SC - Columbia - Sheriff Slams Female Student to Floor In Class - #2

[katydid23]

IMO her motives were something along the lines of: Typical American teenager.

Not a typical American Teen at all, imo. I worked in an urban high school for years and it is not typical to react the way she did. Typically teens will mouth off, mutter under their breath, curse etc, but they will leave the class room if asked by the VP.

 

[katydid23]

If you read the post that you wrote, it specifically said that she 'felt' she was being wronged by the teacher. That doesn't mean that she was.

Either way, we have no idea of what happened in the classroom before the incident. So it doesn't mean that she was not wronged by the teacher, either. We just don't know.

Then she should have taken the opportunity to go to the office with the VP and complain about the teacher. How does it help to defy the VP as well?

 

[SophieRose]

We don't have the whole picture regarding any of the people involved... not the teacher, or the VP, or the cop, or the girl, or the other kids in the class.

Hasn't stopped anyone from making conclusions about every single person involved and condemning all of them (and dissenting posters here) but one.

You forgot the other high school students that walked out of class briefly, a poster made a conclusion about them.

 

[kimlynn]

How was she being wronged by the teacher. They were supposed to be doing their math assignments on their computer tablets, but she was looking at her phone. The consequence for that is having your phone taken until class is over. The teacher did not 'wrong' her.

I don't know katydid. I wasn't there to see and hear all the back and forth between the parties. Just trying to view it from her perspective.
The maybe she was is in regard to how the teacher handled it. Maybe it could have been handled differently and in that sense she was wronged. IMO

 

[katydid23]

Is this a test? I pick number 1
I do think the teacher could have handled the situation better.

Maybe he could have. But it is stressful and there are a lot of judgment calls to make while trying to teach math to a class full of teens. Maybe it didn't go as well as he planned. But I am sure he has dealt with defiance and stubbornness before. But something about this situation made him feel it was necessary to call in the VP. I wonder why.

 

[SophieRose]

How was she being wronged by the teacher. They were supposed to be doing their math assignments on their computer tablets, but she was looking at her phone. The consequence for that is having your phone taken until class is over. The teacher did not 'wrong' her.

Senior year is not far from a job or college, where there are rules. I'm getting the feeling that many here think rules are made to be broken.

 

[katydid23]

I don't know katydid. I wasn't there to see and hear all the back and forth between the parties. Just trying to view it from her perspective.
The maybe she was is in regard to how the teacher handled it. Maybe it could have been handled differently and in that sense she was wronged. IMO

Well, if you view it from her perspective then everyone else was WRONG. And sure, the teacher was making a judgment call and it did not have a successful outcome.

But it is hard to believe that the student was super apologetic and easy going if the experienced math teacher felt compelled to call the vice principal. That is not something that is done lightly. And the vice principals entire job revolves around students and discipline and being able to handle them and communicate with them. What was it with this student that made him call in the Officer?

 

[bluesneakers]

I don't know katydid. I wasn't there to see and hear all the back and forth between the parties. Just trying to view it from her perspective.
The maybe she was is in regard to how the teacher handled it. Maybe it could have been handled differently and in that sense she was wronged. IMO

Maybe other kids had been looking at their cell phones and she felt singled out.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I've read some posts today that mention beatings and choking. I watched the videos on this incident and I didn't see any beatings or choking being done.

JMO

 

[kimlynn]

Well, if you view it from her perspective then everyone else was WRONG. And sure, the teacher was making a judgment call and it did not have a successful outcome.

But it is hard to believe that the student was super apologetic and easy going if the experienced math teacher felt compelled to call the vice principal. That is not something that is done lightly. And the vice principals entire job revolves around students and discipline and being able to handle them and communicate with them. What was it with this student that made him call in the Officer?

According to the two students that spoke to the media she was quiet in class and during the incident was apologetic. I haven't heard otherwise from any other students or staff.

 

[katydid23]

A lot of you are talking about your perspectives from being rebellious teens. With that in mind, I can see why some see her as a sympathetic victim. I am looking at this from my years working in the principals office of a large urban high school. So I look back at my experiences with disruptive, defiant students and I feel sorry for the teachers/admins/officers, not the defiant student. I saw many of the students as spoiled, entitled, selfish bullies. JMO

 

[katydid23]

According to the two students that spoke to the media she was quiet in class and during the incident was apologetic. I haven't heard otherwise from any other students or staff.

If that was all there was to the story, they would not have called the Deputy.

 

[katydid23]

Maybe other kids had been looking at their cell phones and she felt singled out.

That's how I felt when I got my speeding ticket. But oh well, I still signed it. Am I going to be defiant and refuse to roll down my window and show my paperwork because the others were not caught speeding to?

 

[desertmama]

Maybe other kids had been looking at their cell phones and she felt singled out.

Well, obviously there were at least two, maybe three, who pulled put there phones to record and as far as we know, nothing happened to them.

 

[kimlynn]

If that was all there was to the story, they would not have called the Deputy.

So you think the two students are telling fibs? One student was so upset she risked her safety to speak out. IMO

 

[bluesneakers]

Well, obviously there were at least two, maybe three, who pulled put there phones to record and as far as we know, nothing happened to them.

One of the girls was arrested too, but I think it was for more than just filming the incident. The other students had their phones on them and ready to go. Good thing.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

If that was all there was to the story, they would not have called the Deputy.

The facts of this case make me doubt that the student was apologetic during the incident.

What constitutes being "quite"? Not screaming at the top of her lungs?

JMO

 

[kimlynn]

A lot of you are talking about your perspectives from being rebellious teens. With that in mind, I can see why some see her as a sympathetic victim. I am looking at this from my years working in the principals office of a large urban high school. So I look back at my experiences with disruptive, defiant students and I feel sorry for the teachers/admins/officers, not the defiant student. I saw many of the students as spoiled, entitled, selfish bullies. JMO

I'm sympathetic due to the actions of the officer. I can identify with her because I understand standing up for what you THINK is right.
It's a shame you feel that way about youths.
I have a background in working with troubled youths and I can't say as I ever felt those feeling about them.
IMO

 

[katydid23]

So you think the two students are telling fibs? One student was so upset she risked her safety to speak out. IMO

Did I say they were telling fibs? I said there was likely more to the story if the teacher was upset enough to call HIS BOSS into the classroom. I worked in a high school. The admins do not like to get those calls and they frown on it. They expect the teachers to handle their students.

So if this was a quiet pleasant , apologetic student, the teacher would not have called the VP in.

 

[Hope4More]

Are you suggesting that one person has not been the subject of condemnation from anyone? If so, I'm guessing you mean the student, and I completely disagree.

You disagree as in you think her behavior was unacceptable?