Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #4

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  • #701
  • #702
It would seem his ''ladies'' and offspring are weak points for P. could that not be exploited somehow?

Fantasy- place huge silkscreen images of P and his dearly beloved, hang them from buildings and nuclear reactors- so that when his goons open fire, they will essentially be shooting up those people.
Teeny taste of his own medicine. speculation, imo fwiw.

BRILLIANT, dotr, brilliant!

And make sure photos of her as the "sexy flexible gymnast" are hung on the nuclear reactors.
 
  • #703
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On the Covid thread, someone remarked that there are fewer comments lately, and someone else said a lot of us are distracted by other events such as Ukraine.

Someone on this thread also alluded to the terrible, unhygienic conditions the Ukrainians are now enduring.

IMO some of these unfortunate refugees, packed tooth and nail onto the trains, will be Putin's collateral damage when inevitably someone or some thousand do contract Covid.

The immediate danger is so omnipresent that it has to be dealt with first, of course. It seems that no one is wearing a mask in their desperation to flee to safety, and I don't know how strong or common the vaccinations are in that part of the world. I realize wearing a mask, normally simple, would be arduous when you are packed in cheek to jowl and carrying babies and on the run, dodging missles.

But I am afraid for the elderly and anyone else who may contract Covid due to the terror raining down on them and consequent lack of Covid safety measures.

IMO any sickness or death that arises from any refugee contracting Covid will be on Putin's hands, as well.
 
  • #705
Russia-Ukraine war: Mariupol evacuation halted for second day; Vinnytsia regional airport completely destroyed – live | World news | The Guardian

1h ago 11:06

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A resident passing a house on fire after heavy shelling on the only escape route used by locals to leave the town of Irpin, while Russian troops advance towards the capital Photograph: Carlos Barría/Reuters

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An Ukrainian serviceman looks through binoculars towards the town of Stoyanka at a checkpoint before the last bridge on the road that connects Stoyanka with Kyiv Photograph: Aris Messinis/AFP/Getty Images

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Demonstrators hold placard and flags during a demonstration in support of Ukraine in Parliament Square, in London Photograph: Alberto Pezzali/AP

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A woman fleeing the Russian invasion of Ukraine warms her hands at a fireplace after crossing the border from Ukraine to Poland, at the border checkpoint in Medyka Photograph: Fabrizio Bensch/Reuters
 
  • #706
Russia-Ukraine war: Mariupol evacuation halted for second day; Vinnytsia regional airport completely destroyed – live | World news | The Guardian
32m ago 11:52

Ukrainians fleeing the town of Irpin just outside Kyiv were caught in shelling by Russian forces on Sunday and forced to dive for cover, Reuters witnesses said.

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Civilians evacuate during a Russian attacks on the city of Irpin, northwest of Kyiv. Photograph: Anadolu Agency/Getty Images

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Irpin residents scurried along pavements clutching children, luggage and pets as they made their way to waiting buses and cars that would take them further from the clashes.

Soldiers and fellow residents helped elderly men and women who were falling behind. Some people crouched down when explosions went off nearby, apparently from mortar rounds.

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A blast hit just a few metres away during a civilian evacuation in Irpin, Ukraine Photograph: Anadolu Agency/Getty Images

Reuters reporters said they did not witness casualties in the shelling, but several news outlets said that at least three people – a woman and two children – were killed.

The New York Times published a photograph of four members of a family – a mother, father and two children – lying on the ground in Irpin.

The caption said they were trying to flee when a mortar struck, and that the father, being tended to by Ukrainian soldiers in the image, was the only one still with a pulse.
 
  • #707
Regarding Odessa, I'm of the opinion Russia has probably had amphibious landing ships floating around near there for days. JMO

Yes, there reports from about a week ago where they had fired on a couple of cargo vessels, injurying some of the crew.

It wouldn't surprise me at all.
 
  • #708
Press conference by NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg following the Extraordinary meeting of NATO Ministers of Foreign Affairs

Natalia Drozdiak (Bloomberg): Thank you for the question. You mentioned the risk for Bosnia and Georgia. Are you seeing any concrete threat of invasion there? And what about Moldova, is there any increased risk in Moldova? Thank you.

NATO Secretary General: All these are different countries, and of course they face different types of risks and challenges. But they have in common that we have seen Russia trying to exercise their power to intimidate them partly by subversion and interference in the domestic political processes or by military invasion. Georgia has been invaded by Russia and Russian troops still in reality control parts of Georgia, Abkhazia and South Ossetia. In Moldova and Transnistria, which is part of Moldova, there are Russian troops without the consent of the government in Moldova. And then, in Bosnia-Herzegovina we see a very fragile, unstable situation with inflammatory rhetoric and serious challenges to the unity of that state. So even before the Russian invasion of Ukraine, these countries faced serious challenges partly inflicted by or caused by Russia, but the risk has increased. And therefore, we need to step up our support and we need a serious discussion, as NATO, on what we could do to strengthen them in the face of Russian threats.
 
  • #709
I wonder where SAM497 is heading to:

He's at 16,000 ft elevation, so not high enough to catch the long-haul flyway across the Atlantic.

He's headed north towards Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and maybe going to visit in Helsinki, Finland?

(Making careful note not to cross over little russian Kaliningrad on the way there.
 
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I'm actually not sure this are the same persons. On this picture it looks like there is also a child on the ground, but it could already have taken away before the other picture was made. Sorry....tears are coming seeing this. Stupid note...also the cat carrier standing there. Looking back I think this is a picture of the same family from a different angle. RIP

It looks like the same family. I wish I hadn’t seen the pet carrier. What will happen to all the pets? So many fleeing are trying to take their pets with them. God bless them.
 
  • #712
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Once rules of war are put aside, anything is possible

There's a well-known story about a young Vladimir Putin, published shortly after he first became President of Russia.

In a selection of essays about Mr Putin’s life and rise to power, he recounted a story of his youth growing up in what was then Leningrad, and is now St Petersburg.

The new president told of the large number of rats living in the corridors and stairwell of his apartment building and how he and his friends made a game of chasing them.

One day the young Putin pursued a particularly large rodent into a corner.

Initially thinking he had the upper hand, Putin was shocked and surprised when the rat, cornered and with no way out, flung itself at him.

The power balance had changed instantly and unexpectedly, and perhaps had taught the young Putin a lesson about the risks that become worthwhile when you have no other option.

It’s a tale which has been retold a lot in recent times, for obvious reasons. As this war progresses in a way he had not anticipated, and Putin feels he is the one who is cornered, what might he do?

As the West tries to figure out President Putin’s next move, the avenues open to him seem to be diminishing.

(...)

Even in a country which has seen intense repression on a free press, recent developments are shocking, leading some analysts to categorise Russia as now having officially moved from an authoritarian state to a dictatorial state.

(...)

There is also reason to believe that some of the criticism and ridicule Mr Putin has faced in the West is having an effect.

This weekend he appeared at an event with the female staff of Aeroflot to mark International Women’s Day. Gone was the extreme social distancing which was seen the week before as he met his own generals.

Despite online speculation about whether there might have been a doctoring of the pictures of Mr Putin’s presence at the Aeroflot event, one thing is clear.

He was obviously stung by the discussion in the West about whether he had become paranoid and aloof during the pandemic, typified by a ridiculously long table to meet world leaders and his own military leaders.

(...)

This week Andrey Kortunov, Director General of the Russian International Affairs Council, told the BBC’s World At One radio programme that the invasion was a major tragedy and that he found it "very difficult to consider any benefits that Russia can possibly get out of this operation...and...I think that the side effects are likely to be much more serious than any possible gains".

Mr Kortunov is not a Putin critic. He has worked with the president and knows his thinking.

Mr Kortunov says Mr Putin "will need something to declare victory" and believes some kind of third party mediation might find a resolution, suggesting former German Chancellor Angela Merkel as an individual who has dealt with Mr Putin before.

(...)

And saving face is crucial. The one certainty for Vladimir Putin is that defeat in Ukraine would mean the end for his leadership.

For someone who has, for two decades now, cultivated ways to stay in power, that is not an option he will contemplate.

(...)

If Mr Putin began this war to restore the greatness of the former Soviet Union, the last fortnight has done the opposite, exposing instead the weaknesses of his armed forces to international surprise and ridicule.

But it is at this very point that Mr Putin’s next move might become the most drastic, and those lessons learned in the stairwells of his Leningrad apartment block may return.

The use of chemical weapons on the residents of Aleppo is a bleak reminder that once the rules of war have been put aside, anything is possible.

(...)
 
  • #714
It looks like the same family. I wish I hadn’t seen the pet carrier. What will happen to all the pets? So many fleeing are trying to take their pets with them. God bless them.

I believe it's the same family. I didn't see two small children or the cat carrier in the first photo because the fellow giving aid to the apparent father was blocking that view.

May God rest their precious souls. And give strength to the soldiers.
 
  • #715
I wonder where SAM497 is heading to:

He's at 16,000 ft elevation, so not high enough to catch the long-haul flyway across the Atlantic.

He's headed north towards Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and maybe going to visit in Helsinki, Finland?

(Making careful note not to cross over little russian Kaliningrad on the way there.

SAM497 making a turn to the northwest towards Vilnius, Lithuania. !!!
 
  • #716
Oh I definitely wasn’t, I know you would know the situation already!! Think it was @Sundog that had asked about it so I’ve probably quoted the wrong person.

It’s pissed me right off though! Shut up, France… people in glass houses and all that!

I hear you!. Macron will take any and every opportunity to score points over the UK,even if it means babies drowning in the channel so he can crow about it later, petulant little man. We left,get over it!.
 
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  • #718
Once rules of war are put aside, anything is possible

There's a well-known story about a young Vladimir Putin, published shortly after he first became President of Russia.

In a selection of essays about Mr Putin’s life and rise to power, he recounted a story of his youth growing up in what was then Leningrad, and is now St Petersburg.

The new president told of the large number of rats living in the corridors and stairwell of his apartment building and how he and his friends made a game of chasing them.

One day the young Putin pursued a particularly large rodent into a corner.

Initially thinking he had the upper hand, Putin was shocked and surprised when the rat, cornered and with no way out, flung itself at him.

The power balance had changed instantly and unexpectedly, and perhaps had taught the young Putin a lesson about the risks that become worthwhile when you have no other option.

It’s a tale which has been retold a lot in recent times, for obvious reasons. As this war progresses in a way he had not anticipated, and Putin feels he is the one who is cornered, what might he do?

As the West tries to figure out President Putin’s next move, the avenues open to him seem to be diminishing.

(...)

Even in a country which has seen intense repression on a free press, recent developments are shocking, leading some analysts to categorise Russia as now having officially moved from an authoritarian state to a dictatorial state.

(...)

There is also reason to believe that some of the criticism and ridicule Mr Putin has faced in the West is having an effect.

This weekend he appeared at an event with the female staff of Aeroflot to mark International Women’s Day. Gone was the extreme social distancing which was seen the week before as he met his own generals.

Despite online speculation about whether there might have been a doctoring of the pictures of Mr Putin’s presence at the Aeroflot event, one thing is clear.

He was obviously stung by the discussion in the West about whether he had become paranoid and aloof during the pandemic, typified by a ridiculously long table to meet world leaders and his own military leaders.

(...)

This week Andrey Kortunov, Director General of the Russian International Affairs Council, told the BBC’s World At One radio programme that the invasion was a major tragedy and that he found it "very difficult to consider any benefits that Russia can possibly get out of this operation...and...I think that the side effects are likely to be much more serious than any possible gains".

Mr Kortunov is not a Putin critic. He has worked with the president and knows his thinking.

Mr Kortunov says Mr Putin "will need something to declare victory" and believes some kind of third party mediation might find a resolution, suggesting former German Chancellor Angela Merkel as an individual who has dealt with Mr Putin before.

(...)

And saving face is crucial. The one certainty for Vladimir Putin is that defeat in Ukraine would mean the end for his leadership.

For someone who has, for two decades now, cultivated ways to stay in power, that is not an option he will contemplate.

(...)

If Mr Putin began this war to restore the greatness of the former Soviet Union, the last fortnight has done the opposite, exposing instead the weaknesses of his armed forces to international surprise and ridicule.

But it is at this very point that Mr Putin’s next move might become the most drastic, and those lessons learned in the stairwells of his Leningrad apartment block may return.

The use of chemical weapons on the residents of Aleppo is a bleak reminder that once the rules of war have been put aside, anything is possible.

(...)

from this article -

Mr Kortunov says Mr Putin "will need something to declare victory" and believes some kind of third party mediation might find a resolution, suggesting former German Chancellor Angela Merkel as an individual who has dealt with Mr Putin before.
 
  • #719
Extra EU troops in Bosnia to prevent spillover from Russian aggression vs. Ukraine

All four companies of the reserve forces from Austria, Bulgaria, Romania and Slovakia will arrive at the European Union Force (EUFOR) base outside Sarajevo to reinforce its 600-strong contingent already stationed in the country. The new deployments will total 500 troops.

EUFOR announced the deployment of additional forces a day after Russian president Vladimir Putin launched his invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24.

The force described the step as a precautionary measure to prevent the deterioration of the security situation internationally from spreading to Bosnia.
 
  • #720
From history.com:

In the decades after it was established, the Russian-dominated Soviet Union grew into one of the world’s most powerful and influential states and eventually encompassed 15 republics—Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, Belorussia, Uzbekistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia. In 1991, the Soviet Union was dissolved following the collapse of its communist government

I've read several books about Putin, prior to the current catastrophe. All the biographers state that his dream/goal/plan has always been to reunite the former U.S.S.R. He wants this to be his legacy.

I do believe that's what Putin wants to accomplish. He's 69 years old and maybe he feels time is running short for this so-called "glorious reunion." It's apparently the one thing he wants that he doesn't yet have.

I fear, like many of us, that Ukraine is step one in a multi-tiered plan. Belorussia is already pro-Russia. Perhaps these others nations, seeing what Ukraine is enduring, may not be able to resist capitulating. A leader like Zelenskyy, who single-handedly changed the course of history already among the EU, is not likely in every other country. IMO he's a rare breed.

Speaking selfishly, I had three of my grandparents that were born in "the old country." I now have three grandchildren. It was my own dream to take them to visit where my grandparents were born and from which they fled for safety, since as Jews they were made to suffer. In my grandparents' days, it was still the Russian Empire under Czar Nicholas II. Some of my family who didn't leave were eventually killed by the Nazis, and it was important to me to visit the lands of their birth.

One was from Odessa. One from Belarus. One from Poland. For all of my youth the Soviet Union was in power, so no going to Odessa and Belarus.

And, I fear, with Putin I'll never get to take them.

My own little problem and certainly nothing in the face of what the Ukrainians are enduring. I do indeed agree with those who think Putin will forge ahead to recapture the former constituent states, though. Or try to.


God help those people.
 
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