Australia Samantha Murphy, 51, last seen leaving her property to go for a run in the Canadian State Forest, Ballarat 100km NW of Melbourne, 4 Feb 2024 #5

[wecaff]

The continued interest in further searches for Samantha, (especially when considered alongside the complete ABSENCE of any concrete leads/evidence from extensive searches conducted thus far), is, indeed, quite extraordinary…

The police confirmed on Monday they have 770 pieces of information relating to SMs disappearance.

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[ProfCluezo]

The police confirmed on Monday they have 770 pieces of information relating to SMs disappearance.

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Thank you. Yes, sorry I should have qualified my comment by stating the lack of any CONFIRMED leads directly relevant to the case. From what I understand, from the bulk of information that has already been sifted through by police, no CLEAR confirmed leads/evidence have been made PUBLIC. Of course it’s possible there are some, and that further leads may emerge, but as far as I’m aware, the public have not been given any reason to believe that there is any CONFIRMED evidence of the circumstances surrounding Samantha’s disappearance, aside from the info gathered remotely in relation to her devices.

 

[bearbear]

The type of men that commit these crimes against women would already know it is wrong to do so.

I am not sure what telling "all" men is going to achieve, other than making men like myself feel personal guilt or shame for something that is completely not in our nature, in fact it is inherently in our nature to protect women.

in my opinion, i guess in an ideal world, compulsory respect and kindness to humans and animals needs to be instilled early on ideally from parental example and reinforced at kindergatron, child care and carried throughout the school years, very difficult i realize in disfunctional family situations but hopefully enough to make an impression

 

[Hats]

Assuming a heinous crime was committed, and the perpetrator(s) caught and successfully prosecuted, would it be wrong to impose a sentence of imprisonment not by the gravity or heinousness of the crime committed, but by the desire to 'cure' the offender(s) via rehab programs, education, psychiatry, psychology and thus deemed fit to re-enter society? If this is the case, the courts would probably impose a shorter sentence, especially if the perpetrator(s) are young.
Should the focus be rehabilitation for the criminal or redemption for the victim?

Yes that would be wrong. Sentences should be imposed on a balance of a number of factors, including punishment/deterrent, likelihood of rehabilitation, justice for victims and the safety of the public etc.

I am fairly sure from all the real crime docos I have watched, there have been psychopaths who have faked their rehabilitation and murdered again as soon as released. A lot of times the surviving victims are in a living hell going to probation hearings for early release, not to mention release after a short sentence. If it was me, I would throw away the key - no hand wringing from me. Sentences are generally vey light here in Australia compared to the USA.

One good new welcomed sentencing law in NSW (not sure what the status is in VIC), is the so called, "No body, no parole". I think that is the only reason the recent accused murderer of the gay couple disclosed where the bodies were.

 

[ZombieKittie]

God, that's a worry.

The police putting out a warning would only cause panic and finger pointing

 

[wecaff]

Yes that would be wrong. Sentences should be imposed on a balance of a number of factors, including punishment/deterrent, likelihood of rehabilitation, justice for victims and the safety of the public etc.

I am fairly sure from all the real crime docos I have watched, there have been psychopaths who have faked their rehabilitation and murdered again as soon as released. A lot of times the surviving victims are in a living hell going to probation hearings for early release, not to mention release after a short sentence. If it was me, I would throw away the key - no hand wringing from me. Sentences are generally vey light here in Australia compared to the USA.

One good new welcomed sentencing law in NSW (not sure what the status is in VIC), is the so called, "No body, no parole". I think that is the only reason the recent accused murderer of the gay couple disclosed where the bodies were.

I guess its a type of plea bargaining. In the example given, sentence bargaining. Information for leniency.

 

[ProfCluezo]

Yes that would be wrong. Sentences should be imposed on a balance of a number of factors, including punishment/deterrent, likelihood of rehabilitation, justice for victims and the safety of the public etc.

I am fairly sure from all the real crime docos I have watched, there have been psychopaths who have faked their rehabilitation and murdered again as soon as released. A lot of times the surviving victims are in a living hell going to probation hearings for early release, not to mention release after a short sentence. If it was me, I would throw away the key - no hand wringing from me. Sentences are generally vey light here in Australia compared to the USA.

One good new welcomed sentencing law in NSW (not sure what the status is in VIC), is the so called, "No body, no parole". I think that is the only reason the recent accused murderer of the gay couple disclosed where the bodies were.

“Never mistake law for justice. Justice is an ideal. Law is a tool”.
Modesitt Jnr

 

[BreakingNews]

Or maybe the Guide ..

The DM know how to dig up people from the past to make a story. I've had personal experience with DM.

 

[BreakingNews]

Yes that would be wrong. Sentences should be imposed on a balance of a number of factors, including punishment/deterrent, likelihood of rehabilitation, justice for victims and the safety of the public etc.

I am fairly sure from all the real crime docos I have watched, there have been psychopaths who have faked their rehabilitation and murdered again as soon as released. A lot of times the surviving victims are in a living hell going to probation hearings for early release, not to mention release after a short sentence. If it was me, I would throw away the key - no hand wringing from me. Sentences are generally vey light here in Australia compared to the USA.

One good new welcomed sentencing law in NSW (not sure what the status is in VIC), is the so called, "No body, no parole". I think that is the only reason the recent accused murderer of the gay couple disclosed where the bodies were.

NBNP. Queensland, South Australia, Western Australia, Victoria, Northern Territory and recently NSW. NSW only brought this in because of Lyn's Law from the Lyn Dawson murder.

https://theconversation.com/no-body-no-parole-laws

 

[Officer Dibble]

Did anyone else in this thread follow the webslueths thread in the last couple of years about Jonathan Gerrish, his wife, the small child and the dog all found dead in different locations, on a walk in the USA? They were experienced walkers too. Just wondering about something similar. It really was the most perplexing case. Edited to add: Turned out they had all overheated and didn't have enough water - I think iirc it was a hotter than usual day or more intensely humid, or something along those lines. I just wonder if Samantha's case is more along those lines and she did unfortunately end up in one of the mine shafts due to heat exhaustion and disorientation. In other words, could it be more simple than we are all thinking? JMO MOO

 

[Lemony]

I think it seems unlikely that if she were attacked by someone, the someone in question is acting by a chance encounter or just a random response.

The LE having seemingly little to no evidence after a month or so of searching since her disappearance points, imo, to someone who would have been planning to carry out such a thing.

If it were an opportunistic attack, or an accident, I'd be very surprised if the assailant would be so good at clearing up any evidence to the point where it seems SM has just vanished off the face of the Earth without a trace.

On the surface it seems that the police have little in terms of evidence, but who knows?
The targeted search may have turned up evidence of an accident or struggle. There were specialised units involved in the search, it would have been meticulous. I'm hopeful that if there was evidence waiting to be discovered, they found it.
Until police decide to reveal more we are all left guessing.
imo

 

[MrsWattle]

Interesting, MOO

Police hunt for wanted man Shaik Rezwan Karim

He is known to frequent Ballarat.

www.thecourier.com.au

 

[nightrider17]

NBNP. Queensland, South Australia, Western Australia, Victoria, Northern Territory and recently NSW. NSW only brought this in because of Lyn's Law from the Lyn Dawson murder.

https://theconversation.com/no-body-no-parole-laws

There has been a few convicted murderers in Australia who refuse to give up the whereabouts of the deceased and its only fair if we are feeding and housing them in prison that they stay there until such a time they reveal this information. IMO

eg;- John Edwards serving time for the murder of Sharon Edwards - refuses to reveal where he has buried his former wife.

'An extraordinary series of lies': NSW father jailed for murdering wife, but body still missing

The son of a killer who went to great lengths to cover up his wife's murder says he doubts his father will ever get out of jail — but he holds little hope of ever finding out where his mother's remains are.

www.abc.net.au

Also Chris Dawson murdering his wife Lynette Dawson - no information either.

NBNP. amen MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

Interesting, MOO

Police hunt for wanted man Shaik Rezwan Karim

He is known to frequent Ballarat.

www.thecourier.com.au

A lot of publicity for wanting a man about bail and theft offences. Seemingly not violent offences.
There are quite a few links out there, from the last couple of days, looking for this person who is known to frequent Ballarat and Coburg.
Linked In seems to indicate that he has an affiliation with a cleaning service.

imo

 

[nightrider17]

A lot of publicity for wanting a man about bail and theft offences. Seemingly not violent offences.
There are quite a few links out there, from the last couple of days, looking for this person who is known to frequent Ballarat and Coburg.
Linked In seems to indicate that he has an affiliation with a cleaning service.

imo

Maybe he's dabbling in the next tier of criminal activities. MOO

 

[O.Incandenza]

I tend to agree with you regarding this …. The lack of any evidence … seems to be too “clean of a crime” to be a random attack .

But stranger things have happened …

However, I have wondered how much evidence a large bull bar would leave??? If Sam was hit, scooped up, and the offender drove away???

IMO MOO

I don't really agree with this.

The random attack can come from someone who has planned the attack out, it's just the victim who is random. They're waiting for the right opportunity put their plan into action. I heard Paul Holes describe a certain type of predator by comparing them to a trap-door spider. Basically they scout out a location where they think they might encounter potential victims and be able to attack them and disappear quickly. They often choose public parks where women will be jogging/walking alone.

That actually makes more sense to me than an elaborate plan targeting Samantha in particular. If someone was doing that it seems like there would be less risky opportunities than attacking/abducting her at 8 in the morning in a public place.

And for everyone citing the statistics about stranger attacks, I think those percentages probably change pretty dramatically if you consider only cases where someone was attacked while out on a run/walk.

 

[MrsWattle]

A lot of publicity for wanting a man about bail and theft offences. Seemingly not violent offences.
There are quite a few links out there, from the last couple of days, looking for this person who is known to frequent Ballarat and Coburg.
Linked In seems to indicate that he has an affiliation with a cleaning service.

imo

Abn lookup of his name has quite a few different postcodes and more recent records.. The cleaning one is older 2012-2016.

 

[carbuff]

I don't really agree with this.

The random attack can come from someone who has planned the attack out, it's just the victim who is random. They're waiting for the right opportunity put their plan into action. I heard Paul Holes describe a certain type of predator by comparing them to a trap-door spider. Basically they scout out a location where they think they might encounter potential victims and be able to attack them and disappear quickly. They often choose public parks where women will be jogging/walking alone.

That actually makes more sense to me than an elaborate plan targeting Samantha in particular. If someone was doing that it seems like there would be less risky opportunities than attacking/abducting her at 8 in the morning in a public place.

And for everyone citing the statistics about stranger attacks, I think those percentages probably change pretty dramatically if you consider only cases where someone was attacked while out on a run/walk.

Yes. A predator is always on the hunt. Even if they're not hungry at the moment, they have their eyes open for prey and an escape route.

 

[Dotta]

Yes. A predator is always on the hunt. Even if they're not hungry at the moment, they have their eyes open for prey and an escape route.

He might even have been passing through this region.

Didn't we hear about masses of tourists visiting Ballarat lured by gold mines?

The perp who murdered Rachel M. seems to be not local.

Didn't Ted B. go hunting far from his home?

JMO

 

[nightrider17]

I am really rethinking the whole bush walking scenario - on a personal level I mean.

I have seen a few episodes of Ambulance Australia TV show - where it was extremely difficult for rescuers (not to mention lots of man power and resources needed) to retrieve the person who had a broken their ankle while trekking through heavily wooded areas.

Not to mention a perfect place for an ambush.

Sad you have to keep rationalising an activity - how to minimise risk and leave lots of DNA evidence. MOO