- Joined
- Nov 23, 2020
- Messages
- 3,631
- Reaction score
- 20,543
Absolute certainty, imo.
Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #14
- Thread starter margarita25
- Start date
- Status
- Joined
- Nov 23, 2020
- Messages
- 3,631
- Reaction score
- 20,543
I'm eager to hear the excuses that Trump & Co come up with when the inevitable happens and Russia either flat out refuses or renagues on the deal a few days/weeks down the line.
- Joined
- Jan 26, 2019
- Messages
- 10,881
- Reaction score
- 90,718
"Ukraine has agreed to accept a US proposal for an immediate 30-day ceasefire and to take steps toward restoring a durable peace after Russia’s invasion, according to a joint statement by US and Ukrainian delegations meeting in Jeddah."
Wonder what these "steps" Ukraine has agreed to are? Total capitulation on all the land Russia stole through invading a sovereign nation? Some type of Ukrainian disarmament on the "new" Russian-dictated borders? What about the stolen Ukrainian children? Will Russia be allowed to keep them too? Is that part of the "durable peace"...forget them, they're ours now or we don't have any child by that name answers?
AJMO
- Joined
- May 31, 2012
- Messages
- 4,890
- Reaction score
- 33,545
The United States will immediately lift the pause on intelligence sharing and resume security assistance to Ukraine, Ukraine's Presidential Office announced on March 11.
The statement follows the talks between Ukraine and the U.S. in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.
U.S. National Security Advisor Mike Waltz confirmed during a joint press conference that Washington will continue to provide military assistance to Ukraine under the so-called Presidential Drawdown Authority (PDA) program.
kyivindependent.com
The statement follows the talks between Ukraine and the U.S. in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.
U.S. National Security Advisor Mike Waltz confirmed during a joint press conference that Washington will continue to provide military assistance to Ukraine under the so-called Presidential Drawdown Authority (PDA) program.
US to 'immediately' resume security assistance, intelligence sharing to Ukraine
The statement follows the talks between Ukraine and the U.S. in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.
Good question. What does it mean by "security assistance"? - I took that as part of intelligence. It could be more specific.I disagree with your opinion on No. 1
What do you think it means when the United States says that “we will restore security assistance to Ukraine”
US-Ukraine peace talks a ‘work in progress’, says Zelenskyy’s most senior aide, as officials meet in Jeddah – Europe live
US and Ukraine officials meet in Jeddah to discuss peace following drone attack in Moscowwww.theguardian.com
That link is a bit more specificThe United States will immediately lift the pause on intelligence sharing and resume security assistance to Ukraine, Ukraine's Presidential Office announced on March 11.
The statement follows the talks between Ukraine and the U.S. in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.
U.S. National Security Advisor Mike Waltz confirmed during a joint press conference that Washington will continue to provide military assistance to Ukraine under the so-called Presidential Drawdown Authority (PDA) program.
US to 'immediately' resume security assistance, intelligence sharing to Ukraine
The statement follows the talks between Ukraine and the U.S. in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.
"U.S. National Security Advisor Mike Waltz confirmed during a joint press conference that Washington will continue to provide military assistance to Ukraine under the so-called Presidential Drawdown Authority (PDA) program."
It could still be more specific! "military assistance" could be anything and might still only be Intel and Satellite as opposed to money and weapons. MOO
What is PDA program exactly? I googled "PDA program US" and it came up with
"Pathological Demand Avoidance" and "Pervasive Drive for Autonomy"
It says above "Presidential Drawdown Authority" but what exactly does that mean? Access to funding? MOO
What is PDA program exactly? I googled "PDA program US" and it came up with
"Pathological Demand Avoidance" and "Pervasive Drive for Autonomy"
It says above "Presidential Drawdown Authority" but what exactly does that mean? Access to funding? MOO
- Joined
- May 31, 2012
- Messages
- 4,890
- Reaction score
- 33,545
DBM
Changed my mind.
Changed my mind.
- Joined
- Oct 31, 2008
- Messages
- 23,395
- Reaction score
- 170,693
It could still be more specific! "military assistance" could be anything and might still only be Intel and Satellite as opposed to money and weapons. MOO
What is PDA program exactly? I googled "PDA program US" and it came up with
"Pathological Demand Avoidance" and "Pervasive Drive for Autonomy"
It says above "Presidential Drawdown Authority" but what exactly does that mean? Access to funding? MOO
I'll wait until there's an agreement that includes the EU and UK. That one I'll believe. What a disgrace to have the US try to negotiate a peace agreement with the country that was responsible for helping the terrorists who attacked the US on 9-11. Ugh.
I hope Zelensky has been able to safely return to Ukraine.
- Joined
- Aug 13, 2013
- Messages
- 15,552
- Reaction score
- 165,103
Our position remains absolutely clear: Ukraine has been seeking peace from the very first second of this war, and we want to do everything to achieve it as soon as possible and in a reliable way—so that war does not return.At this meeting with the Americans, Ukraine proposed three key points:silence in the skies—stopping missile strikes, bombs, and long-range drone attacks; silence at sea; real confidence-building measures in this whole situation, in which diplomacy is ongoing, which primarily means the release of prisoners of war and detainees—both military and civilian—and the return of Ukrainian children who were forcibly transferred to Russia.The American side understands our arguments and considers our proposals. I am grateful to President Trump for the constructive conversation between our teams.
During today’s talks, the U.S. side proposed taking an even bigger first step—a 30-day full interim ceasefire, not only stopping missile, drone, and bomb attacks, not only in the Black Sea, but also along the entire front line.Ukraine is ready to accept this proposal—we see it as a positive step and are ready to take it. Now, it is up to the United States to convince Russia to do the same. If Russia agrees, the ceasefire will take effect immediately.
During today’s talks, the U.S. side proposed taking an even bigger first step—a 30-day full interim ceasefire, not only stopping missile, drone, and bomb attacks, not only in the Black Sea, but also along the entire front line.Ukraine is ready to accept this proposal—we see it as a positive step and are ready to take it. Now, it is up to the United States to convince Russia to do the same. If Russia agrees, the ceasefire will take effect immediately.
25m ago18.41 GMT
Zelenskyy says the Ukrainian delegation's proposal consisted of three issues: “silence in the sky” and at sea, as well as “real measures to establish trust”, including the release of prisoners. He says:
Ukraine is ready for peace. Russia must show its readiness to end the war or continue the war. It is time for the full truth.
'Ukraine is ready for peace': Zelenskyy accepts 30-day ceasefire proposal
Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy has issued a statement following a meeting between senior US and Ukrainian officials in Jeddah.Zelenskyy says the Ukrainian delegation's proposal consisted of three issues: “silence in the sky” and at sea, as well as “real measures to establish trust”, including the release of prisoners. He says:
Zelenskyy says the US proposed to establish a complete ceasefire for 30 days in the Black Sea and along the entire front line.
He says the US “must convince” Russia to agree to the proposal, noting that an “important element” of the meeting today was “America’s readiness to resume defence assistance to Ukraine”. Zelenskyy adds:
Ukraine is ready for peace. Russia must show its readiness to end the war or continue the war. It is time for the full truth.
I can't see Putin agreeing to the ceasefire somehow. If he does, it will simply be to build up strength and weapons and re-group IMO He can't be trusted. He will lie and say Ukraine broke the ceasefire and start attacking again JMO - even if does agree to it. MOO
He's already invaded a country with fabricated justification MOO Russia wouldn't even confirm or deny the US visit in a few days. MOO
He's already invaded a country with fabricated justification MOO Russia wouldn't even confirm or deny the US visit in a few days. MOO
- Joined
- Dec 20, 2019
- Messages
- 3,764
- Reaction score
- 63,589
If Zelenskyy is hopeful then I’m hopeful, but it still at this point strikes me as a fragile agreement.
When the presidents of Russia and the U.S. are both firecrackers who could explode at any time, as well as a non-American richest man in the world bellowing into Trump’s ear and who is also a firecracker that can suddenly go off, it’s hard to for me to trust.
The easiest and best way IMO would have been for America to insist on removing the bully from the playground, and then the little kid wouldn’t have been beaten up anymore.
But que sera. We will see. The little kid country and its president have actually been the strongest of all.
JMO
When the presidents of Russia and the U.S. are both firecrackers who could explode at any time, as well as a non-American richest man in the world bellowing into Trump’s ear and who is also a firecracker that can suddenly go off, it’s hard to for me to trust.
The easiest and best way IMO would have been for America to insist on removing the bully from the playground, and then the little kid wouldn’t have been beaten up anymore.
But que sera. We will see. The little kid country and its president have actually been the strongest of all.
JMO
- Joined
- Dec 28, 2021
- Messages
- 4,532
- Reaction score
- 13,966
If Poland are part of NATO then it's always been said you attack one member you attack them all, supposedly.I have my thoughts on how the Russians could have been stopped in their tracks, that moment passed long ago, Chamberlain tried peace in our time, see how that turned out, either accept Russian gains or widen the conflict, no one's prepared to step up to that mark, so it's jaw jaw and accept the Russian gains.
To be fair Ukraine does seem willing...but considering the promise made to them the whole thing sucks IMO
EU leaders welcome proposal for Ukraine ceasefire
European Council president António Costa and European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen have issued a joint statement welcoming the news from Jeddah on the US-Ukraine talks.“This is a positive development that can be a step towards a comprehensive, just and lasting peace for Ukraine,” they said.
“The ball is now in Russia’s court.
The EU is ready to play its full part, together with its partners, in the upcoming peace negotiations.
16m ago19.40 GMT
Starmer 'warmly' welcomes agreement, 'congratulates' Zelenskyy and Trump for 'remarkable breakthrough'
The UK prime minister Keir Starmer said he “warmly” welcomes the agreement between Ukrainian and US officials after talks in Saudi Arabia on Tuesday.A statement from Starmer reads:
H added that he will be convening virtual meeting of countries ready to support a ceasefire on Saturday “to discuss next steps”, adding:
We are ready to help bring an end to this war in a just and permanent way that allows Ukraine to enjoy its freedom.
Trump says he will speak to Putin and invite Zelenskyy back to the White House
US president Donald Trump said he hopes Russia will agree to a ceasefire plan drawn up by US and Ukrainian officials in Saudi Arabia.Trump, speaking to reporters on Tuesday, said he would invite Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelenskyy back to the White House.
He said he hopes the proposal can be solidified “over the next few days”, adding:
He said he will speak to Russian leader Vladimir Putin about the ceasefire proposal this week. “It takes two to tango, as they say.”
Trump has been reading my posts - it was me who said it takes two to tango (only joking!)
MOO
- Joined
- Aug 13, 2013
- Messages
- 15,552
- Reaction score
- 165,103
- Joined
- Dec 17, 2020
- Messages
- 443
- Reaction score
- 3,402
EU leaders welcome proposal for Ukraine ceasefire
European Council president António Costa and European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen have issued a joint statement welcoming the news from Jeddah on the US-Ukraine talks.
“This is a positive development that can be a step towards a comprehensive, just and lasting peace for Ukraine,” they said.
“The ball is now in Russia’s court.
The EU is ready to play its full part, together with its partners, in the upcoming peace negotiations.
16m ago19.40 GMT
Starmer 'warmly' welcomes agreement, 'congratulates' Zelenskyy and Trump for 'remarkable breakthrough'
The UK prime minister Keir Starmer said he “warmly” welcomes the agreement between Ukrainian and US officials after talks in Saudi Arabia on Tuesday.
A statement from Starmer reads:
H added that he will be convening virtual meeting of countries ready to support a ceasefire on Saturday “to discuss next steps”, adding:
We are ready to help bring an end to this war in a just and permanent way that allows Ukraine to enjoy its freedom.
Trump says he will speak to Putin and invite Zelenskyy back to the White House
US president Donald Trump said he hopes Russia will agree to a ceasefire plan drawn up by US and Ukrainian officials in Saudi Arabia.
Trump, speaking to reporters on Tuesday, said he would invite Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelenskyy back to the White House.
He said he hopes the proposal can be solidified “over the next few days”, adding:
He said he will speak to Russian leader Vladimir Putin about the ceasefire proposal this week. “It takes two to tango, as they say.”
Trump has been reading my posts - it was me who said it takes two to tango (only joking!)
Can Putin not come out of his hole or something? Is it that he doesn't want to look Zelenskyy in the eye? What's the deal?
- Status
Similar threads
Guardians Monthly Goal
Our goal for the month is 50 new Guardians members to sign up. Have you been thinking about becoming a member?
Click here to find out how!
Online statistics
- Members online
- 106
- Guests online
- 1,299
- Total visitors
- 1,405