Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #14

[nhmemorymaker]

Was it not NBC, CBS, ABC and CNN that assured the American people, President Biden had excellent mental acuity? They were part of the White House cover up.

Defining moment .... The presidential debate

Was it not CBS that doctored an interview for Kamala Harris?

I think a person has to be open-minded. I prefer not to live in a paradigm. I watch all the news outlets and trying to separate fact from fiction. It was pretty easy, I can see with my own eyes, the message was contradictory.

Moo

This is such an example of what folks outside of the US might not get.....

100% of everything is just so twisted.


CBS doctoring up an interview....???? Not so.... but who cares?

A 20 billion dollar lawsuit just because tRump wants to get all the media to report HIS way....
wasting so much time. It does not how much has to put into refuting the hypocrisy and waste... 1/2 of this country will never believe it.

Paramount files to dismiss Trump’s ‘baseless’ $20bn 60 Minutes suit

President is suing news show for airing edited interview of Kamala Harris in run-up to 2024 presidential election

www.theguardian.com

CBS Reveals Truth About ‘60 Minutes’ Harris Interview Trump Is Suing Over

CBS has released an unedited interview with Kamala Harris after Donald Trump and his followers melted down and claimed the network “doctored” its broadcasts to help the Democrat. The then-vice president’s interview with 60 Minutes was broadcast in October but caused confusion when an excerpt...

www.yahoo.com

The transcript confirms what CBS said: That it engaged in normal editing, not any nefarious activity like Trump alleged.

On Wednesday, 60 Minutes released the entire video of the interview and a transcript, saying that it proved that what it had aired was not “doctored or deceitful.”

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Yes, which is precisely why Biden was not run in 2024.

CBS interview was edited, as are they all. Just like Fox's interviews with Trump. Nothing to see here.

As always.... the Emperor wears no clothes.
Blame the other side for everything he does.

 

[Stella123]

If anyone is trying to follow Zelensky's X account - it is now very hard to find. It doesn't come up in the X search box. You have to use google to find Zelensky's X account MOO. Incidentally his name on Elon Musk's X is spelt with two y's - Zelenskyy. But even if you put that in the X search box, all that comes up are Trump accounts! MOO Thanks to @Snoopster for raising this.

Here it is

https://x.com/zelenskyyua

 

[Simply Southern]

In what bizarre upside down world does the elected president of a country not need to go? The elected leader should be present and participating in all negotiations, they are representing their country and people!

Trump, Putin, and Zelensky will give clear and concise directions to their negotiating teams. This is standard procedure for how negotiations work. The team well calmly, respectfully communicate what their leader is willing to accept or not accept. There's usually not any yelling.

Put all three in the room together, WWIII for sure. They would all be over talking each other and not listening. No that's not how negotiations work.

These are standard practices. They're used by governments, businesses, and most of all divorce attorneys. In a divorce, attorneys do most all of the negotiation. Rarely do the two being representative ever meet face to face.
Moo

 

[Betty P]

This statement is evidence of a misunderstanding. The "worlds press" means little to the average American. There is a HUGE population in the U.S. that simply no longer trusts, nor believes the "worlds press"...or even U.S. "mainstream media" for that matter. They are all seen as globalist entities, the U.S. mainstream media being a mere tool of the leftist democratic party.

It's a shame they feel that way, but its not surprising. Propaganda and sowing distrust in established institutions has long been a tool of authoritarian groups and leaders who overthrow governments. In the old days, invaders would quickly take control of local radio stations, newspapers and (depending on the time frame) tv stations. Controlling media and information is a critical step.

It's also why the Founders of the US made freedom of the press part of the First Amendment. It's our duty to hold high standards for news sources.

Well, I hope President Zelensky makes it out of Saudi Arabia alive. It sounds dangerous and he will not exactly be surrounded by friends.

Remembering Jamal Khashoggi. Saudi Arabia is merciless.

JMO

I hope he refuses to attend unless its a meeting that includes European allies and is in a place that is safe and trusted.

 

[Betty P]

If anyone is trying to follow Zelensky's X account - it is now very hard to find. It doesn't come up in the X search box. You have to use google to find Zelensky's X account MOO. Incidentally his name on X is spelt with two y's - Zelenskyy. But even if you put that in the X search box, all that comes up are Trump accounts! MOO Thanks to @Snoopster for raising this.

Here it is

https://x.com/zelenskyyua

Fortunately, I deleted my Twitter account a few months ago.

 

[sapphire blue]

Trump, Putin, and Zelensky will give clear and concise directions to their negotiating teams. This is standard procedure for how negotiations work. The team well calmly, respectfully communicate what their leader is willing to accept or not accept. There's usually not any yelling.

Put all three in the room together, WWIII for sure. They would all be over talking each other and not listening. No that's not how negotiations work.

These are standard practices. They're used by governments, businesses, and most of all divorce attorneys. In a divorce, attorneys do most all of the negotiation. Rarely do the two being representative ever meet face

Trump, Putin, and Zelensky will give clear and concise directions to their negotiating teams. This is standard procedure for how negotiations work. The team well calmly, respectfully communicate what their leader is willing to accept or not accept. There's usually not any yelling.

Put all three in the room together, WWIII for sure. They would all be over talking each other and not listening. No that's not how negotiations work.

These are standard practices. They're used by governments, businesses, and most of all divorce attorneys. In a divorce, attorneys do most all of the negotiation. Rarely do the two being representative ever meet face to face.
Moo

What a pity that trump and Vance couldn’t communicate respectfully with Zelensky

 

[Stella123]

I kept mine for now - to follow. I have one on Bluesky as well, but to honest, it is still a bit quiet I find. Also there are still some good people on there. MOO

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

What will it take for a former president to speak out against Trump?​

"
The presidents’ club has its own etiquette, however. The five men have gathered twice recently, first at the Washington national cathedral for Jimmy Carter’s state funeral, where Obama and Trump were seen conversing and even sharing a joke. Then they reunited at Trump’s inauguration, where Biden was forced to listen to his presidency being described as “a horrible betrayal”.

Since then all the ex-presidents have resisted the temptation to stage a significant intervention. Sabato believes that one factor is an awareness that Trump – and his vituperative supporters – would be sure to strike back, including at family members such as Hillary Clinton, a former first lady and secretary of state who ran against Trump in the 2016 election.

“Bill Clinton is close to 80 and he’s been attacked a lot in his lifetime,” Sabato said. “I’m not sure he wants any more of it and then there’s Hillary – he has to realise that Trump would go after her too. With Obama, the more I think about it, the more I believe that little friendly chat at Jimmy Carter’s funeral either was part of Obama’s plan or, once it happened, he decided to capitalise on it and keep his mouth shut so that he wouldn’t be the target again.”


Larry Sabato

What will it take for a former president to speak out against Trump?

The silence from former occupants of the Oval Office has been deafening as the incumbent cuts a destructive path

www.theguardian.com

Maybe they don’t speak out because they were complicit in creating this hornet’s nest of a mess.

 

[Deleted member 352484]

. I would watch the upcoming negotiations Ukraine has with the US and see if Zelensky is involved. At the very least I expect he will not be invited back to DC.

Called it!

Volodymyr Zelensky will not attend high-level talks between Ukrainian and US negotiators next week.

Mr Zelensky said that he would visit Saudi Arabia for talks with the Arabian kingdom’s crown prince on Monday but would not stay on for talks with representatives of the US government aimed at ending the war.

The Ukrainian delegation will include foreign minister Andriy Sybiha.

Ukraine-Russia war live: Zelensky will not attend talks with Americans at Saudi peace summit

Volodymyr Zelensky will not attend high-level talks between Ukrainian and US negotiators next week.

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[PommyMommy]

MAR 4, 2025

World order upended by Trump’s Ukraine military aid freeze, expert says​

The Kyiv Independent spoke with Timothy Ash, associate fellow at the Chatham House’s Russia and Eurasia Programme, who told us that what is unfolding right now amount to “teutonic shifts in alliances that I don’t think anyone could quite have imagined.”

MAR 5, 2025

Russia, China ‘salivating’ over Trump’s Ukraine peace plan​

The Kyiv Independent spoke to George Barros, Russia team lead at the Institute for the Study of War, who explains why America’s global adversaries will be “salivating” at what is currently unfolding on the global stage.

MAR 8, 2025

British MP: ‘Trump could be a Russian asset’​

Earlier this week, British lawmaker Graham Stuart raised the possibility that the president of the United States, Donald Trump, had been groomed by the Kremlin’s security services over a period of decades.

In a post on X, he said: “We have to consider the possibility that President Trump is a Russian asset. If so, Trump’s acquisition is the crowning achievement of Putin’s FSB career, and Europe is on its own.”

 

[Simply Southern]

Your comment about a person, reminds me of a line from the film "Horton hears a Who" - "a person's a person, no matter how small".

Zelensky may be a small person, living on a speck of a country (in the eyes of some Americans) but they are still people. From a democratic country. JMO

I am confused, please help me understand. I was talking about the US media.

I was not referring to Zelenskyy and have never said he was a small person. I respect the people of Ukraine. It breaks my heart that they're in the situation they are in. They're right up against Russia. Putin hates Ukrainians, per Zelensky he wants to annihilate them all.

I'm hoping and praying for peace. I'm against war no matter who's president. I grew up during the Vietnam war. I watch the updates every night with my parents. They had reporters embedded, recording active combat units. They reported how many died. I had family in Vietnam, maimed, a pow, and several died. All my friends had brothers, cousins on the battlefield, as well as I. People I knew were dying constantly. I lived right across from a National cemetery, I cried so much and often. They buried the dead, taps, and 21 one gun salutes, black hearse were frequent, in front of my home. I lived in constant fear, it was a horrible part of my childhood. I hate war. It destroys family, even those that return are emotionally and physically scarred for life, it robs their souls.

I only wish peace for Ukraine. Land, jewels, money it's not worth a human life. It's not worth what families, father, mothers, sisters and brothers suffer. They are never in the same.

Moo

 

[UK Girl]

Trump is not going. I was referring to Zelenskyy. He's going to visit with the Prince, but he's not a part of the negotiation team.

Negotiation teams have a special skill set. They remain calm, use decorum, respectful to all, they don't insult, have a clear understanding it's a give and take. They will collect information from all parties, return to their leaders, present information, discuss what is acceptable and unacceptable and go back to the negotiation table. Many times it is better to keep negotiations in private. Once the media learns of detail discussion, negotiations can quickly be derailed.

Highly emotional individuals are not necessarily good negotiators, although they are good at other things.
Moo

Yep I know and this is probably why Zelensky is so popular with all the leaders..except Putin and Trump I guess. There is no suggestion that Zelensky is highly emotional but we know that Trump is. He has shown this over and over and also ofc spectacularly live from the White house. Bad mistake

 

[PommyMommy]

MAR 8, 2025

Russia launches devastating attack on Ukraine after Trump’s defence of Putin

Latest attacks came hours after Donald Trump said Vladimir Putin was ‘doing what anybody would do’

www.theguardian.com

Russia launched a devastating attack on Ukraine on Saturday, killing at least 14 people and injuring dozens more, hours after Donald Trump defended Vladimir Putin and said the Kremlin leader was “doing what anybody would do”.

European leaders suggested the US president was complicit in the latest devastation.

The Polish prime minister, Donald Tusk, said there had been “another tragic night in Ukraine”, with “more bombs, more aggression and more victims”. Without mentioning Trump directly, he said: “This is what happens when someone appeases barbarians.”

So far, however, Trump has piled pressure on Ukraine while making no demands of Russia.

 

[Deleted member 352484]

What will it take for a former president to speak out against Trump?​

George W Bush doesn't make too many statements but he did say he condemned Putin's war in Iraq,

Clinton convinced Ukraine to give up ther nuclear weapons never thinking Russia would "pull this stunt". He now regrets it

Obama allowed Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea, saying that "there’s a lot of Russian speakers there, and there was some sympathy to the views that Russia was representing.”

<modsnip>

 

[keek]

What a pity that trump and Vance couldn’t communicate respectfully with Zelensky

Very opposite cut of cloth than Z, one either has it or they don't, that quality cut of cloth.

 

[Simply Southern]

Those people above are the civilians being slaughtered by Russia in the last couple of days because of Trump's actions. MOO

No,, respectfully. Zelensky what's told repeatedly for up to four weeks prior to the meeting ... If you don't work towards the peace agreement the US is out.

Trump left all communications up and running and supplies free flowing in to Ukraine. Four days later, Zelensky issued a statement it was going to be a long war. That was his signal he was not interested in a peace agreement. The US made a decision to no longer support the killing of Ukrainians and a war that will never end.

Without the halt from USA aid, there would not be a meeting next week. There would not be any efforts to bring peace to Ukraine. People are dying, Zelensky is responsible. Even after Oval office Friday, he just continued on to try to provoke Trump. He succeeded, at much loss to Ukraine.
Moo

 

[UK Girl]

No,, respectfully. Zelensky what's told repeatedly for up to four weeks prior to the meeting ... If you don't work towards the peace agreement the US is out.

Trump left all communications up and running and supplies free flowing in to Ukraine. Four days later, Zelensky issued a statement it was going to be a long war. That was his signal he was not interested in a peace agreement. The US made a decision to no longer support the killing of Ukrainians and a war that will never end.

Without the halt from USA aid, there would not be a meeting next week. There would not be any efforts to bring peace to Ukraine. People are dying, Zelensky is responsible. Even after Oval office Friday, he just continued on to try to provoke Trump. He succeeded, at much loss to Ukraine.
Moo

Zelensky is responsible?? seriously?? did he invade his own country and start slaughtering them? Think that was Putin tbh.

How did he try and provoke Trump?? by breathing??

Btw..he IS supporting the killing of Ukrainians because due to his choices...this has escalated.

 

[LovesPeace2]

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Trump team in ‘secret discussions’ to oust president

Two of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s key political rivals have confirmed contact with Donald Trump’s team.

Petro Poroshenko, Ukraine’s former president, acknowledged that his team has been working with US partners but insisted their efforts were “public and transparent” and focused on securing bipartisan support for Ukraine.

Yulia Tymoshenko, Ukraine’s former prime minister, also addressed the report, saying her Batkivshchyna party was “in talks with all our allies” to achieve a just peace

(both said there won't be an election until peace)

A Kyiv International Institute of Sociology poll in February found Zelensky’s approval at 63 per cent, far outpacing his political rivals.
A late-February survey by Survation showed just 10 per cent of Ukrainians would vote for Poroshenko, while Tymoshenko polled at 6 per cent.

It won't work poroshenko is a 2 faced traitor. Ukraini will not go against president Zelensky he is s well liked and loved. Tbh it won't matter whose president it doesn't change what Putin wants he wants Ukraini to and back he doesn't care about anything else. Jmvho

 

[Arkay]

Zelensky and the warhawks are stuck on confrontation, hence the continuing death and destruction.

Bringing this down to a micro level—-IMO this is equivalent to someone breaking into your house or my house, with a gun, killing some of my or your family members, kidnapping our children, and in trying to defend our home and family we shoot back.
Is that being “stuck on confrontation,” is it “continuing the death and destruction,” or is that just us caught off guard by murderers who snuck into where we live and us trying to save what’s left of our family and home?

It is a PLAIN FACT that Russian forces invaded Ukraine. What’s happened since then is merely defense of the Ukrainian’s homeland.

JMO but fact about which nation is the aggressor and which is the victim.