SC - Columbia - Sheriff Slams Female Student to Floor In Class - #2

[kimlynn]

Yes, I was misquoted and wrongly linked as well....

I'll view it as a misunderstanding this time.....but don't make me come in there. lol

Lest anyone hit the button I'm KIDDING.

IMO

 

[vestigare]

Well, I'd be interested in watching a case like that play out. The offending bystander was an underaged child, on school property, in a classroom, and was disturbing the classroom with her dismay. Under SC law, she was in fact obligated to obey the police officer, or be subject to arrest for disruption. There are no clauses in related SC code that make exceptions for students who object to what the cop was doing.

A cop cannot order an adult bystander on the street to pipe down, no. Can an SRO arrest a teacher for protesting the manhandling of a student? Hmm.

The offender (the second girl arrested) was 18 in this case we are discussing. It matters not the age of the person you are protesting the treatment of.
Yes, anyone can arrest someone for manhandling someone else. Cops are not the only one with the power of arrest.

 

[vestigare]

I'll view it as a misunderstanding this time.....but don't make me come in there. lol

Lest anyone hit the button I'm KIDDING.

IMO

I think it was failure to actually comprehend and readiness to assume.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Lol. She should sue the school for allowing other students to use their cell phones?

Lmao. You just made me chuckle. I didn't see that one coming. Lol. You got me.

 

[bluesneakers]

I have seen classroom models (in middle school) where at the start of the year, the students are given the task of coming up with a list of rules for their classroom. They spitball, debate, refine and eventually come up with a set of standards they agree to live by.

I wish I had had such an experience! I thought is was AMAZING!

Also, if you have never read about the World Peace Game designed by teacher John Hunter, it is amazing.
http://www.worldpeacegame.org/world-peacegame-foundation/about-the-game

In one of my high school government classes we did this. At first we were given a "Free for All" like what's the craziest most outlandish behavior we should allow in class? Making out, smoking, taking naps, listening to the radio, etc. it went on and on and then by the time we came up with the real list we felt like grown ups in charge of our own space. We also didn't feel like nerds, which is what I suspect we would have felt like coming up with a proper behavior list otherwise.

I will check out the link. Thanks.

 

[K_Z]

You are probably right. But here is why I have a problem with removing the others. IMO, once we start 'teaching' the students that if they are rude and defiant, then they can clear an entire room, and the powers that be will come in and negotiate with them, we will have a troubling trend. IMO, it will create a lot more of these types of situations. Is there a big test that day? Let's just be defiant and clear the room. Then they will come and deescalate the situation, reason with me, and class time is over.

IMO, it gives too much power over to the defiant student. they suddenly have the power to make evryone else leave the room, make the teacher stop the lesson, make the admins come running....that could be a very dangerous precedent to start on a campus, imo.

Really excellent points, katydid. Kids who knew that was the procedure WOULD likely manipulate classes on test days, etc with a "faux display of defiance" to get the classroom cleared and the test delayed.

What comes to mind is a well-discussed set of serious consequences that would be employed against any perpetrators. And the consequences actually carried out. That might be a deterrent-- maybe, but maybe not.

 

[kimlynn]

I think it was failure to actually comprehend and readiness to assume.

Probably.

 

[Hope4More]

Just an estimate going by the number in our high school classes. Most classes are full because they do not hire a teacher unless there is a full class needed.


http://laschoolreport.com/cortines-utla-class-size-reduction-lausd-priority/


Approximately 60 algebra classes — including algebra 1A through algebra 2 — enroll more than 40 students, 30 algebra classes have 46 to 49 students, and six have between 51 and 65. Foshay Learning Center has one class of 71 students.

Math classes with over 30, 40, 50, 60 kids??? That's insane.

 

[vestigare]

Lol. She should sue the school for allowing other students to use their cell phones?

In fact part of the civil rights violation being investigated might be because she was singled out when other students under similar circumstances were not treated the same way for the same infraction.

 

[katydid23]

At that school? Really? Do you have a link? I never heard of that.

It is in our school district. But maybe it is not in SC. The reasoning is that there are grade books, private papers etc in the room that students should not have access to. Also they could tamper with something. Like in chemistry classes for example and that could be dangerous. So our teachers were required to kick all students out of their rooms if they needed to step away from the classroom. They did not always do so though.

 

[SophieRose]

I agree respect has to be earned, but that's different than saying obeying authority is optional in that situation. It is not.

I wonder though, if part of what happened was a cultural clash. The school is in a middle class district as a whole, but the student population may not be, demographically. Or, may be but the girl was new and may have come from a different environment altogether.

I've spoken many times with an acquaintance who is a cop in the very violent city where I live. I've been amazed by what he's said about the culture he must deal with successfully to stay alive and to not use force unnecessarily.

Example. He's about to arrest a 20 something black youth for (robbery or home invasion or drug dealing or discharging a gun unlawfully). What the kid cares most about at that moment is not the fact he's about to be arrested, but that the cop treats him with respect. That the cop doesn't diss him. He can arrest him, put on the cuffs, haul him away, but all hell will break loose if the cop insults him or doesn't abide by the street definition of respect.

Maybe, just as a perhaps, the stakes for the girl weren't about the phone or detention or anything other than her perception she wasn't being treated with the respect she felt she was owed.

Here's a little more about the school.

http://www.usnews.com/education/bes...land-02/spring-valley-high-17710/student-body

Economically Disadvantaged Students

These are the percentages of the school's students eligible for free or reduced-price lunch, based on data reported to the government.

Free Lunch Program (% of total) 28%
Reduced-Price Lunch Program (% of total) 7%
Total Economically Disadvantaged (% of total) 35%

 

[vestigare]

The teachers are strictly prohibited from leaving a student alone in a classroom.

Link to this particular school or school board that says that.
Not generic school in some other state.

 

[katydid23]

Math classes with over 30, 40, 50, 60 kids??? That's insane.

YEP. It is ridiculous.

 

[magnolia]

Please provide a link to the internal investigation report that states that he beat her and/or choked her.

Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott said an internal investigation over the Monday incident at Spring Valley High School in Columbia focused on whether Senior Deputy Ben Fields had violated the department's policies.

He said at a news conference that the department looked at cellphone videos taken from the classroom and interviews with witnesses, and concluded that the maneuvers he used in the confrontation were "not acceptable."

"From the very beginning that's what's caused me to be upset, and (what) continued to upset me is that he picked the student up and threw the student across the room," Lott said.

South Carolina Deputy Ben Fields Fired After Body Slamming Student: Sheriff

Where is it stated that the girl was beat and/or choked? Beat means to hit repeatedly.

Please post a link to support your statement that the girl was beat and choked.

 

[vestigare]

At that school? Really? Do you have a link? I never heard of that.

Me either. How are students meant to catch up on missed science labs etc if they can't be alone in a room? Is a teacher meant to sit there? Other students meant to chaperone?

 

[Hope4More]

Read the link I posted. They were suspended.



Students in Spring Valley Incident Allowed to Return to Class

Recap:

SRO: Fired
Administrator: Suspended (paid leave).
Teacher: Removed from classroom.
Students: No school discipline. Criminal charges will almost certainly be dropped eventually.

Read earlier posts. Paid leave is standard administrative procedure there during an investigation. Not suspended.

Math teacher isn't teaching that one class but there is no indication he isn't teaching others. Insufficient info to know.

 

[katydid23]

In fact part of the civil rights violation being investigated might be because she was singled out when other students under similar circumstances were not treated the same way for the same infraction.

Why would she be singled out?

 

[katydid23]

Me either. How are students meant to catch up on missed science labs etc if they can't be alone in a room? Is a teacher meant to sit there? Other students meant to chaperone?

If students were allowed to do a science lab on their own, with no adults, you would have a major lawsuit on your hands. Woukd you want your kids alone with the science equipment, the chemicals, the bunson burners etc?

 

[vestigare]

If students were allowed to do a science lab on their own, with no adults, you would have a major lawsuit on your hands. Woukd you want your kids alone with the science equipment, the chemicals, the bunson burners etc?

Maybe you went to a special school but we did lab experiments all the time on our own. We were even encouraged to enter science fairs etc that required independent time in the labs.

 

[KaaBoom]

At that school? Really? Do you have a link? I never heard of that.

I have never heard of that either. I think it is highly unlikely. What if the teacher has to go to the bathroom?