Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #8

[Bit of hope]

Also feeling conflicted about the poisoned food and drink... although understandable from the Ukrainian point of view, it is sad that they have to resort to the dirty methods of the evil ones, hopefully it will not be ''reciprocated'' in kind by P, imo, speculation.

I'm afraid it will.

This is (again) not a very comforting situation for peace talks...No.... you shoot civilians just like that....starving people in Mariupol...raping women...steal jewelry from people...etc. etc...very inconvenient...I'm so fed up with it....it's sooooo wrong.

ETA

 

[Sundog]

Orthodox Easter is on April 24th. I have been wondering if they might negotiate an Easter truce. But as I look back on the news from April 2021 and the fighting between Ukraine and Russia that was going on in the eastern part of the country at that time, I see that an Easter truce did not take place, they weren't able to negotiate that from either side.

Nonetheless, hoping and praying that an Easter truce will be agreed upon this year and better yet, a peace negotiation before then.

While a pause at Easter may be short-lived, it would be a good sign that both sides can agree on something, and continue to move forward with negotiations from there.

Perhaps Orthodox leaders can play a role in this, somehow exert pressure on the negotiations, perhaps as it gets closer to Holy Week.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I'm confused....this is not a war crime because given by civilians.....and they took it.....I totally do understand them......I will never ever say I wouldn't have done it....but why am I feeling sad for this guys and their families too?

Also feeling conflicted about the poisoned food and drink... although understandable from the Ukrainian point of view, it is sad that they have to resort to the dirty methods of the evil ones, hopefully it will not be ''reciprocated'' in kind by P, imo, speculation.

I personally am not conflicted. I would protect my family any way possible. Perhaps, that's what happened here. JMO

 

[Bit of hope]

I'm afraid it will.

I personally am not conflicted. I would protect my family any way possible. Perhaps, that's what happened here. JMO

You never know where you're capable off...when you have to decide....Some reflection here is needed...I'm a woman...and I always said...when certain people harm my folks really bad...I hire somebody....would I, could I....I hear my macho papa ringing in my ears...Same, but another question I can't finger out...what would I have done when they deported the Jews.....

 

[PommyMommy]

APR 2, 2022
Live updates | Zelenskyy: Troops shell retreating Russians | AP News
President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Ukrainian troops retaking areas around Kyiv and Chernihiv are not allowing Russians to retreat without a fight, but are “shelling them. They are destroying everyone they can.”

Zelenskyy, in his Saturday night video address to the nation, said Ukraine knows Russia has the forces to put even more pressure on the east and south of Ukraine.

[...]

APR 3, 2022
1h ago 11:21
Volodymyr Zelenskiy has been speaking on the US political talkshow Face the Nation, accusing Russia of trying to wipe out Ukraine and its people, and calling for the Russian president Vladimir Putin and his military commanders to be held accountable for atrocities allegedly committed by withdrawing Russian troops.

[...]

“When we find people with hands tied behind their back and decapitated, such things I don’t understand. I don’t comprehend the kids who were killed and tortured. It wasn’t enough just to kill, for those criminals? Maybe they wanted to take gold, or washing machines as they were killing, but they were also torturing them as they did this.”

About holding the perpetrators accountable for war crimes, Zelenskiy added: “It wouldn’t be fair to take only [Putin]. All the military commanders, everyone who gave instructions and orders should be punished adequately.”

[...]

 

[sunshineray]

This is this morning's interview done by CNN's Fareed Zakaria with Mikhail Khodorkovsky, at one time the richest man in Russia. He was a Putin ally, then critic and was thrown in jail for 10 years. He now lives outside Russia under threats still from Putin's Russia.

It's a very clarifying perspective on the monster that is Putin. I hope this is the full interview.

Ex-Russian oligarch says this moment in war drove Putin 'insane' - CNN Video

 

[PommyMommy]

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter - 7 hrs ago
Top official says Poland ready to deploy US nukes to deter Russian aggression. “If the Americans asked us to store U.S. nuclear weapons in Poland, we would be open to it," said Jaroslaw Kaczynski, deputy prime minister and the leader of Poland's ruling Law and Justice party.

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter - 6 hrs ago
Vereshchuk: 11 Ukrainian mayors held by Russian troops. Deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk said on April 3 that Russia had held hostage mayors in Kyiv, Kherson, Kharkiv, Zaporizhzhia, Mykolaiv and Donetsk oblasts.

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter
Luhansk Oblast Governor: 4 local mayors committed treason. According to Luhansk Oblast Governor, heads of cities – Rubizhne, Stanytsia Luhanska, Milove and Markivka – have switched allegiances and are now working for Russia. All four cities are currently occupied by Russia.

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter - 5 hrs ago
Podolyak slams Western leaders for failing to help Ukraine. Mykhailo Podolyak, an aide to President Volodymyr Zelensky’s chief of staff, posted photos of Russian atrocities in Kyiv Oblast, where hundreds of civilians have been killed. 1/2

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter
“The main thing, according to our European partners, is not to provoke the Russians, right?” Podolyak wrote, comparing mass executions in Bucha to the 1995 Srebrenica massacre. “Hundreds, thousands killed, torn apart, raped, cuffed, raped again and killed again,” he added. 2/2

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter - 4 hrs ago
Mayors of Snovsk in Kherson Oblast and Beryslav in Chernihiv Oblast released from Russian captivity. Source: Kyiv Mayor Vitali Klitschko.

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter - 1 hr ago
Ukrainians rallied against the Russian occupation in the occupied Kherson on April 3, despite risks. The Russian forces in the city have been dispersing such rallies and hunting down their organizers.

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter - WARNING: GRAPHIC PHOTO
Zelensky reacts to photos of civilians killed by Russians in Bucha: "Mothers of Russian soldiers should see that. See what bastards you've raised. Murderers, looters, butchers." Photo: AFP via Getty Images.

 

[sunshineray]

I read in Russian press that Moscow holding cells are overfilled.

At some point...like in America's history of No Taxation Without Representation and the Boston Tea Party...you'd think the majority will say, "NO MORE!!".

If the jails are full to brimming you know they will just bus them elsewhere. When family members start disappearing maybe the doubting Thomases and Putin worshippers will finally start to see and BELIEVE the horror Putin and his "Igors" have done.

At some point doesn't it, the lies, all just have to crumble and the clouds of deception part? Can a whole country truly be kept in the dark, in 2022, to the horrors we're seeing as the Russians leave areas they've occupied? It's revolting enough that it should cause revolt.
AJMO

 

[Sundog]

From PommyMommy's post above -

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter - 7 hrs ago
Top official says Poland ready to deploy US nukes to deter Russian aggression. “If the Americans asked us to store U.S. nuclear weapons in Poland, we would be open to it," said Jaroslaw Kaczynski, deputy prime minister and the leader of Poland's ruling Law and Justice party.

I assume he is referring to the use of nukes to deter Russian aggression against Poland, and not Ukraine?

BBM

 

[PommyMommy]

NEXTA on Twitter - 8 hrs ago
Negotiations between #Russia and #Ukraine will continue on April 4 in the online format This was announced by the head of the negotiating group from Russia, Vladimir #Medinskiy.

NEXTA on Twitter - 7 hrs ago
Soldiers of formations and military units of the #Russian Baltic Fleet's Army Corps are conducting tactical exercises with live firing in the #Kaliningrad Region.

Kaliningrad - Google Maps

NEXTA on Twitter
In #Kakhovka, #Kherson region, right now, #Russian occupiers are dispersing a peaceful rally of citizens with machine gun fire.

NEXTA on Twitter
#Irpin will be closed to the exit and all leaving cars will be checked These measures are taken to avoid the facts of looting. The police are also working on the streets.

NEXTA on Twitter
Volodymyr Zelensky posthumously awarded photojournalist Maksim Levin the Order "For Courage"

NEXTA on Twitter - 5 hrs ago, Video
In #Irpen, the occupiers shot women and girls and then drove tanks over them The mayor of the city, Oleksandr Markushin, said this in an interview

NEXTA on Twitter - 4 hrs ago
The spokesman for the #Odessa military administration, Sergey Bratchuk, said that the strikes on the Odessa region were carried out from #Russian ships in the Black Sea.

NEXTA on Twitter - 3 hrs ago
Anonymous hackers leaked personal data of 120,000 #Russian soldiers fighting in #Ukraine.

NEXTA on Twitter - WARNING: GRAPHIC VIDEO
In the liberated Velyka Dymerka, the occupiers were killing dogs, judging by the fact that some dogs were in enclosures, the butchers were killing them just for fun.

NEXTA on Twitter
#Ukrainian military shot down a #Russian "SU-35" plane near the city of #Izyum, #Kharkiv Region, according to MP Anton Gerashchenko. According to Gerashchenko, the pilot of the downed plane ejected and tried to escape, but was caught. The cost of such an airplane is $50 million

NEXTA on Twitter
The pilot of the #Russian plane shot down over #Izyum was caught.

NEXTA on Twitter - 30 min ago
The bodies of 410 dead civilians were removed from the districts of the #Kyiv region liberated from the #Russian troops, Prosecutor General of #Ukraine Irina Venediktova said.

 

[sunshineray]

A nice article

What I Heard From Passengers on the Last Train Out of Russia

Very good read, thanks Charot123.

Someone telling it like it is...people just need to live, to think and feel freely <3

“I was born in the Soviet Union,” Karina, a 50-year-old art director, told me. “It’s all coming back now. The army is all over Moscow. If you say something out of line they will stop and arrest you. There is fear everywhere.

The problem is that there are many Russians who cannot admit our mistakes, cannot realize that we are trapped in a nightmare. Russians are very sensitive to criticism. They can criticize ourselves, but if it’s coming from outside, they take it very personally. People don’t want to admit mistakes. It’s much easier to watch TV and absorb the government propaganda. It’s easier to not think.

We did it for the 70 years of the Soviet Union and now it’s the same psychology again. Anti-Putin people are probably in the minority. You have this vast country with many people who are poor and who have never travelled abroad. They are very isolated, with no communication, only their television. They work hard all day, come home exhausted and the TV is their only source.

But the world needs to know that not all Russians are for Putin. I love my country. It’s a great country. I am proud to speak Russian, to be Russian. But now I must leave my country and not come back.

My poor 81-year-old mother dreamed all her life for her country to be free. At the train station this morning she was crying as she said goodbye to me with the saddest words I’ve ever heard in my life.”

“I was born behind this wall,” her mother said, “and now I will die behind it as well."

What I Heard From Passengers on the Last Train Out of Russia

 

[dotr]

Disturbing video at link..
Ukraine documents alleged atrocities by retreating Russians - CBS News
''Oleksiy Arestovych, an adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, said scores of killed civilians were found on the streets of Bucha and the Kyiv suburbs of Irpin and Hostomel in what looked like a "scene from a horror movie."

Arestovych said some people were shot in the head and had their hands bound, and some bodies showed signs of torture, rape and burning.''

''The capital city's mayor, Vitali Klitschko, said civilians were "shot with joined hands" and told German newspaper Bild that "what happened in Bucha and other suburbs of Kyiv can only be described as genocide."


A day earlier, AP journalists witnessed Ukrainian soldiers gingerly removing at least six bodies from a street in Bucha with cables in case the Russians had booby-trapped corpses with explosives before their withdrawal. Local residents said the dead people were civilians killed without provocation, a claim that could not be independently verified.

Klitschko called on other nations to immediately end Russian gas imports, saying they were funding the invasion of Ukraine, now in its 39th day.''

 

[PommyMommy]

Euromaidan Press on Twitter - 5 hrs ago, Video
Ukrainian frontline soldiers after the battle, Mar 31
Journalist: What's the worst thing in this war?
Ukrainian soldier: Russian airpower. Even artillery is not that horrific. W/o it, we'd have already pushed them. When the sky is "closed" for a while, their whole infantry is ours. Ukrainian Troops Hold A Defensive Line In The Kyiv Region (rferl.org)

Euromaidan Press on Twitter - 3 hrs ago
Russian attacks destroyed Chernihiv by 70% - mayor "Our city resembles Bucha, and in some areas it is already like Mariupol. People wonder how to live to see tomorrow," Chernihiv mayor Vladyslav Atroshenko said Chernihiv - the city resembles Bucha and Mariupol: Chernihiv destroyed by 70% - mayor - UNIAN

Euromaidan Press on Twitter - 2 hrs ago
The Russian military invading Ukraine is shooting point-blank at civilians attempting to flee besieged cities. “There were three rounds of two to three shots. I understood that it was all over… They killed my family in cold blood!”

Russian military shoots at Ukrainian civilians fleeing bombardments | Euromaidan Press
[...]

Oleh’s younger brother, Denys Fedko, spoke with his mother Anna as the family was driving by the column of Russian troops.

“I was talking with my mother when I heard her begging them to stop shooting, shouting that there were children in the car. I heard little Ivan crying loudly; he was only a month and a half old. Then I heard shots… and silence, and then shots again. There were three rounds of two to three shots. I understood that it was all over… They killed my family in cold blood!”

The three adults died on the spot – Oleh Fedko Senior, his wife Hanna and his daughter-in-law Iryna. The first car returned and took away the children, who were still alive, but barely breathing. The relatives drove them to the hospital in Nova Kakhovka, where the children died in the operating room.

[...]

 

[Bit of hope]

In all the madness....so lovely. https://twitter.com/i/status/1510309994436210690 Tapirs from the zoo being evacuated.

 

[worldwatcher]

Not all is black or white..Today, I saw a Russian mass car rally rally in Berlin.

Some social media are posting: “ that pro Putin’s protesters gathered in 5000 cars in Berlin to show support for Russia’s war of aggression against Ukraine. Many of them waved Soviet and “Z symbol”- flags.”

That isn’t correct :
“About 900 people took part in a motorcade with Russian flags in Berlin on Sunday. The move with several hundred vehicles was registered as an event entitled "No propaganda in the school - protection for Russian-speaking people, no discrimination", according to the Berlin police. A sign read: "Stop hating Russians" (stop hating Russians). A number of cars carried flags in the Russian national colors of white, blue and red.”
https://www.zeit.de/news/2022-04/03/autokorso-in-berlin-mit-russischen-fahnen?utm_referrer=https://www.google.nl/

Saw no Z- symbol flags on the footages and when you read this German msm,...:

Arson attack on German-Russian school

“Unknown people set fire to a German-Russian school in Berlin. The State Criminal Police Office assumes political motivation. Actions of this kind are piling up.”

ZEIT ONLINE | Lesen Sie zeit.de mit Werbung oder im PUR-Abo. Sie haben die Wahl.

Its better understood,imo - the rally in Berlin!

 

[sunshineray]

Russian troops near Kharkiv died after eating poisoned stuffed buns given to them as 'gifts' by Ukrainian citizens, a Ukrainian intelligence agency has claimed.

Two soldiers from the 3rd Motor Rifle Division died immediately after eating the delicacies served by the citizens of Izium, a Facebook post by the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine announced on Saturday.

Another 28 Russian troops are in intensive care after the poisoning with several hundred others also suffering from 'severe illnesses' after drinking poisoned alcohol given to them by civilians.

Two Russian troops dead and 28 in hospital after being POISONED by laced Ukrainian buns | Daily Mail Online

Same town/city did this after Maidan happened and Zelensky was elected. The new decommunization laws were changing Russian names of things/places. Their Lenin Square became Lennon Square. Mural says, "Give Peace a Chance"...wonder if it's still there.

Give Peace a Chance-M O W

 

[sunshineray]

Not all is black or white..Today, I saw a Russian mass car rally rally in Berlin.

Some social media are posting: “ that pro Putin’s protesters gathered in 5000 cars in Berlin to show support for Russia’s war of aggression against Ukraine. Many of them waved Soviet and “Z symbol”- flags.”

That isn’t correct :
“About 900 people took part in a motorcade with Russian flags in Berlin on Sunday. The move with several hundred vehicles was registered as an event entitled "No propaganda in the school - protection for Russian-speaking people, no discrimination", according to the Berlin police. A sign read: "Stop hating Russians" (stop hating Russians). A number of cars carried flags in the Russian national colors of white, blue and red.”
https://www.zeit.de/news/2022-04/03/autokorso-in-berlin-mit-russischen-fahnen?utm_referrer=https://www.google.nl/

Saw no Z- symbol flags on the footages and when you read this German msm,...:

Arson attack on German-Russian school

“Unknown people set fire to a German-Russian school in Berlin. The State Criminal Police Office assumes political motivation. Actions of this kind are piling up.”

ZEIT ONLINE | Lesen Sie zeit.de mit Werbung oder im PUR-Abo. Sie haben die Wahl.

Its better understood,imo - the rally in Berlin!

Hate crimes are hate crimes, no matter the perpetrators, IMO Thanks for posting this to show that it's not ok to take hatred for atrocities out on innocent people who are most likely just as appalled by what's going on in Ukraine </3

 

[PommyMommy]

NEXTA on Twitter
Mykhailo Podolyak said that the mobile crematoriums that the invaders brought with them were intended for civilians.

Михайло Подоляк on Twitter (Mykhailo Podolyak, Adviser to the Head of the Office of President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy) WARNING: GRAPHIC PHOTOS
Russians came in Ukraine with military bands and columns of the Rosguard. But they were followed by mobile crematories. Why do you need them if you don’t believe in resistance? Now we know - to hide war crimes. This is not a performer's mistake. This is a planned genocide. #BuchaMassacre

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter
Zelensky about Russia's war crimes in Ukraine: "Concentrated evil has come to our land. Murderers, butchers, rapists, looters, who call themselves an army and who only deserve to die after what they have done," Zelensky said.

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter
Zelensky: Russians killed deliberately and with pleasure. "They are deprived of everything humane, there is no soul, no heart," President Volodymyr Zelensky said in a recent address following news about Russia's atrocities in Kyiv Oblast.

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter
Zelensky slams the world's weak response to Russian aggression: "We will win this war even if some politicians fail to overcome the indecisiveness that is passed on along with offices," he said in a recent video address.

NEXTA on Twitter
This is how the Kyiv-Zhytomyr highway looks like, 25-30 kilometers from the capital of #Ukraine.

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter
Johnson: I will do everything in my power to starve Putin’s war machine. Addressing Russia’s “despicable attacks against innocent civilians” in Bucha, Johnson said that Britain will step up sanctions against Russia, and bolster military and humanitarian support for Ukraine.

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter
Welt: Germany refuses to supply Ukraine with 100 tanks. German Defense Ministry told the Welt that the requested Marder infantry fighting vehicles that Berlin owns are associated with NATO obligations, so the decision needs to be made within the alliance.

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter
Zelensky invites Merkel, Sarkozy to Bucha to see the result of years-long concessions to Russia. In his evening address, Zelensky invited the former European leaders to “see tortured Ukrainians with their own eyes” to understand what the concession policy to Russia has led to.

UkraineWorld on Twitter
"I invite Ms. Merkel and Mr. Sarkozy to visit Bucha and see what the policy of appeasement of Russia has led to in 14 years. We do not blame the West. We don't blame anyone but the Russian military who did it. But we have the right to talk about indecision," @ZelenskyyUa

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter
Donetsk Oblast governor urges residents to leave amid threats of military escalation. Pavlo Kyrylenko said that the authorities “strongly recommend” residents to leave Donetsk Oblast, explaining that all the necessary transport and instructions will be provided.

The Kyiv Independent on Twitter
Ukraine's military report destroying 43 Russian military vehicles on April 3. The Ukrainian forces also destroyed two units of armored vehicles and shot down two aircraft, one of which was an unmanned aerial vehicle, as well as an Ilyushin Il-22 aircraft.

Euromaidan Press on Twitter
Ukrainian forces liberated the villages of Kolychivka, Yahidne, Ivanivka in Chernihiv Oblast Регіональне управління Сил ТрО “Північ” Збройних Сил України | Facebook

Euromaidan Press on Twitter
In Chernihiv Oblast, the Russian military desecrated graves of Ukrainian soldiers who had perished in the Donbas. Telegram: Contact @ukrainenowenglish PHOTOS: Suspilne Chernihiv

 

[Charlot123]

I think Anonymous ought to send these pictures and more to every email and phone number they manage to acquire. I think they should keep on hacking the state tv signals and broadcast these pictures. That emergency weather station that now asks for people to snitch on neighbors talking truths about the WAR in Ukraine, send the truth through that if possible. Maybe some brave souls can photocopy fliers with these photos and drop them from tall buildings on a windy day, all over Russia. Sorry, a bit of a rant and AJMO

I honestly, think that Russians are in denial, but it must be due to psychological shock. They have to absorb deaths of their own young people in Ukraine, for nothing. They have to absorb monumental sanctions. The iron curtain again. If they see this, they will simply lose their mind.

I'm confused....this is not a war crime because given by civilians.....and they took it.....I totally do understand them......I will never ever say I wouldn't have done it....but why am I feeling sad for this guys and their families too?

Because they didn't ask for this war...

Between Russia and Ukraine, things will be as horrible as possible till at least one more generation. Maybe more.

4 mln displaced is a lot. It is a catastrophe of its own.

Now as the war is close to its end, hopefully, the attention is drawn towards Russia...

 

[LadyL]

I'm confused....this is not a war crime because given by civilians.....and they took it.....I totally do understand them......I will never ever say I wouldn't have done it....but why am I feeling sad for this guys and their families too?

Also feeling conflicted about the poisoned food and drink... although understandable from the Ukrainian point of view, it is sad that they have to resort to the dirty methods of the evil ones, hopefully it will not be ''reciprocated'' in kind by P, imo, speculation.

I feel the same way. But from their point of view, their people are being raped and murdered and pillaged to no end.