Sandra Belanger (EVP) Has New Info

[DeltaDawn]

In the dream I had (I know this could mean nothing) He didn't kill her in the house. I still have a hard time believing that because her car was found at the airport.
I know I am "prejudice" because I don't believe in Sandra's "voices". I also don't believe in Brian's dreams. That is just me. I don't trust anyone who does things like that and makes a living from it. I remember Sylvia Brown telling the parents of that kid who was finally found with the sexual pervert that "he is dead". I believe there are people who have been born with extra "ESP". Sort -of a birth defect that works out to their benefit. LOL. But too many of this folks are simply out to make a buck.
I hope I am wrong, but currently I don't believe that Sandra knows a thing that we haven't heard from others. The blue barrel is no big surprise. We heard neighbors had seen it.

Sandra doesn't make her living this way. This is not something she takes money for. She has a regular full time job. This is just a gift and she tries to help out. But as far as I know she does not solicit money for this activity. People can offer her money to help keep her sight going..but I think she makes her livihood so to speak another way.

If I am wrong then someone please correct me.

 

[Leila]

I just had a horrible thought!

Is it possible that DP knocked Stacy unconscious, producing a wound that bled, and she was still alive but unconscious when DP took her out of the house? That would account for Tom Morphey saying that the container felt "warm to the touch." DP may have actually killed Stacy somewhere else, perhaps drowning her in a lake or river? This explanation also accounts for LE's statement that Stacy didn't leave the house willingly...........they didn't say Stacy didn't leave the house alive.

We know that Kathleen Savio's cause of death was drowning, but she also had a blow to her head that produced a gash that bled, and according to Dr. Baden, Kathleen had fresh bruises, suggesting a struggle before her death. Many months ago we discussed how Kathleen may have died and someone suggested that DP may have forced her head into the toilet.

Do killers change their method of killing?

I normally don't believe in psychics, and I remember the case that Curiousity Cat mentioned. It was the Shawn Hornbeck case - he went missing when he was 11 years old, and when LE found missing 13-year-old Ben Ownby in the apartment of his abductor, they found Shawn too. He had been missing for four years. Early in the case a psychic had searchers digging up fields where she said Shawn Hornbeck was buried.

With Sandra Belanger, I neither believe nor disbelieve. I'm on fence. Members here have attested to her accuracy in the Laci Peterson case, so I"m interested in what she has to say. In the end, her accuracy or inaccuracy will be evident.

It's interesting that what Sandra has to say motivates us to start thinking about other ways this crime could have been committed.

 

[mysteriew]

I've said from early on that I thought LE had some type of evidence. They classified it as suspected homicide way early. They actually named DrewP as a suspect. They don't do those things usually, unless they have some evidence. Most usually the type of evidence they might find that would lead to what they did would be finding blood.

Blood might be found in the room where they thought she may have been killed. It may have been found in the vehicle. But they also usually check all drains. And if there was blood, at some point DrewP would have washed up if he got blood on him and that would have ended up in the drain.

But besides the drains, it could have been infinitesimal spots of blood on the carpet, walls or furniture. I read once that someone could clean up after a murder, if they use bleach it will destroy the blood (but bleach will also cause Luminol to glow), but that in almost every case where someone cleans up, they will miss spots. Blood will spray, and some drops may hide in the carpet, under furniture, or behind baseboards. Or it may be very small droplets that are invisible to the naked eye, but show up under testing. Those small droplets also go farther than people think they will.

 

[curiositycat]

Leila your "thought" goes along with my dream of Stacy not being able to breathe. I am not sure about murderers and their methods..but that makes sense too! I have to believe that a thirty year veteran of the police force would know more then most of us about the importance of covering up and cleaning up at a crime scene.

As a mom of four grown kids I have a problem with the fact that the 13 and 14 year old would not have heard something IF the murder was done in the home??????? Then I have a bigger problem with DP cleaning up the crime scene with the children around. Kids wanting breakfast, ect. Kids coming in and out looking for "mommy". I just can't get my mind around that. If something that morning was not "normal" to the older kids wouldn't they have said something by now???

 

[DeltaDawn]

I think that the older of the two teen boys was in his room, which is in the basement. So if he had his door closed and MP player on then he may not have heard. The younger of the two teen boys is the one that has an upstairs bedroom. He is the one per Ric Mimms heard his parents arguing that morning and everything went quiet. So very possibly that is why the Grand Jury wanted to talk to the boys again.

 

[Leila]

Leila your "thought" goes along with my dream of Stacy not being able to breathe. I am not sure about murderers and their methods..but that makes sense too! I have to believe that a thirty year veteran of the police force would know more then most of us about the importance of covering up and cleaning up at a crime scene.

As a mom of three grown kids I have a problem with the fact that the 13 and 14 year old would not have heard something IF the murder was done in the home??????? Then I have a bigger problem with DP cleaning up the crime scene with the children around. Kids wanting breakfast, ect. Kids coming in and out looking for "mommy". I just can't get my mind around that. If something that morning was not "normal" to the older kids wouldn't they have said something by now???

One thing that sticks in my mind is that Sharon reported that when she got home from running a few errands that morning, she called the Peterson home about noon, and Christopher answered the phone. Sharon asked to speak to Stacy and Christopher hemmed and hawed until DP took the phone. DP told Sharon that Stacy had gone to her grandfather's. Sharon said she had called to tell Stacy that she had bought the children a Halloween treat. DP told Sharon that he'd bring the children over for their treat after lunch. He brought the children about 1:00pm and asked Sharon if she could babysit for about 15 minutes as he had to run an errand.

I've always felt that something had upset Christopher and that's why he hemmed and hawed to Sharon on the phone. He was upset and didn't know what to say. I think DP was in the middle of trying to convince the two older boys that nothing bad had happened - mommy and daddy had an argument and she left.

Cassandra said that when she went to the Peterson home at about 11:00pm that night, one of the two older boys answered the door and said that their dad wasn't there - that his mom and dad had a fight and she left and dad is out looking for her. Cassandra alluded that the boy said more but didn't want to elaborate on it at that time.

I think the two older boys did see or hear something that didn't seem right to them and DP scrambled to make up some sort of cover story to convince the boys that what they think they saw or heard wasn't something bad. At this point, I would think the the two older boys are caught between wanting to believe their father's cover story, while at the same time doubting it.

 

[fran]

Hmmm........I betcha' that when Sharon called and Christopher hmm'd and haw'd around before DP took the phone, was because Stacy WAS there, but ahhh....indisposed..........(ie dead, but he didn't know it, JUST that she couldn't come to the phone!)

THEN, when DP asked Sharon to babysit for 15 minutes, he ran home and put Stacy somewhere!!!

I hate him

JMHO
fran

 

[Leila]

Hmmm........I betcha' that when Sharon called and Christopher hmm'd and haw'd around before DP took the phone, was because Stacy WAS there, but ahhh....indisposed..........(ie dead, but he didn't know it, JUST that she couldn't come to the phone!)

THEN, when DP asked Sharon to babysit for 15 minutes, he ran home and put Stacy somewhere!!!

I hate him

JMHO
fran

Fran..........something was definitely going on when Sharon called the Peterson home. The time line for that morning and early afternoon is as follows (times approximate):

9:30am - Sharon leaves to run a few errands - Stacy's car in driveway.

10:15am - Stacy in bed on cell phone with Bruce talking about plans for painting.

11:30am - Sharon returns home - Stacy's car is gone.

12:00pm - Sharon calls Peterson home - Christopher hemmed and hawed on phone, DP takes phone and says Stacy went to her grandfathers.

1:00pm - DP takes children to Sharon's house and asks her to babysit for a few minutes. He's only gone for about 15 minutes.

The last time anyone outside the Peterson house saw or talked to Stacy was at 10:15am when she was on the phone with Bruce. But, Christopher's hemming and hawing on the telephone with Sharon at noon suggests that something had happened in that house between 10:30am and noon.

My comments on the fact in blue..................

This is where the waters get muddy. According to media reports, when police investigated, cadaver dogs hit on the master bedroom, Stacy's car, and the pond on the property at Clow airport, just around the corner and within walking distance of the Peterson home. This suggests that Stacy was killed in the Peterson home and her body was in her car at some point, and that there is death evidence in the pond.

Stacy's car was in the driveway at 9:30am when Sharon left to run errands, but was gone when she returned at approximately 11:30am. When was the car moved and who moved it? I think DP moved Stacy's car to Clow airport and walked home shortly after he killer her. It backed up his story that she left and went to her grandfather's.

Tom Morphey reported to his friend, Walter, and to his brother, John, that he helped DP move a heavy rectangular container that felt warm to the touch, from the master bedroom to DP's Denali about 9:30pm that Sunday night. This suggests that Stacy was in that container that Tom Morphey moved. But, if so, why did the cadaver dogs hit on Stacy's car and the pond at Clow airport?

The puzzle is..........why did the cadaver dogs hit on the master bedroom, Stacy's car, and the pond at Clow airport? If she was killed in the master bedroom and was taken from there to DP's Denali in a rectangular container that Tom Morphey moved, the cadaver dogs should have hit on DP's Denali, not Stacy's car.

Another puzzle.........if Stacy was killed in the master bedroom between 10:30am and noon, is it possible that her body would still be warm at 9:30 pm that night when Tom Morphey reported that the container felt warm to the touch? Was she unconscious but still alive?

Yet another piece of the puzzle..........could DP have moved Stacy's body from the master bedroom to her car immediately after killing her and moved Stacy's car to Clow airport? This would have accounted for cadaver dogs hitting on Stacy's car, but then what was in that container that Tom Morphey helped move?

 

[DeltaDawn]

Leila, All very good questions..the answer lies with Drew or his sons who were at home at the time of the arument, when Sharon called, when Tom was there helping move the container and when Sandra arrived. I think the boys know more then they have said..or it wasn't taken under oath in the beginning.

 

[Littledeer]

Can someone point me the way to finding out when the current jury's term expires? I know it is this month.............

TIA!!!!

 

[curiositycat]

Drew Peterson did say that the last time he heard from SP was @ 9PM Sunday evening in a phone call.
I remember in the beginning of this case that someone claimed that he had received a call that evening from SP's cellphone. I will look for a link. It appeared to be "set up"
Sharon sees SP car at 9:30AM. Cassandra speaks to SP at 10AM. Bruce says he is on the phone with SP at 10:15 and she is still in bed. Sharon returns at 11:30 SP car is gone.
That would mean at mid morning on a Sunday within an hour roughly, DP killed SP in that home with four young children, who must have been wanting breakfast.
It makes no sense.
I think she left the home. One of the children supposedly said "Stacy and Dad had a fight and she left."
The idea of him moving a body to a pond on a Sunday morning would be risky to say the least.
I still think she left in that car and was killed somewhere else.
The blood the cadaver dogs hit on may have been blood from her clothes and his clothes or both. I think that the blue barrel may have contained clothing, evidence, anything that might implicate DP. When Chemicals are added to water they often heat up and "burn" things. That would have caused the heaviness in the barrel.
I can see why Greta is so obsessed with the timeline. It makes no sense.
I wonder if "by any chance" SP was in trouble when she spoke with Bruce and Cassandra and was coached by DP as to what to say? I hope that phone records can prove that SP was in the house when she spoke to them.
This thing is so complex at times!

 

[Always Solvable]

Drew Peterson did say that the last time he heard from SP was @ 9PM Sunday evening in a phone call.
I remember in the beginning of this case that someone claimed that he had received a call that evening from SP's cellphone. I will look for a link. It appeared to be "set up"
Sharon sees SP car at 9:30AM. Cassandra speaks to SP at 10AM. Bruce says he is on the phone with SP at 10:15 and she is still in bed. Sharon returns at 11:30 SP car is gone.
That would mean at mid morning on a Sunday within an hour roughly, DP killed SP in that home with four young children, who must have been wanting breakfast.
It makes no sense.
I think she left the home. One of the children supposedly said "Stacy and Dad had a fight and she left."
The idea of him moving a body to a pond on a Sunday morning would be risky to say the least.
I still think she left in that car and was killed somewhere else.
The blood the cadaver dogs hit on may have been blood from her clothes and his clothes or both. I think that the blue barrel may have contained clothing, evidence, anything that might implicate DP. When Chemicals are added to water they often heat up and "burn" things. That would have caused the heaviness in the barrel.
I can see why Greta is so obsessed with the timeline. It makes no sense.
I wonder if "by any chance" SP was in trouble when she spoke with Bruce and Cassandra and was coached by DP as to what to say? I hope that phone records can prove that SP was in the house when she spoke to them.
This thing is so complex at times!

I remember that also. I also believe I saw a Greta show where a male (can't remember his name) said that Drew asked him to hold onto the phone for awhile and Drew left and then called that cell phone which was believed to be Stacy's.

 

[Littledeer]

I remember that also. I also believe I saw a Greta show where a male (can't remember his name) said that Drew asked him to hold onto the phone for awhile and Drew left and then called that cell phone which was believed to be Stacy's.

DP and Tom Morphey were together and supposedly DP gave Tom a cell phone and told him not to answer it if it rang. DP then left. The cell phone rang and Tom saw it was from Stacy. Supposedly he did not answer the call. Belief is that this call was made by DP................

Is this what you are referring to??????

 

[curiositycat]

DP and Tom Morphey were together and supposedly DP gave Tom a cell phone and told him not to answer it if it rang. DP then left. The cell phone rang and Tom saw it was from Stacy. Supposedly he did not answer the call. Belief is that this call was made by DP................

Is this what you are referring to??????

Yes, thank you. I thought it was TM but I didn't have any proof or a link and so I hesitated.
Thank you LD!

 

[thesleuther]

You know it could have been a combination of the two. He may have struck her and her head struck the edge of the nightstand, rendering her unconscious. Then he realized she was never going to agree to stay with him now and he suffocated her to finish the job.

Always my thought. With his background, he would have known how to render her unconscious. Smothering then would be easy. Also with the children in the house, I suspect there wasn't a lot of noise. (Remember, Mom & Dad arguing and then it got real quiet?) Also with the nightstand missing, it has to be involved in the crime. He got rid of it in order to dispose of evidence. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

 

[Leila]

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[Niner]

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WOW! Have they found her yet?? any news on the workers starting their job?? Sandra DID say Stacy would be found by a worker!! This sounds promising!

 

[Leila]

WOW! Have they found her yet?? any news on the workers starting their job?? Sandra DID say Stacy would be found by a worker!! This sounds promising!

I was surprised to see that work notice. It would be an opportune time to search that area with the barge traffic stopped. I haven't heard any updates, but when I saw that DP was arrested yesterday, and before we knew on what charges, I thought perhaps she had been found.

 

[Niner]

I was surprised to see that work notice. It would be an opportune time to search that area with the barge traffic stopped. I haven't heard any updates, but when I saw that DP was arrested yesterday, and before we knew on what charges, I thought perhaps she had been found.

I thought so too Leila! I thought they had found Stacy and THAT is why they arrested DP... oh well... Will pray one of those workers finds Stacy!!!!

 

[DeltaDawn]

Since they are back searching the water again in the new boat, they are near the area of Romeville and Joliet, is that anywhere near Dresden Locks?