Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #5

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  • #841
I saw this pic the other day .... a Ukrainian man moving a land mine off a road and putting it out in the forest.

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'Southern Ukraine. You can be cool, but you'll never be ''I found this land mine on the road and decided to bring it to the nearby forest'' cool.'
'Just a man, cigarette in mouth, removing a landmine from under a bridge in Berdyansk, Ukraine. Unreal.'
'Only a Ukrainian would pick up a land mine in jeans and a jacket with a cigarette in his mouth and calmly walk it away from the bridge.'
Symbol of Ukraine's toughness: Man disposes of anti-tank mine while smoking

Completely bad azz. They’re an impressive people.
 
  • #842
Op jacht naar 'n vliegticket, Russen zoeken uitweg voor dienstplichtige zoons

Hunting for a plane ticket, Russians find way out for conscript sons

Kirill (18) from Moscow has taken a plane to Yerevan. He has not yet been drafted into the Russian army, but feared that he would be deployed in the war in Ukraine in the foreseeable future. He hopes to avoid that in the Armenian capital.

The situation in Russia has also changed dramatically in a short period of time. More and more independent news sources are out of reach and the police are cracking down on expressions of dissatisfaction with the invasion of Ukraine. It is a reason for many Russian mothers to send their sons out of the country. Away from the war, away from a possible call to fight in Ukraine.

The ticket to Yerevan cost many times the price of two weeks ago, but it is more than worth it for people who can afford it. "We sent him away to get rid of that agonizing insecurity," Kirill's mother says. "That gives at least a little more peace in the current difficult situation."

Hast

Uncertainty about what tomorrow will look like in Russia is heightened by the unprecedented harsh economic sanctions that have been announced against Russia. A growing number of companies are turning their backs on the country.

Citizens are also in a hurry to leave. That haste is growing due to persistent rumors that President Putin will declare martial law, closing the borders.

Fear of military mobilization is not the only reason why young Russians want to leave the country. The rapidly deteriorating economy also plays a role. Russians are also afraid of being arrested now that the Russian government is doing everything it can to suppress expressions of dissatisfaction.

Reports are circulating on the internet of mainly young Russians, who are picked from the queue at airports for a conversation with members of the security service. They then look for indications (eg in mobile phones) of involvement in opposition activities.

President Putin has repeatedly said that only professional military personnel are deployed in Ukraine and not conscripts. According to him, a general mobilization is not necessary.

"I don't take him at his word," says Nadia. She points out that Putin also previously said that Russia would not invade Ukraine.

The Russian Defense Ministry has now announced that conscripts are still fighting in Ukraine. It did so after a number of soldiers from supply units were captured by the Ukrainian army.

There was video a few days back of armoured men stopping young people on the streets of Moscow demanding to look at their phones.
Good ol'KGB is at it again but wait now they're called the FSB...or the SVR...all the same secret police.
 
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I believe it will end when Ukraine is wasteland. At this point having Ukraine promise not to become a member of NATO or the EU might be the only way out other than assassination.
So many places, too many already look like wasteland...and he's not satisfied, not done with the murder. I was just reading about Hitler yesterday. I didn't realize there were, from 1932-1944, 42 assassination attempts on Hitler. Nowadays security is so much more elaborate. I wonder how many attempts Putin has survived?
 
  • #845
Or the other way round - the US was the first to amass nuclear weapons, and the first to use atomic bombs (Hiroshima & Nagasaki). See Oppenheimer.

The difference is we are a democracy. And we know what nukes do now. I don’t see the US or any western democratic nation using them now.
 
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Posted 1 year ago



Eta: If this happens, I prefer to be killed in an initial blast.



Eta2: You can stock up on all the toilet paper you want - not gonna help ya.
 
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Geez how can you blame him? He’s desperate to save his country. And we’ve already done things (Swift) that could cross the line for Putin.

His country is being sacrificed for the chance to protect the west. And I don’t blame us either.

Ugh. Such helplessness. Everywhere.

I am not blaming him for anything, and I understand he is desperate--
He is showing immense courage, but he has expressed
dissapointment that the West isnt doing more and specifically
he has repeatedly requested the United States set up a no fly zone--
which in the opinion of many experts could trigger WW3 and
should not even be considered--- I dont know what more
the United States can or should do at this point---
 
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'We are not co-operating': Life in occupied Ukraine

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When the invading forces took control of Melitopol a week ago they ransacked the mayor's offices, Federov said, exiling his team to another location where they are attempting to continue running their city.

"We are not co-operating with the Russians in any way," Federov said emphatically. "They have not tried to help us, they cannot help us, and we do not want their help."

The Russian president, Vladimir Putin, has claimed he is liberating historically Russian lands and speakers from a Nazi regime. But in Melitopol and a string of other mainly-Russian speaking southern and eastern cities, his forces have found themselves treated as occupiers.

"There are protests in Melitopol every day," said Yuliya Kovaliova, 33, who before the invasion helped run her family business of electronics stores.

"At some point the Russian army started shooting at us and one man got shot but we have not stopped protesting," Kovaliova said. "We are not afraid to protest because we are together. We are afraid to walk alone at night, but we are not afraid to protest."

About 5,000 people gathered in Melitopol's central square on Tuesday, Federov reckoned, despite the shooting last week, which wounded a man in the leg. Videos have surfaced showing protests in occupied and part-occupied cities and towns across the region - Kherson, Berdyansk, Starobilsk, Novopskov. The BBC reached residents and local mayors to try to understand the situation inside.

"I don't know how to count the number of people protesting, I thought it was 2,000 at least," said Yunona, a 29-year-old IT worker in the southern city of Kherson. "One of our friends was beaten and taken by the Russian soldiers and people got so angry they chased the occupiers down the street and took him back."

The Russian troops in Kherson looked young and uncertain, said Olha, a 63-year-old English teacher. "We go to the protests every day and they are close to us but they look afraid," she said. "We are all just waiting for the Ukrainian army to kick them out."

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Vadym Gaev, the mayor of Novopskov, a town near Donbas, told the BBC there had been daily protests but they had stopped three days ago when Russian soldiers shot three protestors - non-fatally - and beat another. Gaev said the Russian troops told an intermediary they had authorisation to shoot protesters, so there should be no more protests.

Novopskov appeared to be an example of a strange and uneasy scenario playing out in some parts of Ukraine, where local Ukrainian officials were continuing to function in some form but Russian military forces were in control. In the occupied city of Starobilsk, nearby, mayor Yana Litvinova was also working remotely, she said.

"A new 'administration' has been appointed. The only thing we know is that it is going around government buildings and asking people to co-operate, and they are refusing."

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Most residents who spoke to the BBC from the occupied cities said food was fast running out.

"Shops are almost empty. You can buy the things that are left but very few things are left," said Yuliya Kovaliova, the electronics shop owner from Melitopol. "Pharmacies are empty and my mother can't buy her heart medicine."

Kovaliova said that two Russian trucks with humanitarian markings came into the city centre last week and attempted to hand out food, but they also brought a film crew. Nearly everyone refused, she said.

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U.S. dismisses Russian claims of biowarfare labs in Ukraine

Zakharova said the documents unearthed by Russian forces in Ukraine showed "an emergency attempt to erase evidence of military biological programmes" financed by the Pentagon. She provided no further details on the documents.

Reuters was unable to independently confirm her information.

A former U.S. official, who is familiar with the cooperation between Kyiv and Washington, said the United States had helped to convert several Ukrainian laboratories that had been involved in the former Soviet Union's biological weapons program into public health facilities.
 
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UK freezes assets of seven Russian oligarchs including Roman Abramovich

Britain said on Thursday it had imposed asset freezes on seven Russian businessmen including Roman Abramovich, Igor Sechin, Oleg Deripaska, Andrey Kostin, Alexei Miller, Nikolai Tokarev and Dmitri Lebedev after they were added to the country’s sanctions list.

The prime minister, Boris Johnson, said: “There can be no safe havens for those who have supported Putin’s vicious assault on Ukraine.

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U.S. dismisses Russian claims of biowarfare labs in Ukraine

Zakharova said the documents unearthed by Russian forces in Ukraine showed "an emergency attempt to erase evidence of military biological programmes" financed by the Pentagon. She provided no further details on the documents.

Reuters was unable to independently confirm her information.

A former U.S. official, who is familiar with the cooperation between Kyiv and Washington, said the United States had helped to convert several Ukrainian laboratories that had been involved in the former Soviet Union's biological weapons program into public health facilities.

Roman Abramovich and Oleg Deripaska hit with UK sanctions | Daily Mail Online
 
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Opinion | Putin Has No Good Way Out, and That Really Scares Me

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In the coming weeks it will become more and more obvious that our biggest problem with Putin in Ukraine is that he will refuse to lose early and small, and the only other outcome is that he will lose big and late. But because this is solely his war and he cannot admit defeat, he could keep doubling down in Ukraine until … until he contemplates using a nuclear weapon.

Why do I say that defeat in Ukraine is Putin’s only option, that only the timing and size are in question? Because the easy, low-cost invasion he envisioned and the welcome party from Ukrainians he imagined were total fantasies — and everything flows from that.

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When you get that many things wrong as a leader, your best option is to lose early and small. In Putin’s case that would mean withdrawing his forces from Ukraine immediately; offering a face-saving lie to justify his “special military operation,” like claiming it successfully protected Russians living in Ukraine; and promising to help Russians’ brethren rebuild. But the inescapable humiliation would surely be intolerable for this man obsessed with restoring the dignity and unity of what he sees as the Russian motherland.

Incidentally, the way things are going on the ground in Ukraine right now, it is not out of the realm of possibility that Putin could actually lose early and big. I would not bet on it, but with every passing day that more and more Russian soldiers are killed in Ukraine, who knows what happens to the fighting spirit of the conscripts in the Russian Army being asked to fight a deadly urban war against fellow Slavs for a cause that was never really explained to them.

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So either he cuts his losses now and eats crow — and hopefully for him escapes enough sanctions to revive the Russian economy and hold onto power — or faces a forever war against Ukraine and much of the world, which will slowly sap Russia’s strength and collapse its infrastructure.

As he seems hellbent on the latter, I am terrified. Because there is only one thing worse than a strong Russia under Putin — and that’s a weak, humiliated, disorderly Russia that could fracture or be in a prolonged internal leadership turmoil, with different factions wrestling for power and with all of those nuclear warheads, cybercriminals and oil and gas wells lying around.

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Posted 1 year ago



Eta: If this happens, I prefer to be killed in an initial blast.



Eta2: You can stock up on all the toilet paper you want - not gonna help ya.

This should be madatory viewing.
 
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@MarquardtA

Mariupol officials say Russian forces have begun dropping bombs on the "green corridor" designated to evacuate Mariupol residents.

Again! Why bother even agreeing these “safe” corridors if he’s going to bomb them?! The man is completely deranged.
 
  • #858
Ukraine invasion: False claims the war is a hoax go viral

One example from the article:

A video of a young woman and a young man having fake blood applied to their faces has racked up millions of views on multiple platforms.

It is shared as supposed evidence that the war in Ukraine is a hoax and civilian victims are actually "crisis actors" - people hired to act out scenes from an attack.



But the video is unrelated to the war. It was shot in 2020 on the production set of Ukrainian TV series Contamin.

The male actor can be seen in behind-the-scenes images from the set tweeted in December 2020.
 
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Rusland zet Shell op lijst met bedrijven om eigendommen van te kunnen nationaliseren

MOSCOW (ANP - General Dutch Press bureau) — Russia has drawn up a list of Western companies that could be nationalized. That list of 59 names includes oil and gas group Shell, car manufacturers Volkswagen and Toyota and furniture store Ikea, Russian news agency Izvestia reports.

The reason for this is that the companies withdrew from the country because of the war in Ukraine, according to the Kremlin without giving guarantees to consumers.

The list could be expanded to include more companies, said Oleg Pavlov of the Public Consumer Initiative, which compiled the list. It has already been sent to the government. But if more companies stop doing business in the country and leave Russian consumers without guarantees, they will also be on the list, according to Pavlov.

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Earlier, the government in Moscow passed a bill to put under receivership companies that were more than 25 percent owned by foreigners from so-called "unfriendly nations". Companies can avoid that receivership by resuming operations or selling their shares within five days of announcement, United Russia, President Vladimir Putin's party, previously said. Then the activities and employees must be retained.

If this does not happen, a temporary board is appointed for three months by a judge and the company assets and activities are transferred to a new company. At the end of those three months, the shares in the new organizations are then auctioned. A similar arrangement could apply to the companies on this list.

As expected, Russia lashed back. I'm curious how this is going to be played out by all parties.
 
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