Found Deceased SC - Brittanee Drexel, 17, Myrtle Beach, 25 April 2009 - #7

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  • #661
You know...when this story broke about BD, LE gave a set of times. Then the times were changed of her entering/leaving BWR. Those later times made better sense and made the time line flow a bit better.

But then you've got PB & his lawyer stating the earlier times, and the actual vid's show the earlier times.

There has been lots of confusion regarding when she arrived/left.

If/when i get to talk to the PI, I will ask if he can clarify these details and help us form an accurate timeline.

If it turns out that there was an entire hour between her on camera and her texts to jg and whoever else, we can all but eliminate stranger abduction...

The fact that the media has misreported details is hindering us from getting the whole story. sucks.. but what can you do?!
 
  • #662
You know...when this story broke about BD, LE gave a set of times. Then the times were changed of her entering/leaving BWR. Those later times made better sense and made the time line flow a bit better.

But then you've got PB & his lawyer stating the earlier times, and the actual vid's show the earlier times.

There has been lots of confusion regarding when she arrived/left.

I just had a thought. I wonder if the times on the surveillence vid had been set ahead and hour for DST. I can't recall the case that I read about this happening, but it did cause confusion on the time line.

I also question Britt getting a ride with a stranger. For one thing, the traffic is heavy and many times at a standstill during spring break. It just seems it would be faster for her to walk back to the girls room to return the shorts.

MOO

wm
 
  • #663
I had thought that same thing too...And still believe that is very plausible.

But we have PB & his lawyer and the statements from JO locking into certain timeframes. PB states he and the guys were watching a baseball (I believe) game. This game ended at 8:20 - per someone over on the FB Britt board. PB & his lawyer also stated that BD was in PB's room around 8:00 and that she was only there for 10 minutes (according to various media reports).

From the Dr. Phil transcripts:
“First of all, I did talk to Brittanee about why she was walking the strip by herself, and earlier that day she said, ‘Oh, for the last three nights, I walked by myself. It doesn’t bother me. I’m fine,’” Peter recalls. “Second of all, when she left our hotel, the sun was still up. I offered her a ride, and she was like, ‘No, no, it’s OK. It's OK.’ She acted like there was no worry at all for her to walk all the way back again.”

I can say with all honesty - at 8:05 I was on the beach at MB searching for shark teeth with a family friend. There was minimal lighting from the sky - I know, because we couldn't see the shapes too good in the sand and we decided to go back inside.
 
  • #664
Just had an email from a friend who has asked me several questions regarding the UO/VN situation that allegedly occured on 4/25 on the strip.

Allegedly these 2 were ticketed/arrested and taken to the MBPD for loud music sometime later in the day or early evening of 4/25.

No records have been found for this event happening. There are no tickets/arrest showing for either of these guys (nor any of the rest of those at MB) according to the MB court web-site.

My friend asked the following questions:
has anyone ever put together, what time the call from JO came, and the time that JO arrived at the police station? is her time from that call to the time she arrived at the station accounted for? how far away were they from the police station? would JO have to pass the way of PB's hotel to get to station?
 
  • #665
Thanks MBLover. I joined this thread only recently and am not up to snuff on all the details. (but have read here since Britt's disappearance, just haven't participated much) You and RoseC are such an asset to this thread for Britt with your 'local' information.

There's no way the sun would be up at 8:05 in April.........in June, yes...April, no.

wm
 
  • #666
Thanks MBLover. I joined this thread only recently and am not up to snuff on all the details. (but have read here since Britt's disappearance, just haven't participated much) You and RoseC are such an asset to this thread for Britt with your 'local' information.

There's no way the sun would be up at 8:05 in April.........in June, yes...April, no.

wm

Now if he said he was looking for sea glass..I might believe him. lol
 
  • #667
I can say with all honesty - at 8:05 I was on the beach at MB searching for shark teeth with a family friend. There was minimal lighting from the sky - I know, because we couldn't see the shapes too good in the sand and we decided to go back inside.

I wasn't real clear on that... Sorry. This was me that was doing the searching for shark teeth. I was trying to give a reference on the time - I was actually there at MB on 4/25.
 
  • #668
OT chesterp can spot a sharks tooth from a mile away during the daylight, not sure about dusk, LOL. I've never seen anyone find so many in one day! I AM SURE she is an asset to the searches she participates in. She has eyes like a hawk!:dance:
 
  • #669
OT chesterp can spot a sharks tooth from a mile away during the daylight, not sure about dusk, LOL. I've never seen anyone find so many in one day! I AM SURE she is an asset to the searches she participates in. She has eyes like a hawk!:dance:

Me too! In the last 5 years I have been going back to MB I have found over 4,000 shark teeth!
 
  • #670
I also question Britt getting a ride with a stranger. For one thing, the traffic is heavy and many times at a standstill during spring break. It just seems it would be faster for her to walk back to the girls room to return the shorts.

MOO

wm

WM... Just re-reading the posts.

Let me see if I can provide some info for you on the traffic situation.

Yes, it was Spring Break - but it was ending...basically the last evening of SB. And it's quite possible that a lot of kids had already headed for home on Sat. (instead of trying to get thru Sun. traffic - especially if they had a long drive ahead of them).

My Mom, grandson and I arrived mid afternoon in MB on 4/25. Mom's neighbors were there, having arrived a couple days before we did. Roughly - around 6:00 PM we drove down OB (Ocean Blvd) to a restaurant (Damon's) for dinner.

From our hotel to Damon's we had to pass the BH and the BWR - Damon's is several hotels/resorts past BWR. We were driving fairly slow (speed limit for the most part of OB is 25 mph), checking out the new hotels/resorts and of course people watching as we went.

This area is quite a ways up from what is called "downtown" where the Ripley's museum/Gay Dolphin Gift Shop/old boardwalk/old Pavilion was located. So BD wasn't in the "thick" of things as far as foot traffic.

We noticed that there were not a lot of Spring Breaker's out walking or driving for that matter. Dinner? Getting ready for the night? About the most foot traffic we saw was right around the newer amusement park that is just a block or two up from BH.

Around 7:30 we drove the couple miles back to our hotel back down OB. Once again checking out the sites and driving slowly. There was still a lot of daylight and once again - for it to be Spring Break we were somewhat puzzled at the lack of foot traffic - but it being so far removed from the "downtown" area...we later thought that may have been the reason. And possibly some of those newer resorts had their own "club type" atmosphere - people really didn't need to leave their hotel/resort to party.

So it wasn't hustle bustle - IMHO minimal foot traffic and minimal car traffic. Yes, there were some people walking - but the sidewalks were not packed by any means and there wasn't huge groups of people to be seen anywhere along that portion of OB. There was not even a lot of police presence that we saw that evening. Spring break, IMHO had really wound down at that point.
 
  • #671
WM... Just re-reading the posts.

Let me see if I can provide some info for you on the traffic situation.

Yes, it was Spring Break - but it was ending...basically the last evening of SB. And it's quite possible that a lot of kids had already headed for home on Sat. (instead of trying to get thru Sun. traffic - especially if they had a long drive ahead of them).

My Mom, grandson and I arrived mid afternoon in MB on 4/25. Mom's neighbors were there, having arrived a couple days before we did. Roughly - around 6:00 PM we drove down OB (Ocean Blvd) to a restaurant (Damon's) for dinner.

From our hotel to Damon's we had to pass the BH and the BWR - Damon's is several hotels/resorts past BWR. We were driving fairly slow (speed limit for the most part of OB is 25 mph), checking out the new hotels/resorts and of course people watching as we went.

This area is quite a ways up from what is called "downtown" where the Ripley's museum/Gay Dolphin Gift Shop/old boardwalk/old Pavilion was located. So BD wasn't in the "thick" of things as far as foot traffic.

We noticed that there were not a lot of Spring Breaker's out walking or driving for that matter. Dinner? Getting ready for the night? About the most foot traffic we saw was right around the newer amusement park that is just a block or two up from BH.

Around 7:30 we drove the couple miles back to our hotel back down OB. Once again checking out the sites and driving slowly. There was still a lot of daylight and once again - for it to be Spring Break we were somewhat puzzled at the lack of foot traffic - but it being so far removed from the "downtown" area...we later thought that may have been the reason. And possibly some of those newer resorts had their own "club type" atmosphere - people really didn't need to leave their hotel/resort to party.

So it wasn't hustle bustle - IMHO minimal foot traffic and minimal car traffic. Yes, there were some people walking - but the sidewalks were not packed by any means and there wasn't huge groups of people to be seen anywhere along that portion of OB. There was not even a lot of police presence that we saw that evening. Spring break, IMHO had really wound down at that point.

Thanks MBL, Here's what I infer from your knowledgeable post. Britt was more at risk of a stranger abduction in this area due to it being more isolated. Gosh I wish I could afford to rent one of those mobile billboards (like GA had with Caylee's pic) with Britt's pic and just drive around MB the whole week.

I tend to lean towards a stranger abduction by a local (outskirts of MB who works there) who saw a small beautiful young lady in a vulnerable situation and snatched her. Considering her size it wouldn't be hard for a perp to do, and quickly. (Poor little Somer was snatched just moments before her siblings walked by the perps house)

Like Matt said, she was feeling rejection from her group and I feel she put herself in a dangerous situation by trying to be strong and independent from these people. My question is, why did this group of OLDER 'friends' want young Britt tagging along with them in the first place. It had to be an inconvenience for them to have a 'noticably' younger girl with them. Meaning, the clubs 'card' the patrons and having young looking Britt along would just call attention to the group and increase the chances of them all being carded. So why did this group of 'young adults' agree to let an underage girl without parental permission to join them on the trip?

Why was Britt so he!! bent on going on this trip with these people?

This case is maddening isn't it? All MOO

wm
 
  • #672
Am signing off for awhile to enjoy the nice day. BBL. Hope you all have a nice Sunday!
 
  • #673
I got a few questions on this from start of BD and DD fussing over the spring break trip?
First what day was that on?
When did she leave NY with friends for MB?
Didnt DD talk with her any in between the day the fussed and that Saturday?
Ive read nowhere in LE reports/tv/newspapers on who was friend she went stay with to **cool off being mad at mom for not getting to go to mb?
Also in beginning didnt we hear a story about dd called ask bd where she was,and a man played dad part ? see alot was said at first few days,then all that was hush-hush,,,i do know that Jo did talk police that sunday,not sure on AL ? but no others was talk to from reports,guys PB gang was talk to briefy by phone,,,and i do no on sunday /monday that certain areas in MB,till Gtown was search,im thinking thats where her 9:15 ping was they search old airforce base going out of MB several empty anbandon land areas,but that was all did first week of searching,,,i think it be great if we could get a TV show ,to call ask all them to talk on this,(pb gang Britt gang) be very inerseting to see how many of them would talk on tv show?
But again just my 2 cents,i think we may need go back to nite mom/bd fussed start over our steps!!
 
  • #674
Thanks MBL, Here's what I infer from your knowledgeable post. Britt was more at risk of a stranger abduction in this area due to it being more isolated. Gosh I wish I could afford to rent one of those mobile billboards (like GA had with Caylee's pic) with Britt's pic and just drive around MB the whole week.

I tend to lean towards a stranger abduction by a local (outskirts of MB who works there) who saw a small beautiful young lady in a vulnerable situation and snatched her. Considering her size it wouldn't be hard for a perp to do, and quickly. (Poor little Somer was snatched just moments before her siblings walked by the perps house)

Like Matt said, she was feeling rejection from her group and I feel she put herself in a dangerous situation by trying to be strong and independent from these people. My question is, why did this group of OLDER 'friends' want young Britt tagging along with them in the first place. It had to be an inconvenience for them to have a 'noticably' younger girl with them. Meaning, the clubs 'card' the patrons and having young looking Britt along would just call attention to the group and increase the chances of them all being carded. So why did this group of 'young adults' agree to let an underage girl without parental permission to join them on the trip?

Why was Britt so he!! bent on going on this trip with these people?

This case is maddening isn't it? All MOO

wm

WM - I have leaned very heavily on stranger abduction...then again...because so many actions were hinky on the part of the friends...that I go back to them... It's been a back and forth game almost since day one.

If you do the google or bing "walk" you can see that there are a couple of hotels/resorts that have garages that have entrances/exits at the street. As well as a few places that have large amounts of shrubbery. Those garages, I would hope have security cams...but you never know... Those garages, even though well lit for the most part still bother me.

I would think that it would make it possible for someone to feign illness/injury to lure someone into the garage - which would possibly make it out of view for people on the street.

The problem is - that I am unsure how far any of these garages would be (minute/distance - walking wise from BWR). How many of these places could BD have reached by foot before encountering the first street cam that she was not picked up on? - Since that is how LE says they know she went missing within the first 7 minutes of exiting BWR.

I also believe that it could have been very easily for someone to have been following BD while she was there - still though this would have had to have been someone local or someone who was a former resident or someone who vacationed here more than 1 or 2 times a year.

I think it's very plausible that BD was at Club K...made it known to a few people she was down there without her parents knowing where she was - this would definitely give someone the idea...well hey...she's here...we can see her friends don't give a rat's a$$...she's several states away from home...her parents don't know...etc. I think she was very much a victim of opportunity - however this went down.

I'm sure in some ways BD was a great hinderance to those she came with and met up with... What you mention, I brought up a long time ago over on the FB Brittanee board. She is 17...maybe had a fake ID...and that's how she got into Club K (but who really knows for sure)... But she's with people who would have no problem in getting into an 18 and over club.

If Club K had been compliant with the law and had been strict - BD would have never gotten into this club...then what were her friends going to do with her? Would she have been reduced to sitting in a car all alone while waiting for her friends to finish partying for the night?

These folks had nothing in common with BD...and that's evident because it was stated by JO that BD wasn't spending her time with them...and PB says she wasn't with him.

So really - if both of their accounts are true...then who was BD spending her time with? Could it have been this possible "stranger" who she met somewhere along the way? Would this be why she was willing to hop into a vehicle (if that's actually what happened)?

Rose touched on something as well - exactly when did BD arrive in MB? Was the arrival on Wed. evening or not until sometime in the wee hours of Thurs. morning? It would be nice to know exactly when this group checked into BH.

There could be 1 possible reason why BD seemed to he77 bent on getting to MB - It's been said that BD had a crush on PB and it's possible that she knew of his plans to be in MB. This may or may not be true so I don't want to pass this off as fact - but it did come from a reliable source.

I apologize for the long posts today... I'm very passionate about finding out what happened to BD. I've never met this child...but feel like I've known her forever.
 
  • #675
If Club K had been compliant with the law and had been strict - BD would have never gotten into this club...then what were her friends going to do with her? Would she have been reduced to sitting in a car all alone while waiting for her friends to finish partying for the night?

I apologize for the long posts today... I'm very passionate about finding out what happened to BD. I've never met this child...but feel like I've known her forever.

Are we sure this was a 21+ club? Or was it 18 and up? if it was 18 and up, i would not see it as too big of a deal for a 17 year old to get in. Its still against the rules, but maybe a lesser evil than her getting into a 21+ joint.

I, for one, love your long posts, mbl!! You are very intelligent, well-versed on the details of this case, and you are very articulate... All of that PLUS your posts are easily undestood. I always look forward to reading your thoughts and opinions.

I feel like i am part of a little family here... You people are awesome! makes me all warm and fuzzy..
 
  • #676
Thanks for your kind comments ML! Much appreciated!

Club K is an 18+ club. Yeah...she's 17 and was about 6 months shy of 18...probably not such a big deal since she seemed to be able to get into the clubs in ROC - according to some posts and pics that I've seen.

However - just pointing out...if Club K had adhered to the law BD would have never been allowed in - and if that had happened...what where her friends going to do?

For whatever reason JO, AL & PO had...they took BD along. Maybe they felt sorry for her, IDK. Maybe they thought she was a cool kid (which I'm sure BD is)... But what did they really have in common with her? They were able to do things that she might not have been able to do.

She was like the 5th wheel. AL was hooked up with PO (JO's brother) and JO was hooked up with UO (although he was in another hotel - Boardwalk). BD was with no one.

By JO's admission BD wasn't hanging with them - yet we have seen them in pics that appear they were dressed to go out somewhere for the evening. And we've seen pics of them on the beach. And JO stated in an article that they didn't worry too much when BD was supposedly missing because she would show up at 2 or 3 in the morning.

So BD was spending some time with the group she came with obviously - but yet it seems they wanted to greatly distance them selves from her - especially after it was known she was possibly missing. They stayed at the Boardwalk that night - not returning to their hotel room until sometime the next day - after LE arrived and checked the room, but before checkout time (which was 11 AM) and they tried to pin BD's away time from them on PB.

PB readily admits to BD visiting him (and the other guys) on the beach on Sat. around noon. He also admits to her being there in their room around 8 PM. If this be the only 2 times she was with PB (besides seeing him at Club K - girls say Thurs. night - PB says Fri. night) then when did she leave the red flipflops (as PB described them) in his room? Did BD stay with PB on either Thurs. or Fri. night? Wouldn't one realize that one left their shoes - since they would be barefoot?

What would account for one leaving a place shoeless? Intoxicated?

And why would any of them take the chance on being busted as drunk in public or DUI and have an underage person who could be intoxicated along with them?

Lots of questions that we will probably never have the answer to. I would hope that LE reviewed all of BWR's security tapes to see exactly how many times BD entered and exited that resort. That could help to back up PB's story on BD's time spent with him/them - or it could add to what JO said as being true.

I think Rose has a good idea about starting back at the very beginning - with the hours before BD leaves NY.
 
  • #677
I had thought that same thing too...And still believe that is very plausible.

But we have PB & his lawyer and the statements from JO locking into certain timeframes. PB states he and the guys were watching a baseball (I believe) game. This game ended at 8:20 - per someone over on the FB Britt board. PB & his lawyer also stated that BD was in PB's room around 8:00 and that she was only there for 10 minutes (according to various media reports).

From the Dr. Phil transcripts:
“First of all, I did talk to Brittanee about why she was walking the strip by herself, and earlier that day she said, ‘Oh, for the last three nights, I walked by myself. It doesn’t bother me. I’m fine,’” Peter recalls. “Second of all, when she left our hotel, the sun was still up. I offered her a ride, and she was like, ‘No, no, it’s OK. It's OK.’ She acted like there was no worry at all for her to walk all the way back again.”

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneDay.php

U.S. Naval Observatory
Astronomical Applications Department



Sun and Moon Data for One Day
The following information is provided for Myrtle Beach, Horry County, South Carolina (longitude W78.9, latitude N33.7):


Saturday
25 April 2009
Eastern Daylight Time

SUN
Begin civil twilight 6:07 a.m.
Sunrise 6:33 a.m.
Sun transit 1:13 p.m.
Sunset 7:54 p.m.
End civil twilight 8:21 p.m.

MOON
Moonset 7:45 p.m. on preceding day
Moonrise 6:29 a.m.
Moon transit 1:38 p.m.
Moonset 8:56 p.m.
Moonrise 7:13 a.m. on following day

Phase of the Moon on 25 April: waxing crescent with 1% of the Moon's visible disk illuminated.

New Moon on 24 April 2009 at 11:23 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time.
 
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  • #679
well after rereading the little article they sure messed up on Hotel name etc geeze if the info news reports not right how ppl find missing ppl,,,,i see dd threw in sex trafficing thing,,ive been reading on alot of fb pages setup for bd and they all seem be talking to her as they all know shes alive (which a great thing) i just pray soon bd gets justices,found,my heart goes out to BD,,,
 
  • #680
I am hopeful that she is alive but if she was sold into human trafficking lord only knows what she's going thru. I have also wondered if she is possibly 'escorting' somewhere up or down the coast from MB. Most people are probably not as enlightened as sleuths are about Britt's case and appearance. She would need a fake identity which she may have had for admittance to the clubs in MB anyway. Also, it is a 'cash driven' industry and difficult to track.

I wonder about posting Britt's 'missing' flyer on CL on the escort categories. I am not familiar with 'CL' other than I know it's free and local and escort services advertise there.
Does anybody know anything about this? It would certainly be a good way to create awareness for those who use those services. Ya never know, if she's being pimped out, someone who uses such services may recognize her. It's kind of an odd idea I know.....

Please don't flog me if this idea is too out there. And thanks for reading while I type out loud, LOL!

wm
 
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