Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #5

[Arkay]

There is a saying here :
[All is fair in love and war]

There's another saying used by the military, "the fog of war." IMO some of the incorrect info is not meant as disinformation but is instead due to this well-known "fog of war." It is this type of confusion that leads to friendly fire, as well. In a hasty deluge of information during a time of crisis, and media trying to get a scoop first, some things are confused but will get clarified.

Apparently, the prevailing winds run west to east in Europe. So radiation from, eg, Chernobyl, if it did indeed drift for hundreds of miles, would drift over Russia rather than Europe.

"Russia needs to keep in mind that the prevailing winds are towards Russia,” Ukraine nuclear power plant attack: scientists assess the risks

I fully expect Putin to try to bomb the wind if it blows toward him. It would be in character.

JMO

 

[Legally Bland]

Apparently, the prevailing winds run west to east in Europe. So radiation from, eg, Chernobyl, if it did indeed drift for hundreds of miles, would drift over Russia rather than Europe.

"Russia needs to keep in mind that the prevailing winds are towards Russia,” Ukraine nuclear power plant attack: scientists assess the risks

Yeah, Belarus (to the North East) was the worst hit from Chernobyl fallout.

In secretive Belarus, Chernobyl's impact is breathtakingly grim

 

[LaborDayRN]

From link..
''Putin held the meeting to discuss changes to the law which will allow Russians to adopt Ukrainian orphans, after his forces killed their parents.

The changes will mean children from Donetsk and Luhansk who do not have Russian citizenship will qualify for adoption.

Putin said in the meeting: 'These are extraordinary circumstances and it seems to me that we need to think not about bureaucratic delays, but about the interests of children. ''

Could this be an emotional ''commodity'' Putin grab?
Adoption Costs, Adoption Fees, Adoption Fees Ukraine | Our Fees - Adoption in Ukraine
''Actually US citizens CAN'T adopt Caucasian healthy infants anywhere in the world or it will take at least 5-8 years and cost tons of dollars. Ukraine does not have healthy children under 5 y.o. and under our laws adoption of children under 5 y.o. is forbidden. There is no alternative to surrogacy nowadays as adoption of european babies is forbidden in all countries and India banned surrogacy for foreigners in 2015.''

''Compare Surrogacy Total Cost
In the US 110-140 thousands total
100%
In Ukraine 33-42 thousands total
35%''

The audacity of this statement! What a horrid, evil man!

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Two weeks… I feel utterly sickened today

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60683269

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

I know why we need a ceasefire for people to leave Ukraine. What I don’t currently understand is why Russia actually agreed to it?

 

[CSIDreamer]

I know why we need a ceasefire for people to leave Ukraine. What I don’t currently understand is why Russia actually agreed to it?

Maybe Putin knows he has pushed too far? Jmo

He can say look we allowed evacuations, aren't we neighborly?

 

[CSIDreamer]

https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1501663474618880003?t=x469LX_OFjA5jAXafC-9yA&s=19

20.35 EET Zaporizhzhia Oblast

An evacuation column (12 buses and 100 cars) from the cities of Energodar, Dniprudne and Vasylivka arrived in Zaporizhzhia accompanied by the operational car of the State Emergency Service of Ukraine.

Ukraine NOW [English] https://t.co/yPSXQXTQW0

 

[dotr]

The audacity of this statement! What a horrid, evil man!

So odd that he bombed children's hospitals and approved the adoption of orphaned Ukrainian babies, considering how (allegedly) fond he is of children...imo, speculation.

Mr Putin described the boy as "very sweet"
BBC NEWS | Europe | Putin recalls kissing boy's belly
2006
Ex-KGB spy Alexander Litvinenko was killed for calling Putin a pedophile: U.K report - National | Globalnews.ca

Sirens in Ukraine's capital as civilians try to flee cities under siege | CP24.com
March 9, 2022 4:29PM EST
''MARIUPOL, Ukraine (AP) - A Russian airstrike devastated a maternity hospital Wednesday in the besieged port city of Mariupol amid growing warnings from the West that Moscow's invasion is about to take a more brutal and indiscriminate turn. Ukrainian officials said at least 17 people were wounded in the attack.

The ground shook more than a mile away when the Mariupol complex was hit by a series of blasts that blew out windows and ripped away much of the front of one building. Police and soldiers rushed to scene to evacuate victims, carrying out a heavily pregnant and bleeding woman on a stretcher.

Another woman wailed as she clutched her child. In the courtyard, mangled cars burned, and a blast crater extended at least two stories deep.
Today Russia committed a huge crime,” said Volodymir Nikulin, a top regional police official, standing in the ruins. “It is a war crime without any justification.”

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Companies that have withdrawn, stopped Russian imports or temporarily suspended ties include:

• Adidas
• Apple
• Arc
• Adidas
• Airbnb
• Apple
• Arc
• Asos
• Asda
• BMW
• Boohoo
• BP
• British Gas
• Burberry
• Chanel
• Compare the Market
• Co-op
• Currys
• Dell
• Deloitte
• Disney
• EY
• FA and Fifa
• Fortnum & Mason
• Harrods
• Hermes
• H&M
• HSBC
• Ikea
• Inditex
• JD Sports
• John Lewis
• KPMG
• LMVH
• Mango
• Marks & Spencer
• Mastercard
• McDonald's
• Microsoft
• Netflix
• Next
• Nightcap Group
• Nike

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Cont’d

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/western-companies-still-operating-russia-26426115

• Nokia
• Papa John's (announced today)
• Paypal
• PwC
• Samsung
• Shell
• Sony
• Sainsbury's
• Sports Direct
• Starbucks
• Uber
• Unilever
• Visa
• Volvo
• Warner
• Wetherspoon
• Yoox Net-a-Porter
• Zara

 

[Chelly]

I know why we need a ceasefire for people to leave Ukraine. What I don’t currently understand is why Russia actually agreed to it?

I believe P agrees to ceasefire for people to leave Ukraine and go to Russia.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Jeffrey Sonnenfeld and his research team at Yale University has compiled a list of companies still operating there, or ones that have ties but have not yet confirmed their withdrawal.

They include:

• Arconic
• Bridgestson
• Cargill
• Caterpillar
• Cummins
• Deere
• Dow
• Fast Retailing
• Ferragamo
• Herbalife

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Cont’d

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/western-companies-still-operating-russia-26426115

• Hilton
• Intercontinental Hotels
• Logitech
• Marriott
• Mars
• 3M
• Mondelez
• Nestle
• Pirelli

The full list can be viewed here.

 

[sunshineray]

Ukraine war: Moscow says it has found biological weapons in Ukraine - but US dismisses claims as 'absurd propaganda'

Speaking to reporters on Wednesday, Kremlin spokeswoman Maria Zakharova told reporters: "We can conclude that in Ukrainian laboratories close to our borders, components of biological weapons were being developed.

"The urgent destruction of these materials was ordered in order not to disclose the materials and the programmes that were being made there."

It involved deadly pathogens including plague and anthrax, she said.

Moscow called on Washington to explain "Ukrainian biological weapons labs".

Igor Konashenkov, chief spokesman of the Russian Defence Ministry, said: "It is obvious that in the wake of the special military operation, the Pentagon started having serious concerns about secret biological experiments uncovered on the Ukrainian territory.

Snipped and BBM by me...

"The urgent destruction of these materials was ordered in order not to disclose the materials and the programmes that were being made there."

It involved deadly pathogens including plague and anthrax, she said.

Ok, first, way not to disclose.

The more important thing for me to comment about is why anyone would need to weaponize anything like the plague or anthrax? Now if they were just studying it to cure it or develop vaccines, that's different.
I cannot tolerate these scientists, or better to call them grim reapers, who think is ok to develop biological WEAPONS.

Everyday I'm more and more frightened this is all going to end much worse than anyone ever imagined. I don't want to feel this way but these crazy men...and women like that Child Service woman who met with Putin about the Ukrainian orphans, they all need a massive time out.

I think right now would be the best moment for aliens to land their UFOS and give humanity a look at the bigger picture.

AJMO

 

[SouthAussie]

Snipped and BBM by me...

"The urgent destruction of these materials was ordered in order not to disclose the materials and the programmes that were being made there."

It involved deadly pathogens including plague and anthrax, she said.

Ok, first, way not to disclose.

The more important thing for me to comment about is why anyone would need to weaponize anything like the plague or anthrax? Now if they were just studying it to cure it or develop vaccines, that's different.
I cannot tolerate these scientists, or better to call them grim reapers, who think is ok to develop biological WEAPONS.

Everyday I'm more and more frightened this is all going to end much worse than anyone ever imagined. I don't want to feel this way but these crazy men...and women like that Child Service woman who met with Putin about the Ukrainian orphans, they all need a massive time out.

I think right now would be the best moment for aliens to land their UFOS and give humanity a look at the bigger picture.

AJMO

This article gives more info. The subject was raised by China. (And initially revolved around where covid started.)


During a routine press conference on Tuesday, the Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson mentioned the 26 bio-labs and other related facilities in Ukraine, under the absolute control of the US Department of Defense, as well as the US' 336 biological labs in 30 countries, asking "what is the true intention of the US?"

An agreement signed by the US Department of Defense and the Ministry of Health of Ukraine in 2005, was aimed to prevent bio-weapons and pathogens from being abused, and Ukraine seems to run those labs.

The agreement said that the US Department of Defense has the right to audit and examine materials, training of personnel and services provided in accordance with the agreement.

The most important part is that the agreement says that the Ministry of Health of Ukraine shall transfer to the US Department of Defense copies of dangerous pathogen strains collected in Ukraine.

US tries to refute 'rumors' about its bio-labs in Ukraine, but can we believe it? - Global Times

 

[sds71]

Palo Alto startup SE Ranking confirmed Wednesday that the photo depicts its chief accountant, Tatiana Perebeinis, 43, along with her daughter Alise, 9, and son Nikita, 18, who were killed by Russian forces as they tried to flee the town of Irpin, a suburb about 15 minutes from Kyiv. They had just dashed across a partially destroyed bridge over the Irpin River into Kyiv when a mortar hit.

Perebeinis “was a very friendly, brave, courageous woman with a great sense of humor, she always cheered everyone around her up, she was truly like a big sister to all of us,” Khirvonina said. She spoke from Dubai, where she had fled on Feb. 23 from Ukraine, where about half of the company’s 110 workers are based.

“We are so shocked, saddened, devastated, angry. There are no words to describe our emotions, we are so heartbroken.”
https://www.sfchronicle.com/califor...ech-worker-was-the-Ukrainian-mom-16990037.php

Silicon Valley tech worker was the Ukrainian mom lying dead on street in brutal photo that sparked outrage

 

[ilovewings]

At the risk of having tomatoes thrown at me, I am getting a tad peeved with President Zelesky (sp)-- he keeps saying the United States is not doing enough and further that he wants US to generate a no fly zone, knowing full well this could start WWIII- NO, NO, NO- not one general or miltary talking head has suggested this is a good idea: in fact all of them have stated sternly that we cannot do this - The United States is doing everything and more in this crisis- but we do not want to do anything to start WWIII---Putin is unstable, evil and looking for a reason to start WWIII IMO

 

[Simply Southern]

NATO will continue with or without the USA. There are 30 countries that belong to NATO with a common goal to "counter the threat posed by the USSR, also known as the Soviet Union."

Greece contributes 3.82% of GDP to NATO, the USA contributes 3.52% of GDP.

Yes,both give above the 2% dues. I think the US gives the most at 6.8 TRILLION., I hope this offset for that don't.

NATO Spending by Country 2022
Moo

 

[worldwatcher]

This article gives more info. The subject was raised by China. (And initially revolved around where covid started.)


During a routine press conference on Tuesday, the Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson mentioned the 26 bio-labs and other related facilities in Ukraine, under the absolute control of the US Department of Defense, as well as the US' 336 biological labs in 30 countries, asking "what is the true intention of the US?"

An agreement signed by the US Department of Defense and the Ministry of Health of Ukraine in 2005, was aimed to prevent bio-weapons and pathogens from being abused, and Ukraine seems to run those labs.

The agreement said that the US Department of Defense has the right to audit and examine materials, training of personnel and services provided in accordance with the agreement.

The most important part is that the agreement says that the Ministry of Health of Ukraine shall transfer to the US Department of Defense copies of dangerous pathogen strains collected in Ukraine.

US tries to refute 'rumors' about its bio-labs in Ukraine, but can we believe it? - Global Times

Analysis: Russia’s ‘warning’ of Ukraine’s biological weapons sounds just like Syria

"When a Russian spokesperson took to a podium in Moscow on Wednesday and warned of a “biological weapons programme” in Ukraine, fighters on another battlefield – Syria – understood what she meant.

The anti-Assad opposition groups that still held northern Syria had heard it all before. From 2015, when Russia took a prominent stake in the conflict, and throughout the gruesome years that followed, claims that they, instead of the Assad regime, had used chemical weapons were a ready-made slur that put them on notice of an imminent assault. The allegations were made by Moscow, whenever ground forces it was supporting wanted to clear a town or city. Brutal, indiscriminate bombardment followed. So did impunity."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...imir-putin-volodymyr-zelenskiy-latest-updates

ETA:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/11/07/zhang-zhan-prisoner-wuhan-china-covid-origin/

 

[CSIDreamer]

United Nations (UN)

https://twitter.com/UN/status/1501672443655639040?t=G0xPl4th2Ngdk8oCZgq7SA&s=19

The war in Ukraine is already impacting millions of lives inside and outside the country.

@WFP warns that as the crisis worsens, many countries will face soaring food prices, catastrophic hunger and growing instability. A hunger catastrophe | World Food Programme

https://t.co/H53UsQ4NUA

https://twitter.com/UN/status/1501695073469140993?t=upc4WjyKvSRQgoF4QsetzQ&s=19

Babies are NotATarget.

Children are NotATarget.

Civilians are NotATarget.

Hospitals are NotATarger.

Health care workers are NotATarget.

Schools are NotATarget.

Humanitarians are NotATarget. https://t.co/sDlkTs42vV