Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022

[Herat]

I have no idea what kind of Russian products to boycott. Any ideas are welcome.

Forbes Magazine has a list of ways to contribute charitably:

13 Ways To Help The People Of Ukraine Right Now

 

[margarita25]

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Another thing I noticed: a report will come out that Russians have been killed/shot down, whatever the case may be, then another report will come out to contradict it and say it was really the Ukrainians who were killed/shot down, and vice versa.

Eta: In other words, certain victories can not always be immediately taken at face value.

Eta2: I learned this one the hard way when I saw something on social media involving a massive military take down and high report of casualties- I cheered, like “Get em! You’re fighting back”, only to find out later it was really the Ukrainians who were killed.

 

[Herat]

I'm serious about writing to the International Olympic Committee to institute a complete ban and banishment on Russian partipation in any future Olympic events or games.

 

[Herat]

My prayers for Ukraine , especially the city of Kyiv, and all it's citizens and friends tonight.

I pray earnestly for the safety of all these brave people and their leaders

 

[gitana1]

o/t For the first time my dear mom spoke of her experiences as a child in wartime, it shocked me to hear her tell of how afraid she had been, the scarcity of food, how they trembled in the dark as planes roared overhead. Then she said she was tired of living. i will not ever ask her again.

My uncle was born into war and had anxiety all his life. He died due to addiction issues. My grandparents refused to talk about it, for the most part.

Interestingly, my mom doesn’t remember feeling afraid during the war. Even during the bombing. She balked at having to leave her bed and go into a safe place during bombing.

She actually hit a nazi soldier in the face when she was five and they came to investigate my grandparents. He asked her if she ever saw anyone strange coming to the house and she just hit him in the face. She felt something was wrong with what he asked. My grandmother looked like the painting The Scream when she did that. But the guy just laughed. He had a little girl close in age to her. But my mom wasn’t scared then either. She was angry.

One day when my grandmother took my mom and uncle shopping in Amsterdam, there was a round up of Jews. My grandmother said the word (I can’t recall) and grabbed them and ran away. But my mom doesn’t remember feeling scared at that moment either.

However, when 9/11 happened, that night there were huge aircraft flying all over our county, super low, I guess patrolling. And THAT freaked her out. We walked outside and saw the planes. Her face was white and she said, “Oh my God. It’s happening again.”

That’s the first time she realized that there was trauma she never knew existed.

The people of Ukraine are going to be damaged forever by this. By the fear and trauma.

 

[Sillybilly]

From the Kyiv Independent

Russia blocks UN Security Council resolution condemning invasion of Ukraine.

Russia has used its veto power to block a United Nations Security Council resolution condemning its invasion of Ukraine. The vote was 11 in favor, one against, and three abstentions. China, which has declined to criticize Russia’s attack, was among the abstentions.

 

[SouthAussie]

I can't help thinking that Ukraine (like us all) has had covid since at least 2020. Now they have this terrible attack to deal with. They are reeling from one trauma to another. It's horrible.

 

[margarita25]

I have no idea what kind of Russian products to boycott. Any ideas are welcome.

Forbes Magazine has a list of ways to contribute charitably:

13 Ways To Help The People Of Ukraine Right Now

Well, on a light note, I remember your special “candy shed” and stocking up on candy when covid first went down (and me stocking up on tater tots) - see, it was really cousin @otto who was ahead of the game because he went straight to the vodka (which could also double as hand sanitizer).

All joking aside, honestly I can’t stop crying and am so upset can barely post. Heart is absolutely broken. I know this is true for so many of us here, and around the world. This is traumatic on many levels. Words can not even begin to imagine what the Ukrainian people are going through.

 

[gitana1]

I’m ready for anything with this nightmare. It’s so horrific to see this happening in our lifetime. It is going to have global implications that we cannot yet imagine fully.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Chinese banks restrict lending to Russia, dealing blow to Moscow

It was a surprising twist and points to potential cracks showing in the relationship between Moscow and Beijing. The two countries are frequently geopolitical allies who have united in the past against the U.S.; they have formed increasingly close bonds over recent years, with Russia a key supplier of energy to China.

The leaders of the two nations – Xi Jinping of China and Vladimir Putin of Russia – spoke on Friday, during which Xi reportedly urged Putin to solve the crisis with negotiations.

"China supports Russia and Ukraine in resolving the issue through negotiation."

 

[SouthAussie]

I’m ready for anything with this nightmare. It’s so horrific to see this happening in our lifetime. It is going to have global implications that we cannot yet imagine fully.

I think the first global ramification will be oil/fuel supply. Remember the gas rationing of war times, and the days of waiting for fuel on different days of the week, according to your license plate numbers?
If that oil/fuel supply is threatened, that market will tighten up (and become very expensive, accordingly).

 

[Sundog]

Um, if he assassinates the very popular centrist President Zelenshy and his family, attacks orphanages and schools, makes Chernobyl an even greater danger zone, executes guards on a remote island, and causes massive unwarranted death and destruction on a peaceful democracy, what is there for them to like?

Even the Pope is involved in please for peace. China has decried this invasion and demands "balanced negotiations".

Putin has already gone too far.

Do you have a link for China decrying the invasion? I haven't seen that news and am interested. Thanks.

 

[155etta]

I can't stop checking this thread for updates. I'm getting absolutely nothing done for the second day in a row. I feel compelled to sit here under my soft blanket and eat and eat and eat. I don't know why. Self soothing, I guess. I just feel so helpless. And a little panicky. It feels like the world is on the edge of tipping over.

 

[Sundog]

I believe Putin has viewed the internet and social media as one of the greatest threats to his strength for some time. I would not be surprised to see the “partial restriction” flow to other forms of social media and general internet access. It comes down to feeling threatened and controlling perspectives.

That's how it works in the PRC, so it doesn't surprise me.

 

[Herat]

Do you have a link for China decrying the invasion? I haven't seen that news and am interested. Thanks.

I read it early this morning. I'll have to review what sites I was reading this am.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Excerpt:
Driving the news ... Following a call with his British, EU and French counterparts, China's Foreign Minister Wang Yi outlined Beijing's position on Ukraine in five points:

1. China "firmly advocates" abiding by the UN Charter and respecting the territorial integrity of all countries, including Ukraine.
   
   
2. The security of one country cannot be strengthened at the expense of another, and Russia is justified to have concerns about five rounds of NATO expansion.
   
   
3. China believes "all parties" should exercise restraint and protect civilian life and property to prevent a large-scale humanitarian crisis.
   
   
4. China supports "direct dialogue and negotiation between Russia and Ukraine as soon as possible," and believes Ukraine "should be a bridge between East and West, not a frontier of great power confrontation."
   
   
5. The UN Security Council should be used to "facilitate a diplomatic solution and "cool tensions rather than fuel them." China has always opposed UN resolutions that invoke Chapter VII of the UN Charter, which authorizes military and non-military steps to "restore international peace and security."

China lays out 5-point position on Russia's invasion of Ukraine

 

[Mo Thuairim]

Zelenskiy had a dire message for Ukrainians tonight :

“This night will be the hardest... We must withstand,” he said in an address. “This night the enemy will be using all available means to break our resistance. This night they will launch an assault.”

“This night will be harder than the day. Many cities of our state are under attack: Chernihiv, Sumy, Kharkiv, our boys and girls in the Donbas, the cities of the south, special attention to Kyiv,” he added. “We can’t lose the capital.”

(...)

The Ukrainian ambassador to the US said today that attacks from Russia on Ukraine have “been more brutal”, but that Russian forces did not advanced as planned.

“The enemy is clearly surprised by the result of the armed forces and volunteers to protect the integrity of our country,” said Oksana Markarova, who is currently speaking at the the embassy of Ukraine in Washington DC.

Markarova also said that Ukrainian authorities are gathering evidence of “crimes” by Russian authorities to submit to international tribunals.

On the Chernobyl power plant that Russian troops captured yesterday, Markarova said that responsibility for it now lies with Russia as strict regulations for the plant are not being observed, adding that 92 plant personnel were taken as hostages.

Markarova also confirmed that Russian troops hit an orphanage in Ukraine, but did not injure any of the 50 children that were inside.

(...)

Russia-Ukraine latest news: Zelenskiy warns tonight will be ‘the hardest’; explosions heard in capital

 

[Sillybilly]

Hey everyone,

Please do not link to the Russian state owned news agency TASS due to the potential for trackbacks and repurcussions at Websleuths.

Thanks for your understanding.

 

[margarita25]

Excerpt:
Driving the news ... Following a call with his British, EU and French counterparts, China's Foreign Minister Wang Yi outlined Beijing's position on Ukraine in five points:

1. China "firmly advocates" abiding by the UN Charter and respecting the territorial integrity of all countries, including Ukraine.
   
   
2. The security of one country cannot be strengthened at the expense of another, and Russia is justified to have concerns about five rounds of NATO expansion.
   
   
3. China believes "all parties" should exercise restraint and protect civilian life and property to prevent a large-scale humanitarian crisis.
   
   
4. China supports "direct dialogue and negotiation between Russia and Ukraine as soon as possible," and believes Ukraine "should be a bridge between East and West, not a frontier of great power confrontation."
   
   
5. The UN Security Council should be used to "facilitate a diplomatic solution and "cool tensions rather than fuel them." China has always opposed UN resolutions that invoke Chapter VII of the UN Charter, which authorizes military and non-military steps to "restore international peace and security."

China lays out 5-point position on Russia's invasion of Ukraine

I’ve been very worried about how China (and a few other nations) would react to all this. I’m glad to see this, but who really knows what is really going on, Kwim. I hope this can be taken at face value.

Japan has really been stepping up, imo. And not without harsh words and threats received as a result.

 

[Tiff23fr]

I’ve been very worried about how China (and a few other nations) would react to all this. I’m glad to see this, but who really knows what is really going on, Kwim. I hope this can be taken at face value.

Japan has really been stepping up, imo. And not without harsh words and threats received as a result.

I continue to be worried about it. Much can be read between the lines of those bullets.