Australia Samantha Murphy, 51, last seen leaving her property to go for a run in the Canadian State Forest, Ballarat 100km NW of Melbourne, 4 Feb 2024 #8

[BreakingNews]

The law is an *advertiser censored*

OK the law is a donkey

 

[Dr Samoht]

P

according to this article...uey

Australian words - U | School of Literature, Languages and Linguistics

uey A U-turn. Uey is formed by abbreviating U-turn and adding –y on the end, a common Australian way of altering words. It is often found in the phrases to chuck a uey or to do a uey, meaning ‘to carry out a U-turn’. The earliest evidence of the term is found in 1973.

slll.cass.anu.edu.au

Perhaps just stay with U-turn.

 

[SouthAussie]

A police prosecutor said there was "a significant amount of material" in the brief of evidence.

The magistrate ordered police to file the brief to the man's defence team by July 25.

Media outlets to argue for suppression order on identity of Samantha Murphy's accused killer to be lifted

The Ballarat Magistrates' Court ordered the name of a 22-year-old man be suppressed after he was charged with murdering Ballarat mother Samantha Murphy.

www.abc.net.au

(Just putting this here so we can find it again if we are looking for the date on which the brief of evidence must be given to the accused. The date is 2 weeks before his committal mention hearing on 8th Aug.)

 

[Nikynoo]

A police prosecutor said there was "a significant amount of material" in the brief of evidence.

The magistrate ordered police to file the brief to the man's defence team by July 25.

Media outlets to argue for suppression order on identity of Samantha Murphy's accused killer to be lifted

The Ballarat Magistrates' Court ordered the name of a 22-year-old man be suppressed after he was charged with murdering Ballarat mother Samantha Murphy.

www.abc.net.au

(Just putting this here so we can find it again if we are looking for the date on which the brief of evidence must be given to the accused. The date is 2 weeks before his committal mention hearing on 8th Aug.)

so, it takes 20 weeks to review and pull the evidence together, but the defence only get 2 weeks to review?

 

[SouthAussie]

so, it takes 20 weeks to review and pull the evidence together, but the defence only get 2 weeks to review?

The 8th Aug hearing is a committal mention hearing - not the actual committal hearing, where they decide if the accused stands trial or not.

I believe the mention hearing is just to sort stuff out, get some direction on how this is going to move forward. Because there are three ways a committal can proceed.

This is a handy link ...


After the prosecution brief is disclosed and the accused person or defence have had time to review it, the accused person or defence will need to decide how the committal should proceed. The accused person or defence will often indicate this decision to a Magistrate at a committal mention.

Types of Committal Proceedings
There are three ways that a committal can generally proceed:

1. Registry committal;
2. Full hand up committal; or
3. A committal involving oral evidence from some or all prosecution witnesses.

https://victimsandwitnesses.cdpp.gov.au/what-committal-proceeding#:~:text=Before%2C%20during%20and%20after%20this,to%20follow%20along%20the%20way.

 

[BreakingNews]

P

Perhaps just stay with U-turn.

No. Because it had to be verbetum. I couldn't deviate from the audio. Long ago now.

 

[BreakingNews]

The 8th Aug hearing is a committal mention hearing - not the actual committal hearing, where they decide if the accused stands trial or not.

I believe the mention hearing is just to sort stuff out, get some direction on how this is going to move forward. Because there are three ways a committal can proceed.

This is a handy link ...


After the prosecution brief is disclosed and the accused person or defence have had time to review it, the accused person or defence will need to decide how the committal should proceed. The accused person or defence will often indicate this decision to a Magistrate at a committal mention.

Types of Committal Proceedings
There are three ways that a committal can generally proceed:

1. Registry committal;
2. Full hand up committal; or
3. A committal involving oral evidence from some or all prosecution witnesses.

https://victimsandwitnesses.cdpp.gov.au/what-committal-proceeding#:~:text=Before%2C%20during%20and%20after%20this,to%20follow%20along%20the%20way.

Exactly. Then allow lots of time for adjournments for various reasons, the magistrate makes a decision if there is enough evidence to proceed to trial or not. Then another wait for supreme court, then decide what evidence is admissible or not, then long process of jury selection then lots more waiting. Jury decision, then sentencing. Then maybe appeals. Then before we know it, the accused is up for parole. And the victim is still dead, and the family is still suffering.

 

[BreakingNews]

according to this article...uey

Australian words - U | School of Literature, Languages and Linguistics

uey A U-turn. Uey is formed by abbreviating U-turn and adding –y on the end, a common Australian way of altering words. It is often found in the phrases to chuck a uey or to do a uey, meaning ‘to carry out a U-turn’. The earliest evidence of the term is found in 1973.

slll.cass.anu.edu.au

I think that is what I typed. Uey.

 

[LozVic]

I’m new to posting but have always followed my thoughts imo is this was sexually motivated perhaps him and his gf have a fight he leaves on foot or in a vehicle heads to the quiet area near the running track to sleep it off / also possibly at the turn around point for Sam imo the only way there is nothing to find in the in the initial search would be strangulation no physical evidence has been found at least that we know of he would have had to move her very quickly imo as mick was Looking for he within a few hrs ?

 

[SouthAussie]

I’m new to posting but have always followed my thoughts imo is this was sexually motivated perhaps him and his gf have a fight he leaves on foot or in a vehicle heads to the quiet area near the running track to sleep it off / also possibly at the turn around point for Sam imo the only way there is nothing to find in the in the initial search would be strangulation no physical evidence has been found at least that we know of he would have had to move her very quickly imo as mick was Looking for he within a few hrs ?

Hi LozVic. Yes, very possible that this is a power, anger, rape, murder of a lone woman. imo

Occam's Razor

 

[drsleuth]

Shane Patton didn't say the police said nothing for 30 hours. He said the suspect said nothing, nothing , nothing. So it was not a dialogue, but a monologue. The police told him, I presume , what they figured out he had done, and he said nothing. According to Shane Patton, the police Commander.

It would not be wasted time for the detectives, I wouldn't think. They would be able to get a bit of a measure of Mr Stephenson, this being the first time they had spoken with him.

It would have been informative for them, in so far as while he kept his silence, unconscious body movements, facial tics, uncontrolled facial expressions would have been tremendously informative to these detectives for whom this is their bread and butter.

I think what he gave them was a " no comment" interview .........

 

[Deleted member 340727]

Inside hideout where Samantha Murphy's accused killer was arrested

The rural property where Samantha Murphy's alleged killer allegedly hid out during a month long search is on the market.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The Scotsburn home where Patrick Stephenson lived has a fresh 'For Sale' sign erected outside
Thank you Nifty for the alert, some important photographs posted by Daily Mail & updated.
By Wayne Flower, Melbourne Correspondent and Tita Smith01:08 22 Mar 2024, updated 03:02 22 Mar 2024

Inside hideout where Samantha Murphy's accused killer was arrested

The rural property where Samantha Murphy's alleged killer allegedly hid out during a month long search is on the market.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Warshawski]

I understand that phones will ping off a phone tower they are within range of but does anyone know if that just shows all the phones that were within that range, or the specific spot the was phone was located within that range.

There’s such a thing as ‘triangulation’ where various towers in the area are pinged, and distance data etc can be obtained to get pretty accurate locations.

https://www.infrastructure.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/infra5615_telco_security_factsheet_on_the_telecommunications_info_disclosure_bill_2701_3.pdf

 

[Warshawski]

Can I ask a random question about bail? I have googled a bit, but I'm hoping those with a bit more experience sleuthing will know the answers for Victoria. Can anyone, accused of any crime, apply for bail? AFAIK, there has been no mention of the accused applying for bail. From prior discussions here it seems that should the accused be found guilty, time spent in remand will come off his sentence, and remand is preferable to big boy prison. I would assume, based on the crime, that bail would be denied. Obviously I can't get inside anyone's head, but if you were not guilty, and confident of not being found guilty, would you not apply for bail to regain your rightful freedom? His hearing (or whatever it is) is 6 months from the time he was arrested. That's a long time just to get to the hearing, I assume a trial will then be many months later, if not a couple of years. That's a long time to sit in remand if you didn't do the crime. MOO

Police said when they arrested him that they would be opposing bail, so I’m thinking PS possibly didn’t even apply.

Police to allege Samantha Murphy was murdered in 'deliberate act'

www.9news.com.au

 

[Kemug]

Ever since Samantha failed to return from her run, we the people know absolutely nothing about what happened to her. We know people's opinions, we know who the police have arrested, we have police statements about this and that, but we still know nothing. How usual is this in similar scenarios I wonder.

 

[Warshawski]

Comm Patton said they interviewed the accused for a "number of hours".

9News said that he said they questioned the accused for more than 30 hours. Link

I am guessing that the quoted "number of hours" is correct, and the "30 hours" is the 9News own deduction of .... he was arrested around 6am, charged some time the following afternoon, that is more than 30 hours.



"The man was interviewed over a number of hours, a number of search warrants have been executed, as a result of those investigations, he has today been charged with the murder of Samantha.

Will be alleging that murder occurred at Mount Clear the day she disappeared. In the interview with the suspect, he has not disclosed to police where her body is. I want to be very clear on limiting what I can say given there has now been a charge of murder laid.

This investigation is far from over though ....... "

Victoria police say investigation into alleged murder of Samantha Murphy ‘far from over’

Thanks SA. I decided to check ahead a bit, as I attempt to catch up, and sure enough you’ve covered it.

There is such a thing as a No Comment interview, and I’m guessing that PS took that option.

Police Interview

Attending a police interview can be stressful. It is incredibly important that you understand what you need to do and what your rights are.

www.criminal-lawyers.com.au

From this article, it would seem that he is doing exactly as would be advised !

 

[Warshawski]

No. Because it had to be verbetum. I couldn't deviate from the audio. Long ago now.

I think you did it well

 

[iamshadow21]

DBM

 

[Marie A]

Ever since Samantha failed to return from her run, we the people know absolutely nothing about what happened to her. We know people's opinions, we know who the police have arrested, we have police statements about this and that, but we still know nothing. How usual is this in similar scenarios I wonder.

It is very common not to know the details of alleged crimes before the actual criminal trial.
Globally it is more common than not for police departments and investigators to keep their information private until the trial.
In the meantime, the press and thereby the public can gleen a bit more information as documents are filed that may be released to the public. The amount of interim info released depends upon the various countries or jurisdictions and their laws and standards.

 

[Dr Samoht]

The Scotsburn home where Patrick Stephenson lived has a fresh 'For Sale' sign erected outside
Thank you Nifty for the alert, some important photographs posted by Daily Mail & updated.
By Wayne Flower, Melbourne Correspondent and Tita Smith01:08 22 Mar 2024, updated 03:02 22 Mar 2024

Inside hideout where Samantha Murphy's accused killer was arrested

The rural property where Samantha Murphy's alleged killer allegedly hid out during a month long search is on the market.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Fresh sign , new agent ( McGrath)
Previous sign was for PRD.
Home has been up for sale over 12 months now.