he gives the impression he wouldn't help an old lady cross the street unless she paid him. On the macro level he's willing to let Putin take over Ukraine over a perceived slight. If commitment is that elastic under Trump why doesn't the US just pull up stakes? They can't be relied on anymore. The US can't be considered the leader of free world when there is a clear and present danger of Putin taking all of Ukraine and the only way he could that is with either Trump's help or his inaction.

The US government fiscal year runs October to September so all the funds allocated to Ukraine were already agreed upon at the beginning of the fiscal year. How is it that Trump can unilaterally decide he's not going to provide those funds?

 

[branmuffin]

He's looking at our National Parks! IMO

Yep, all his buddies will be drill, drill, drill, baby and cut the forests and mine all that coal, and whatever else is there to plunder. Teddy Roosevelt will be turning in his grave. I always remember the sheer entitlement of Bundy the rancher, who still grazes his cattle on BLM land and still hasn't paid for the right. So if Bundy can get away with that I can't even imagine just how decimated these national parks will be under Trump. He has no concept of anything other than how he benefits. His god is money.

 

[branmuffin]

That's a point. One way to end the war is if some secret mission could capture Putin - he is a wanted war criminal with an arrest out for him. Has no one considered that? A secret mission? JMO MOO

He needs to be exterminated like the cockroach he is. It would be poetic retribution for many countries who have felt the sting of Putin.

 

[Donswife48]

The US cannot keep piping up about being the arbiter of peace throughout the world, promising all those countries, regardless of where they are in the world, that their presence is not only a protection for the US but also for their allies. What is the point of the US spending trillions of dollars on military bases throughout the world if when the rubber hits the road the US starts whining about how much money they are spending? What's the point? This is the first time in history since WW2 that the US is reneging on deals they've made with countries to cement their commitment to a foreign country to protect them for the malign influence of Russia. The military equipment sitting in NATO countries like Poland is there to protect NATO countries on the eastern flank. Poland isn't stupid enough to believe that Putin will stop at Ukraine. The world has come to realize that US help is transactional under Donald Trump. He couldn't give a **** about Ukraine if he doesn't get a piece of the pie. On a micro level he gives the impression he wouldn't help an old lady cross the street unless she paid him. On the macro level he's willing to let Putin take over Ukraine over a perceived slight. If commitment is that elastic under Trump why doesn't the US just pull up stakes? They can't be relied on anymore. The US can't be considered the leader of free world when there is a clear and present danger of Putin taking all of Ukraine and the only way he could that is with either Trump's help or his inaction.

The US government fiscal year runs October to September so all the funds allocated to Ukraine were already agreed upon at the beginning of the fiscal year. How is it that Trump can unilaterally decide he's not going to provide those funds?

DBM

 

[Donswife48]

DBM

 

[Sundog]

What is #47 please?

President Trump is our 45th and 47th president.

 

[Donswife48]

In the time that peace negotiations were initiated back in 2022, how many Ukraine military and civilian lives were lost. How many Russian military and civilians. Don't they count too? While we can sit safely in our homes and discuss (and some spew hatred for President Trump), we are not directly involved. An old saying, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink is apropos. There have been many countries trying to negotiate peace, yet you choose to hate on the USA. So be it, I respect your opinion, but we are not in charge, Zelensky and Putin are in charge. I remember ten years of Vietnam, what a waste of lives to only end up giving up. JMO MOO

 

[Sundog]

The US cannot keep piping up about being the arbiter of peace throughout the world, promising all those countries, regardless of where they are in the world, that their presence is not only a protection for the US but also for their allies. What is the point of the US spending trillions of dollars on military bases throughout the world if when the rubber hits the road the US starts whining about how much money they are spending? What's the point? This is the first time in history since WW2 that the US is reneging on deals they've made with countries to cement their commitment to a foreign country to protect them for the malign influence of Russia. The military equipment sitting in NATO countries like Poland is there to protect NATO countries on the eastern flank. Poland isn't stupid enough to believe that Putin will stop at Ukraine. The world has come to realize that US help is transactional under Donald Trump. He couldn't give a **** about Ukraine if he doesn't get a piece of the pie. On a micro level he gives the impression he wouldn't help an old lady cross the street unless she paid him. On the macro level he's willing to let Putin take over Ukraine over a perceived slight. If commitment is that elastic under Trump why doesn't the US just pull up stakes? They can't be relied on anymore. The US can't be considered the leader of free world when there is a clear and present danger of Putin taking all of Ukraine and the only way he could that is with either Trump's help or his inaction.

The US government fiscal year runs October to September so all the funds allocated to Ukraine were already agreed upon at the beginning of the fiscal year. How is it that Trump can unilaterally decide he's not going to provide those funds?

As the saying goes, elections have consequences.

 

[Arkay]

In the time that peace negotiations were initiated back in 2022, how many Ukraine military and civilian lives were lost. How many Russian military and civilians. Don't they count too? While we can sit safely in our homes and discuss (and some spew hatred for President Trump), we are not directly involved. An old saying, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink is apropos. There have been many countries trying to negotiate peace, yet you choose to hate on the USA. So be it, I respect your opinion, but we are not in charge, Zelensky and Putin are in charge. I remember ten years of Vietnam, what a waste of lives to only end up giving up. JMO MOO

I agree that many, many Ukrainian lives have been lost; many civilian, as well as Russian.

It’s important IMO to be clear, though, as to how this came about. Vladimir Putin decided unilaterally that he wanted to conquer his neighboring country. No one has been able to get him to budge, because he rules the entire country and has for decades. The Iron Curtain became an Iron Fist.

Putin is the one who can end this war. Not Donald Trump. Not Zelenskyy, unless he and his countrymen decide to surrender their own nation and be absorbed into the Russian Federation.

I don’t hate the U.S.A. I adore my country. I was born in Manhattan and have lived here my entire life. How could I side with a country that kidnapped thousands and thousands of children and brought them across the border to be raised there without their parents?

For all the power that an American president has, Putin does not take orders from him. Trump can continue cozying up to him, or he can do what IMO is the right thing and continue sanctions on Russia to put pressure on Putin.

ONE man started this war and only that ONE man can end it. Putin has to say “it’s over” and remove his army from Ukraine.

Whispering sweet nothings into Putin’s ear will only embolden him to continue.

Did you see the Russian news in which all the Kremlin and Putin acolytes are ecstatic with glee? They can’t believe their luck——the American president took Putin’s side and instead ripped into the president of the victim nation, Ukraine.

IMO this is very telling. Russia is a dictatorship. Ukraine is a democracy. Whose side should we be on?

You mention Vietnam was a waste, and I agree. It was a travesty. But we do not have U.S. troops on the ground in Ukraine, so it’s an imperfect comparison.

JMO

 

[Stella123]

In the time that peace negotiations were initiated back in 2022, how many Ukraine military and civilian lives were lost. How many Russian military and civilians. Don't they count too? While we can sit safely in our homes and discuss (and some spew hatred for President Trump), we are not directly involved. An old saying, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink is apropos. There have been many countries trying to negotiate peace, yet you choose to hate on the USA. So be it, I respect your opinion, but we are not in charge, Zelensky and Putin are in charge. I remember ten years of Vietnam, what a waste of lives to only end up giving up. JMO MOO

I think the point has always been that the war cannot end unless Russia just goes home. Then there is no war. They have invaded. Ukraine are not "fighting a war" they are "defending their country" - ANY country would do that if they were invaded. They are trying to protect themselves (and yes, dying in the process). They are trying to protect their country from being taken over by a Dictator who will remove all trace of their culture and make it a Russian culture.

Yes they tried talks before, and it didn't work, for whatever reason. Probably because you can't negotiate with terrorists.

For this war to end there needs to be leverage against Putin - something to make him back off. I don't know what.

 

[Stella123]

"The US government fiscal year runs October to September so all the funds allocated to Ukraine were already agreed upon at the beginning of the fiscal year. How is it that Trump can unilaterally decide he's not going to provide those funds?"

He's done it but apparently it's illegal! I linked something about that earlier. I think it was a Democrat senator said it's probably illegal.

 

[Stella123]

Just to add it is not intended to be "hate against Trump". It is not personal. It's what he's doing that is disliked. Because he is making things a whole lot tougher for Ukraine now and more people are dying. It makes me think he just doesn't care. That his hatred of Zelensky (and it's historic if you read back - long before the press conference) is greater than any sense of right or wrong.

He hates Zelensky because Zelensky didn't side with him over Biden many years ago. JMO MOO

 

[Arkay]

He hates Zelensky because Zelensky didn't side with him over Biden many years ago. JMO MOO

EXACTLY. And that phone call in which Trump bombarded Zelenskyy about Hunter Biden led to Trump’s first impeachment.

I’ve said all along that I believe that’s one reason Trump has always had it in for Zelenskyy. The other is his profound admiration of Putin’s absolute rule. Putin never has to worry about election outcomes—-he’s always going to “win.”

JMO

 

[Vern]

Absolute no impact. Just a pretty piece of paper.

Hmmmm, and here I thought people wanted the war to end.

Apparently Ukraine, who is the victim and who has been attacked, needs to 'negotiate' away bits of their sovereign nation. Russia? Nyet. Nothing required from them - not even a "bring those Ukrainian kids home now".

IMO.

 

[branmuffin]

IMO #47 should just step away and let the diplomats who know how to diplomat take care of the peace talks with Russia and Ukraine. IMO

But, but, but he wants a Nobel Peach prize, doncha know? Got a funny way of going about it, huh?